The following letter was in answer to the letter posted at the bottom of the most recent DCRSD meeting notes:
July 20,2007
Mr. Matthew P. Zerbe
Attorney at Law
30 East High Street
P.O. Box 4066
Lawrenceburg, IN 47025
Re: SDRSD
Dear Matt:
Thank you for your letter of July 18,2007.
Except by agreement, the South Dearborn Regional Sewer District (SDRSD) cannot legally serve outside the corporate boundaries of Aurora, Greendale and Lawrenceburg. Enclosed is a copy of Court Order entered January 26, 1972, which fixes the boundaries of SDRSD. The area outside those corporate boundaries are served by the Dearborn County Regional Sewer District (DCRSD), other than the private utilities.
13-26-5-7 allows a governmental or private body owning and operating facilities for water supply, sewage or solid waste disposal, recovery or treatment may contract to supply water or treat all or part of the sewage or solid waste of a District. Greendale has offered to enter into a contract with the DCRSD to serve some of the subdivisions in close proximity to Greendale. However, Greendale does not own a treatment plant and, therefore, is not authorized to enter into such a contract. That is why the DCRSD wrote to your client in March seeking this service.
Please reconsider your position. The DCRSD meets on August 2, 2007, and I would appreciate a response before that date.
Very truly yours,
EWBANK & KRAMER
Frank G. Kramer
FGK:nsh
Enclosure
pc: Mr. Jeff Hughes
Mr. Rick Fox
Mr. Ralph Thompson
SDRSD Board Members
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when will they ever learn- when will they e e e ever learn!
DCRSD has no lines (they are giving what they just had installed on Cole Ln. and Stewart Rd. to Aurora) and no capacity to treat, yet they are trying to bar SDRSD from serving customers!! Talk about a power play.
If they can't contract with Greendale how can they contract with Aurora?
Looks like Kramer is mining for a little L. Parvin Price billable hours!!!
What is DCRSD's argument for their position:
"WE CAN DO IT IN A MANNER MORE COSTLY FOR OUR UTILITY CUSTOMERS AND WE CAN SUE MORE OF OUR CUSTOMERS TO HOOK ON TO OUR LINES IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!"
What a bunch of self-serving cretins!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The DCRSD Board cannot be reformed soon enough!
Elections matter!
We need to elect people who will appoint folks who will be looking out for all of us, not like these "conflicted" bastards!
Maybe it's time for someone to go to court and put DCRSD out of business. SDRSD has proven to the county they can get the job done. DCRSD has not. I'm tired of seeing county resources fall into a bottomless pit.
So DCRSD won't let SDRSD expand outside their towns and DCRSD has no capacity anywhere. Kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your phase, as my grandpappy used to say.
How about the SDRSD guaranteeing Fehrman and Maxwell’s developments and Rodney’s trailer park gets next to free sewer?
That is all they want!
That is the ONLY reason they are on the DCRSD’s Board!
Lawyers answering Lawyers...
...while the Tax-payers bleed to death.
As the DCRSD's funding dries up, due to the fact people are waking up to the reality that the Board has proven to be self-serving crooks, where do they expect to find dollars to possibly sue the SDRSD?
Their absolute greed and self-indulgence has left them completely, totally and utterly delusional!
The DCRSD despises the SDRSD because of the SDRSD’s reluctance to permit subdivisions to be built far from existing infrastructure and forcing all homeowners onto sewers (regardless of the costs to the homeowners), between the existing treatment plants and the “far-off” subdivisions.
The SDRSD knows a crook when they see or smell one!
"Home sales still heading south"
For 14th straight month
So, is Dearborn County’s “status quo” problem the cause for this national trend, Mr. Rosenberger?
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/BIZ01/707260325
"Ullrich: Is there resolution on the forced hook-up situation?"
No discussion should take place as to "costs" of so many gallons per minute, without factoring in first the "real costs" of sewer service to those being forced to hook-up, at their own expense.
We also need to factor in the cost of these pumps and their need of replacement in a number of years. Further, the yearly electrical costs to run these pumps must be factored into the "costs" of sewers to the citizen/taxpayers of this County!
These are the "real costs" of sewers for existing homeowners currently on working septic systems!
Do not let these hacks try to suggest otherwise!
And how are we supposed to flush our toliets during electrical outages?
These sewer cheerleaders always seem to gloss over that annoying little fact!
From last County Council Meeting:
Ullrich: "Is there resolution on the forced hook-up situation?"
Kramer: "We need a fund to loan them and then put a lien on houses or taxes to pay it back. Of course there are drawbacks to selling homes then."
Ahh!!!
But who cares if this would make existing homeowners homes impossible to sell, right Frank?
As long as the Fehrmans, Maxwells and the Dennerlines make out like the bandits that they are.
That is what this whole sewer ruse is all about, is it not?
Think about some of those poor folks who will have to expend close to $30,000.00 if they are forced to hook-up, due to their set-backs and topography!
How will they ever recoup that?
Kramer needs to go to Confession then do the right thing and step down as the Board's attorney!
"Of course there are drawbacks to selling homes then."
Yeah!!!
Don't you just love how he treats that as an inconsequential afterthought!!!
Screw everyone, as long as a few realtors/developers/bankers/lawyers can profit from the rest of us!!!
It is downright CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!
How do these people look their children in the eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny how Kramer's law partner is the one sitting on the "No Enforced Hook Ups" letter the Commissioners have demanded!
All these double-dealing and duplicitous SOBs need to be cleansed from County Government!
If it can be scientifically proven that homes with septic tanks have caused the spiritual, moral and ethical disease that creates lawyers, I would gladly hook on to one of these POS pressurized sewer lines and the even bigger POS grinder pumps!
”How do these people look their children in the eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Let us just hope that by genetics or their personality make-ups, they are unable to replicate!
Kramer is now part of a band of thieves.
The almighty dollar...
...will it be worth it Frank?
It might be of interest, that Brett Fehrman is running for a seat on Aurora City Council.
If he wins, will he get himself appointed to the Board of SDRSD as Aurora's representative? Will that be a way for the DCRSD crooks to weasel their way into a working sewer district? They sure can't seem to do it any other way! He still needs sewers for his subdivision on US 50.
Why is it that whenever and wherever Brett involves himself in "public service," it is only to "service" his particular and personal interests at the expense of the "Public?"
Mr. Kramer is a good attorney and he seems to know his role with the sewer board. He serves them. So if there is issue with this letter, that issue needs to be taken up with the board members who asked him to write it for the DCRSD board.
Attorneys can walk away from something they do not feel ethically comfortable with.
And remember, it is Ewbank and Kramer.
Where is Ewbank and the "No Enforced Hook Ups" letter?
Far too much and too many instances in Dearborn County where parties, especially attorneys, need to recuse themselves!
If the County cannot afford to run sewers all over the County without bankrupting existing citizens...
...then maybe the County cannot afford to run sewers all over the County...
...PERIOD!!!
Kramer is no Ewbank.
"Kramer is no Ewbank."
Judge those by the company that they keep.
Kramer at least trys to be reasonably detached from it all.
Ewbank is more like a Capo of some crime syndicate, who acts as if he has most of our politicians in his pocket.
Whatever their differences, WE still have one law firm representing two separate, sometimes conflicting agencies of County government.
The appearance of impropriety should always be avoided, except in Dearborn County, of course!
There should also be a time period that attorneys who have worked for Commissions or Boards, that they have to refrain from representing clients with interests with such Commissions and Boards.
Maybe then these attorneys will start looking out for the taxpayer and not just their self-interests!
”Maybe then these attorneys will start looking out for the taxpayer and not just their self-interests!”
What, you do not think our tax dollars should be spent on schemes in the pursuit of higher utility bills and plots to force existing homeowers on sewers, at costs beyond what conscionable people would consider outrageous, to subsidize a few of our local developers?
"It might be of interest, that Brett Fehrman is running for a seat on Aurora City Council."
Brett so loves the town of Aurora, he is willing to facilitate a sewer plan that will cost them thousands upon thousands of dollars more than needed!
But he will profit!
And he will do his best to “trickle down” a fraction of his profits upon the heads of Aurora’s residents!
What ever happened to conflict of interest laws? Don't they get enforced?
As a business person whether an attorney or other why do I need to look out for you? I really do not care about you.
"As a business person whether an attorney or other why do I need to look out for you? I really do not care about you."
County and Board Attorneys are paid via OUR tax dollars.
I know you developer types have trouble distinguishing between what is OURS and what is YOURS!
As more and more of your bought and paid for politicians fall by the way side, you will catch on!!!
"I really do not care about you."
Well then, stay out of our wallets and pocketbooks then we can cease to care about you.
But it is people like you who make it necessary for people like us, to have to have locks on our doors!
"Well then, stay out of our wallets and pocketbooks then we can cease to care about you."
Exactly! These “so-called” businessmen want to hold themselves out as “rugged individualists, while the entire time they are co-opting our politicians, latching on to our tax dollars, subverting rules that the rest of us have to live with and forcing our neighbors onto overly expensive sewers to subsidize their developments.
What hypocrites and frauds!!!
It is uneconomical for persons such as Fehrman and Maxwell to pay for sewers to service their developments, alone, but it is somehow economical for the neighbors of their respective developments to go into tens of thousands of dollars in debt in order for the Fehrmans and the Maxwells to walk away from their developments at a profit.
Think about the type of discordant and ruthless thinking that needs to come in to play to find such conduct tolerable?
Sometimes the community has to all pitch in to bring about needed services. Roads are an example. If the county constructs the roads (sewers too) with an eye to the future maintenance and costs of such things it would be preferable.
"Sometimes the community has to all pitch in..."
Forcing hook-ups of existing homeowners on to substandard pressurized sewers and grinder pumps, who are presently on working septic systems, at a price tag to these existing homeowners of tens of thousands of dollars, is not "pitching in," it is extortion!
"jb said...
Sometimes the community has to all pitch in to bring about needed services. Roads are an example. If the county constructs the roads (sewers too) with an eye to the future maintenance and costs of such things it would be preferable."
Funny thing about this. When a developer constructs a new subdivision, he must pay for all the roads and any that will become dedicated county roads must be constructed to county standards and tested to prove that, before they are accepted. The citizens are not forced to pay for those roads.
And upgrades to the main roads are paid by taxes. Citizens are not required to upgrade their driveways to some new standard nor to individually pay for the developer's project.
The developers should bear their own cost and thereby determine the real profit, or loss, on their project. Without the citizens subsidizing the cost can they even make a profit? Or will they not make an exorbitant profit like they are used to now.
Without the citizens subsidizing the cost can they even make a profit?
It does not take an economist to figure out the only way someone like Fehrman could afford to service his subdivision on 50 is to spread the cost amongst all those already existing homeowners surrounding his project.
Which is why he is on the Sewer Board and why he and his fellow travelers are hell bent in sticking it to the rest of us!
With the DCRSD’s Board populated with the likes that now pontificate down to the rest of us, what is to stop them from stretching out the tentacles of their sewers in any direction where one on the Board or one of their Buddies on the outside, buy up a farm at a cheap price?
Will even more people be coerced into getting loans to subsidize these new subdivisions?
The conflict laden DCRSD needs to be put out of its misery now!
One more taxpayer dollar floated their way just gives the Board false hope of being able to screw the taxpayer out of more dollars later!
Pull the trigger now!
This sewer board is not working to save utility customers, or soon to be unwilling utility customers, a good deal. They are angling for for good deals for our local realtor/developers. If that means the rest of us have to get loans, then so be it. Crooks is all these board members are!!!!!!!!!!!
Which is why he is on the Sewer Board and why he and his fellow travelers are hell bent in sticking it to the rest of us!
Fehrman and his whole clan and posse should be on "America's Most Wanted!"
Each and every Fehrman should be force to sit next to each and every person they are forcing to get a loan to subsidize their subdivision!
Maybe, that would wake them up to what they are doing to all the innocent good and decent people, that are the victims of their greed!
Not one more red cent should be given to the DCRSD!
These folks are in existence just for themselves, to hell with the rest of us!
If Benning is involved, even tangentially, expect the worst for the citizen/taxpayer!
She seems to gravitate to any and all schemes to bilk the taxpayer for the benefit of the realtor/developer!
Does Vera Benning even have a job outside of being a "secretary" for the DCRSD?
What happened to her employment as an agent at Fehrman Realty?
What happened to her employment as an agent at Fehrman Realty?
They would have dropped Brett also, but that would have made it most uncomfortable during the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays.
St Leon residents are not subsidising developers costs, they (developers) are paying their own way.
The "forced hookup" issue has nothing to do with developers, but the utility entity itself. Developers deal with the same tie-in fees that the residents do, and pay for downstream upgrades as well.
The "forced hookup" issue has nothing to do with developers,
Liar!
It is developers who are pushing this entire "forced hookup" issue.
Who do you think is behind the "utility" trying to force hookups?
Farmers? Existing homeowners?
Geesh!
Now the developers are blaming everything on the big bad "Utilty" company!
When it is developers that are the true engines behind this push for enforced hook-ups to subsidize their developments.
Look at the "development" interests on the sewer Board itself!
This is like the murderer blaming the gun for his dastardly deeds!!!
Realtor/developer Brett Fehrman just hates the fact the "Utility" company is trying to enforce hook ups of all the neighbors of his planned subdivision on 50!
If only he knew someone at the DCRSD!
"St Leon residents are not subsidising developers costs, they (developers) are paying their own way."
And what would be the costs of developers paying their own way if not for enforced hook-ups?
You would not be developing St. Leon because it would be too cost restrictive!
So please, don't try to con us!
As an example....If St. Leon had plans to run a new sewer line down a road because of bad septic systems (not because of any other development going on), the utility company would make everyone that lives along that new line tap into that line.
The forced hook ups have nothing to do with development.
And even if a developer pays to have a line put in for a development they still have to pay tap fees just like everyone else. So the developer is paying for a new line and tap fees.
Try looking at the state and/or the individual utility companies about the forced hook ups and stop blaming the developers or realtors or lawyers or who ever you don't like at the time.
"...because of bad septic systems..."
Ahh!
The "Red Herring" of "bad septic" systems!
Point to the least little evidence, gathered, proving "bad septic systems" in St. Leon?"
Then look at the plethora of “overages and spills” that sewer treatments have caused the environment!
And let us not forget who has influenced local sewer boards!
Got a guess, princess?
Developers!!!!!!!!
"BAD SEPTIC SYSTEMS" defined:
A system effectively disposing of effluence that drives developers crazy who want enforced sewer systems and the one house per 1/4 acre rule that realtors and developers so crave!
And TGIF has outed herself as the Leni Riefenstahl of our local development industry!
I would like to know how you think that developers influence the local sewer boards?
Can any one tell me how long the sewer boards have been enforcing sewer hook ups? Has it been since they started?
What is your problem with developers anyway? I guess you frame of mind is if you are not a farmer then everyone else that works is evil. Then please tell me what professions YOU would allow in this county.
TGIF quit your trolling.
We know your line now.
"Development saves us all money, even if it bankrupts us!"
I would like to know how you think that developers influence the local sewer boards?
Look at the boards themselves.
This County is still trying to fix the absolute mess and earlier "sewer" crisis that the High Ridge Estates developer left us!
The DCRSD was formed specifically to fix this problem and you can see how their focus immediately changed from High Ridge's problem to the personal projects of the Board members!
Now Please!
Enough with your woeful feigned ignorance on this subject!
Tgif, look what development interests on the VRUC are doing to the folks up in Hidden Valley.
Research on this blog and local newspapers the mess development stooges have created.
"What is your problem with developers anyway?"
Most of us did not think twice about developers, live and let live so to speak, until they took over local government and the next thing we know they are telling US to get loans to pay for THEIR developments.
Now, if you do not understand why most of us have problems with such an arrangement, then there is no hope for your cognitive skills!
Don't waste your time with tgif.
She is just a development shill, putting up one "straw-man" after another.
tgif...I want commercial development next to your trailer park. It will be so nice to see development where development needs to be. It's not right to have it in your back yard? Development is ok. Believe me. If it's done publicly and ethically and by the guidelines of the County. It should not be done in the back office and underhanded with some piece of work getting his pockets lined in a bar or at an athletic club.
Expect another Non Sequitur from tgif, as if she has no prior knowledge of what has been taking place in Dearborn County nor what has been posted on the very blog on which she marginally contributes!
Well it would be nice to see development up on the farms near St Leon. I have always said that I don't care if development took place in my back yard as long as it was smart growth. It wouldn't matter if it was done publicly and ethically and by guidelines, you all would still find something to bitch about. From reading the blog it seems to be your nature.
It seems that you only think I marginally contribute because I don't bitch and cry all the time. I have tried to understand where most of you stand by trying to get go debates going but all you do is bitch.
I would like to know how development get paid for by tax payers money. Can you tell me one development that was constructed with tax payers money?
How many taxpayer dollars have been spent on the Viesta contract and still flowing to the DCEDI, all in the name of DEVELOPMENT?
How many citizen/taxpayer dollars will be spent if the DCRSD gets their way and forces everyone on sewers around Brett's subdivision?
I personally know one person where it will cost approximately $30,000.00!
But that is ok with tgif, because she is sure that his septic tank, located in the middle of his 60 acres, is poluting the entire country side!
She would be appalled to learn what my horses and the cattle that graze on my 150 acres are doing to the environment!
I would also guess she would be sick if she found out what my ducks and geese are doing to my ponds! And has anyone ever seen all the deer droppings in the woods?
No wonder the developers are bulldozing every bit of woods they can get their hands on!
"I personally know one person where it will cost approximately $30,000.00!"
I saw on the WCPO Channel Nine News that St. Leon is trying to force sewer hookup to a farm that will cost the owner in excess of $50,000.00!
"in excess of $50,000.00!"
How many children has this person's septic field mamed or killed?
It must have killed a number of Chuck Andres' kids!!!
He is the number one person pushing sewers up in St. Leon in order for him to get the $55,000.00 per acre asking price for his land!
He must really miss his kids!
I guess he thinks it is worth it that the rest of us have to loans on our land to increase the value of his land, in the name of his children!
But he wants to "develop" his land, so tgif will be happy!
So know Chuck Andres can't sell his land for commercial or industrial development right next to the interstate. That is the perfect spot for development.
It does make me happy that there could possible be economic development in the County.
Gosh it feels like, even though we only met a short time ago you know me already.
This is the greatest blog spot ever.
And tgif you keep proven to be the development whore we all knew you were.
I noticed how you glossed over the fact that St. Leon is trying to force sewers on a real person that will cost his family $50,000.00 to hook up to the sewers that Andres needs to sell his property.
But, hey, its development!
As long as you and your buddies are making a few bucks, who cares that others may go bankrupt subsidizing your creepy crew!
'I noticed how you glossed over the fact that St. Leon is trying to force sewers on a real person that will cost his family $50,000.00 to hook up to the sewers that Andres needs to sell his property."
Why, of course she glossed over that little fact!
Reprobates and molesters do not like to be faced with evidence of their victims!
"Reprobates and Molesters"
Is the above Law Firm connected to Ewbank and Kramer?
Tgif shares all the moral and ethical failings as Vera Benning or those of her "ear whisperer" Lisa Lehner.
"Reprobates and molesters do not like to be faced with evidence of their victims!"
Now do you really have to stoop that low. I will make sure that on Sunday I pray God will give you forgiveness for being so evil to people.
I don't understand how it is Andres fault about the forced hook ups. Just because he wants to have sewer at this property doesn't mean that he is the one forcing the hook up.
”I don't understand how it is Andres fault about the forced hook ups. Just because he wants to have sewer at this property doesn't mean that he is the one forcing the hook up.”
Tgif, either you are beyond stupid or you just love to lie just to stir the pot!
Chuck Andres was the President of St. Leon’s Town Council and was the number one facilitator an architect of pushing sewers on his fellow citizens!
And please, save your prayers for all those people up in St. Leon who will be forced into great debt, with the possibility of losing their homes, to pay for your wretched friends’ development!
What is next, tgif?
Are you going to tell everyone that realtor Fehrman and developer Maxwell are playing no part in the DCRSD trying to force folks on sewers that both need to build their subdivisions and other developments?
And the souls you really need to pray for are those few realtor/developers in this County who are willing to steal their neighbors blind for their own enrichment!
"...I pray God will give you forgiveness for being so evil to people."
As her developer friends destroy some of our neighbors' lives, she is going to pray for "US" because we were "mean" to her!
What a piece of work tgif is!
Have you noticed that TGIF has compassion only for the poor realtor/developer?
Not once has she expressed any "Christian Concern or Compassion" for those who may lose their homes because of these forced sewer hook-ups!
"Chuck Andres was the President of St. Leon’s Town Council and was the number one facilitator an architect of pushing sewers on his fellow citizens!"
Sorry but I didn't he was the President of the Council.
Tgif, this is what we mean by development interests taking over local government.
And tgif, it is worth some research on your part, to see how the St. Leon Town Council bamboozled those that could vote for them then contrast how those who had no vote had to pay the balance for St. Leon's sewers!
I never understood that detour of the St L. sewerline that follows In 1 North,then goes West behind the shell station to service Andres's property, then goes EAST between the shell Station and the liquor store until it gets back onto In 1.
I wish that some one would explain that to me.
"I wish that some one would explain that to me."
A heavy West than a heavy East blowing wind during trenching?
than = then
"I wish that some one would explain that to me."
Corruption in government has its little perks?
"I wish that some one would explain that to me."
The crap was deeper over at the Andres' property?
"I wish that some one would explain that to me."
The trenching crew was trying to run over a farmer?
"I wish that some one would explain that to me."
Vera Benning was in one of her more usual and obstinate moods and would not move her Caddy out of the way of the trenching crew because they did not pay her the proper amount respect regarding how important she thinks she is?
"I wish that some one would explain that to me."
Vera Benning was in one of her more usual and obstinate moods and would not move her Caddy out of the way of the trenching crew because they did not pay her the proper amount respect regarding how important she thinks she is?'
Ha! Ha!
You have been talking to her neighbors!!!
Or you are just one of many farmers she has done that to!!!
Chuck Andres is all about Chuck Andres.
Which, in and of itself, is fine.
But Chuck Andres wants the rest of us to also be about Chuck Andres, which has proven quite expensive for the rest of us!
The folks up in Northern Dearborn County are expected to subsidize Andres' fortunes...
...and the folks in Southern Dearborn County are expected to subsidize Fehrman's fortunes.
Welcome to Dearborn County!
Best check out who else owns land in and close to those proposed service areas.
"Best check out who else owns land in and close to those proposed service areas."
They would not happen to be more "political" types or local board members in charge of looking out for the rest of us, would they?
some one is very jealous of Vera
for what ever reason
Geeh
She is just a very good person
when will you ever just let he
live out her life for the rest of
the time she has left.
When she removes herself from activities that cost the rest of us peace of mind and money!
After reading this blog and meeting notes is it reasonable to say that people go on these boards to satisfy their own agenda? I've said that from day one...Federal, State, County, and city government is a nice idea; however, when it's driven by corrupt and unethical leaders it's wrong. It's just morally wrong what goes on. Top to bottom Dearborn County is corrupt. Let's clean house and get everyone to take a mandatory ethics class before entering office.
Let's clean house and get everyone to take a mandatory ethics class before entering office.
An "ethics" class cannot turn cockroaches into butterflies!
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