26 November 2012 SPECIAL
Dearborn County Commissioners Meeting Notes
Present: Jeff Hughes, President, Tom Orschell, and Shane
McHenry
Also present: Gayle Pennington, Auditor, Teresa Randall, County
Administrator, and Andy Baudendistel, Attorney.
This meeting was preceded by an executive session to discuss
pending litigation. Commissioners gave the administrator and attorney authority
to respond and see what can be worked out.
The audience had about 20 people in addition to the jail
committee members in attendance.
Terri Randall administrator presented. She went over parts
of the Powerpoint presentation that Rosser presented earlier in November. The
history of the project was outlined showing the original RQAW estimate of 12.8-
14.9 Million for 224 beds. The final 120 bed version was approved at $9.3 million.
Rosser was the approved architect in June 2012.
Commissioners approved the schematic in November 2012.
Terri Randall chaired the jail committee of 13 members. The
committee went out to see other jails to see how they did things. She said they
debated and discussed and it was a very DIVERSE group. [NOTE: This jail committee did not include any outsiders – all were
part of the system- not sure what she means by diverse.] This was one of
the best workgroups she’d been involved with. Many of them decided things they
could do without to keep the cost down. Commissioners’ responsibility is to
have the type of jail we need to protect the public. Council has to decide how
to fund this. Inmate population projections- she decided to get Scott Moore-
from Integrus- that works with Maxwell. She said we hired him independently to go over the numbers. [NOTE: Integrus is part of the project team
so they may have been hired to do numbers in addition to their contract, but
they are not independent of the project.]
Scott Moore – they have been around 50 plus years and have
done 300 plus projects. He was to look over the inmate population
projections. He looked at County
population, Community Correction offenders, Admissions, and average daily population
from the jail. He used IU Kelley school of business for population projections
which shows a 12.63% increase in county population over next 30 years. He
looked at home detention and work release numbers. He looked at the DOC 9 Dept
of Corrections) admissions (state prisons) and these are increasing. He looked
at average daily population and extrapolated at 8% to see that over 400 inmates
would be here by 2035. He thinks 12% and it would be 440 inmates. And he also
added the industry 15% standard to show it would be even higher. He said the
144 bed addition would be full by 2020 in the best case scenario. He went at 8,
12, and 15% growth rates to show all the scenarios. They recommend the 208
additional bed option. He said that in many cases you open a jail and in 6
months you are full.
Hughes said they haven’t looked at the entire justice
system. What is the root cause of our high jail population? No answer.
Rosser’s Mark Van Allen then presented. He noted a couple
words in the mission statement- FLEXIBILITY and the CHANGING Corrections
landscape. The brainstorming that went on resulted in selecting a base option
of 120 beds. They left ¼ of the square in the design out for future expansion.
Filling that square in takes it to 144 beds TOTAL. This would not be filled out
but roughed in for now. They could also add enough in that space to take it to
208 beds TOTAL. Everything is dormitory style around a central control station.
He said they worked thru the sheriff’s staff to get appropriate spaces for
them.
Orschell asked Mark to go over the staffing in this versus
the current staffing needs. Mark Van Allen talked about video conferencing for
visitation to minimize prisoner movement and need less staff. He thinks this
helps not add additional staff along with the central control. They also can
use video arraignment. This also cuts the circulation of prisoners and thus
increases safety for the public. This also cuts transport staff. They have
varying levels of commitment from the judiciary on who will use it and who
won’t. [NOTE: So some of the judges
don’t plan to use an item that reduces staffing? Then what happens- we pay for the
technology and also for the staffing?] JCAP offices are right by the
classrooms and their dorm units. They also have an 8- bed step down unit for
those who have completed the program but haven’t served their time yet. The
central observation has 360 degree view of all prisoners. Only JCAP is remotely
monitored by camera. More options for segregating the men and women now.
Van Allen said the type of beds security-wise cut costs from
the RQAW version. This version keeps 48 beds for work release also by using the
old women’s section.
Budget Summary- Brad- the construction manager from Maxwell
presented the budget scenarios. 120 beds for $9.3 million. 144 beds for $10.4
million. 208 beds for $11.2 million. This builds all the beds out at today’s
prices. [NOTE: There was no mention of
contingencies (percentages allowed for extras and items they might need to change
as they go along) allowed for these scenarios.]
Budget spent so far from 693,940 allocated. 435,665 spent so
far, so 258,275 remains.
These costs include what has already been spent above:
Additional appropriation needed: $8,574,577- for 120 beds. This is the $9.3
million total project cost option.
$9,740,232 for 144 beds with shell for expansion and this
also includes cost of bidding an alternate for the full 208 build out to be
presented for future consideration. This is the $10.4 million total cost
option. [NOTE: This option includes a
SHELL not the cost of the extra beds, furnishings etc for that shell. That will
be MORE.]
Randall said it would be prudent to look at this 144 bed
option and this bidding will happen in the spring.
PUBLIC COMMENT:
Richard Johnston-
76 years old- How many square feet does each prisoner have to have? It’s about
80 square ft- ACA standards for jails per Mark Van Allen. What is the cost per year to operate this
thing? Orschell said that the reports suggest that we could be staff neutral.
Not sure how long this will stand. But what does it cost now? Terri said there
will be additional operating costs for heat lighting etc. She did not ask the
architect etc to project that as she didn’t feel they could trust those numbers
yet. There will be costs for the prisoner’s food etc too. What about using
empty space at Seagram’s etc? Mark Van Allen said the staffing for a separate
facility would be costly and duplicate services and transport. It would be lower
capital costs but increased staff costs.
Judie Howard-
went over the funding and how much had been spent so far for each option. They
said the public doesn’t have to vote if they took it out of gambling revenue.
The $12 million was the cap for that.
Jill Rhoades –
What about the commissioners who will be here after Jan 1. Hughes said they
could do whatever they want after they take office.
Tom Orschell-
gave his history of the jail expansion and his research on this. He talked to
the judges and the drug abuse issues and the crimes associated with these
addictions. Jail overcrowding is very stressful and leads to a more violent
environment. He talked about the laundry etc. He looked over the tri-state
area. Court diversion. Community corrections and alternative sentencing was
used to reduce the jail population. 76 are probation violators and 36 of them
had committed an additional crimes while on probation right now. He has sat
thru JCAP and listened to their stories. They have CASA also. He found a study
on the negative effect on the community from the gambling boat. He could not find
a study of the methadone clinic effect. He found out about the last jail being
built over inmates suing the county. He thinks he has asked every question he
could on this. He said he could not vote on this Nov 7th. He has had
many sessions with Lynch and he said he would support this. He asked Kevin
Lynch- future commissioner D-1 to speak.
Kevin Lynch-
thanked Tom Orschell. He said there is so much better info now on this. He
realizes there is a need for the jail expansion. He praised the committee etc.
It’s a lot of money. To make sure you do it right the first time. I like the
committee’s recommendation of 144 beds with option to increase. He does not
want us to outgrow this jail before its economic life. He thinks they are on
the right track. [NOTE: Lynch received
$2000 for his campaign from American Structurepointe PAC which is joined with
Rosser, Inc on this project.]
Orschell said
that Kevin weighing in on this makes his decision harder. ????
Andy Baudendistel-
as a defense attorney. One of only 15 counties with JCAP and about half have a
drug court program. It is only available to people who live in Dearborn or Ohio
Counties. They are targeting young opiate addicts. This plan allows us to
double our jail chemical addiction program. Community corrections is stretched
to its limits- no bracelets are available some times. [NOTE: Why are the inmates not paying for the ankle bracelets?] He
thinks we are doing everything we can. He has been on drug court for 3 years.
This will only help 48 people on JCAP.
Chris Mueller-brought
up the jail statistics which show that the number of bookings have decreased
since 2005 while the average daily population of the jail has increased and
asked why that would be happening? Baudendistel offered the possibility that
bookings were high from Witte being a judge back then and requiring people
summoned to court to go over and be booked first. Mueller asked when Witte had
left office and they said 2008. That would not explain the pattern completely.
Bonding and defense lawyer timing plus discovery all take time too. The 90-95%
of inmates who plea deal was also discussed- and why would that take so long?
Mueller also asked about the statistics and data collection for the JCAP
program which Baudendistel said had been around for 4 years. Raxpayers are paying to house JCAP inmates and now they are building more space into the jail for more JCAP inmates.McHenry was surprised
JCAP had been around that long. Mueller said that in interviews and debates the only data
offered was letters- and that was not a measure of the program. She went on to
say that if the taxpayers were expected to keep funding this program there
should be data. In a business the board answers to the stockholders (taxpayers
in this case) and they have a right to know how their money is being spent and
what the success rate is on the programs offered. There should be scientific
data on JCAP and alcohol/drug court. And it should have been there from the
start. It takes several years to measure this- but the data should be there for
the first 4 years. We need to have all the parties involved in this from the
judges, prosecutor, jail commander, sheriff, and defense attorneys look at what
they can do to keep that jail from being filled up too fast. We owe it to the taxpayers
who are paying for all of this.
Close Public Comment:
Shane McHenry-
120 beds won’t get the job done. Bandaid. Agrees with the committee on the 144
bed option. He thinks they can solve the problem and have the space IF they
need it in the future. We have been talking about this for almost 2 years. He
agrees with Chris . He praised Tom Orschell and Terri also. McHenry moved to send a recommendation for
the 144 beds. Orschell said with Lynch’s backing he feels he can vote for this
so he seconded it. Two ayes.
Chair votes Nay- Hughes
said he can’t in good conscious vote for this.
Passed to go on to
Council for funding.
Meeting adjourned at 8:05 PM
Christine Brauer Mueller
Lawrenceburg Township
8 comments:
Medical marijuana is now legal in 17 states and outright 'recreational marijuana' was just legalized in Colorado and Washington. The White House signaled they will take a new look at the laws - Eric Holder be damned - and 18 additional states are set to vote on legalization "(in some form) in the coming term.
The writing is on the proverbial wall.
And while it is unclear how many inmates are presently sitting in our local jail for marijuana, in light of the shifting legal landscape, should the prospect of future decriminalization be a consideration when deciding between 120 or 144 beds?
Yes, for the record, this writer has long believed pot should be legal, and that our government should/could benefit from this as a source of revenue.
now ther going to let them out of jail in dearborn county?
Why has the Seagram's building not been explored as an alternative jail?
are you kidding that makes since and saving money
not to defend these guys, but you can't just take any building and make it a jail. have to secure the buildings, make sure it has proper utilities, etc. also helps to be close to courthouse for when they take people for hearings. this wouldn't be as big an issue if the judges would do video arraingments tho
They definitely need that very big expensive new jail for people like me (SARCASM). My daughter was physically and verbally harrassed by some in the county and when I tried to get it stopped, the powers that be wanted to shut me up because some of their kids were involved in the harrassment which included death threats, etc. I was set up by some at the Greendale Police Dept., arrested for supposedly raising my voice, handcuffed, taken to the county jail, was not allowed to make a phone call, and was not allowed out on bond. The next morning my hands and feet were shackled when I had to appear before the judge. The mayor of Greendale told my husband at a later date that I might not have been allowed to make a phone call or let out on bail because one of the Greendale cops was good friends with the head jailer. The same mayor told me at an earlier date that this cop's wife was "out to get me." Since a huge smear job was done on me by some in the Lawrenceburg/Greendale area, there will be some who will ignore my comment. However, I take having my civil rights abused seriously and continue to tell a small part of my story on here from time to time. So, yes indeed, they need that big new jail to lock people up when they want to intimidate someone. Beverly Valentine
Things are not always as they seem, but unprofessionalism and respect for the public appears lacking in a few Sheriff personnel. Have witnessed it. Due to this, and some seeming untruths imparted by a few of them, I would oppose any further jail expansion. They need to clean their own house and assure us of their integrity and management before they expand. A group that does not punish untruthful information and weed bad ones out of the system, makes us question the entire Sheriff's dept. and Courthouse. We have many good officers, but if any of us mention that they were honest and professional and seem to do their job without prejudice I think they might be fired.
the truth will set you free!!!!!told you so
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