The following notes are provided in an effort to record the transactions of the meeting without editorial comment, except clarification of events.
6 September 2007 DCRSD Meeting Notes
Present: Acting Chairman, Fehrman, Pruss, Dennerline, Maxwell and Enzweiler. Adams and Hankins were not present.Also Present: Baer, Executive Secretary; Quinn, Quinn Engineering; Benning, Secretary; Frank Kramer, Board Attorney; Robert Hrezo, Hrezo Engineering; Denise Freitag-Burdette, Register Publications; Jerry Jacobsen, SDRSD Board member; Stan Beeler, VRUC Board member; Charlie Fehrman, County Council Chairman (part time); James West, DCEDI; Russell Montgomery, Serenity Ridge resident; 2 others and Ralph Thompson.
Meeting started at approximately 7:00 PM in the Commissioner's Meeting Room. Meeting was not recorded.
Michael Hankins Resignation
Hankins has submitted his letter of resignation for the DCRSD Board. (No reason stated.) Fehrman indicated the Board needed a new Chairman. Dennerline moved to elect Enzweiler, Maxwell seconded, approved.
Meeting Notes
Meeting Notes for August 2, 2007: Maxwell moved and -------- seconded, approved.
Minutes of Executive Session held August 16, 2007 Action, An Executive Session Was Held for the Purpose of IC 5-14-1.5-6.1-6(A). No Subject Matter Was Discussed in the Executive Session Other Than Specified. No Vote Required.
Note: The specific section cited: Sec. 6.1. Executive sessions may be held only in the following instances:..........(6) With respect to any individual over whom the governing body has jurisdiction: (A) to receive information concerning the individual's alleged misconduct;
NOTE: This item was on the agenda; but, not mentioned in this meeting. No vote is permitted in an Executive Session.
Also, the following is excerpted from the same Indiana Code: (c) A final action must be taken at a meeting open to the public.
No action or comment was made.
Treasurer's Report
$0.99 in Lawrenceburg Community Grant Fund.
$338.02 in RSD Savings Account
$61,745.61 in RSD Project Fund
Serenity Ridge
Have funds from 7 of 10 residents, who had committed. LMH agreement has been provided, though should not be signed until all the funds are in the account. The construction bids can be advertised; but, cannot proceed with application until all funds are submitted. Pruss moved to proceed when all funds are received, Maxwell seconded, approved. Montgomery (from the audience) asked if they could proceed. It was again stated they cannot proceed until all the funds are provided.
Quinn noted he was not authorized to proceed with design construction services. A $5,000 proposal was submitted at a prior meeting; but, not approved. Hrezo submitted a proposal for $2,800 for Construction Management.
Maxwell stated all is part of the previous motion.
Special Requests
Charlie Fehrman was present for comments on the Budget Request Review. C Fehrman wanted to acknowledge Hankins service with thanks.
He stated this was their first meeting since the Council Budget Hearings. DCRSD was budgeted $0. The budget is less dependent on gambling money and is therefore more available. The council needs more explanation before approval. With regard to the engineering study in the budget request, they didn't know if this was in the $116,000 for the West Aurora Project. They didn't have enough information. They are not cutting DCRSD off. When money is needed for emergency, there is some limited amounts available. Larger requests will have to go before Council by procedure, will need to be advertised 40 days in advance, and could be available in 70 days.
Council wants more detail and explanation.
Council did fund Benning's position.
Bid items were not funded.
He knows they are planning for the future; but, Council couldn't see it with DCRSD. Some issues were funded in the West Aurora project. All the 400 category items were zeroed.
When needed C Fehrman said he will be available to help them get Council funding.
Dennerline: When we do an appreciation award will you (C Fehrman) sign it for Council?
C. Fehrman (joked): Hankins saved the hospital enough on anesthesia, by talking to his patients about sewers. (Laughter). Guess I shouldn't say this, this won't be on the record will it.
Benning: This will not be in the meeting notes.
C Fehrman: I will sign the letter. Does the DCRSD has someone you want us to consider for Hankins replacement? (Council appointed Hankins.)
(C Fehrman left shortly thereafter.)
West Aurora Project
Quinn: For preliminary work to proceed with the State Revolving Fund we need a signed application. We need a motion from the Board. There are other criteria - low income.
Dennerline: We can't meet that.
Quinn: I am about to start design. We need an application to IDEM for modification to the discharge permit. Hrezo is to do survey.
B Fehrman: Randy Turner wants us to take another look at taking the sewage to Aurora.
Maxwell: I met with Doug Hedrick, the day Hankins called me, and Doug encouraged me to consider sensible discussions; but, I haven't heard from him since. He (Hedrick?) felt they would look at a project to run to Aurora, SDRSD with Greendale as a productive partner. I haven't heard from him for three weeks. DCRSD has been passed and "punched in the mouth" more than once; but, I would like another try.
Dennerline: I had lunch with Butler and Butler had not provided any comment. Is the agreed order going to be released?
Baer: Would have to talk to Mark Stanifer (IDEM)
Dennerline: Proceed with the State Revolving Fund. Presume it can be used either way?
Quinn: Pretty sure it can be used either way.
Dennerline: Moved to have the chairman sign the application as soon as it is ready.
Quinn: Should he stop work? (Presumably design work.)
Dennerline: Proceed.
Enzweiler: Need to meet with Aurora.
Maxwell: I will call Hedrick.
Dennerline: I will call Butler.
New Business
B Fehrman: SDRSD is to vote on the Greendale - VRUC agreement Tuesday.
Dennerline: Asked Jerry Jacobsen (in the audience) if he had any information.
Jacobsen: No information available.
Jacobsen: DCRSD was going to buy in, then VRUC, then St. Leon, etc. SDRSD doesn't know what to expect until you (DCRSD) put something down.
Dennerline: Kramer put together a letter for 100,000 GPD; but, got a 'NO'. We need cooperation.
Jacobsen: Charity begins at home.
Maxwell: The GRW study said to build a treatment plant at Highridge Estates. I signed up to solve Highridge, I've heard about it for 30 years (slight exaggeration?). The direction was given: build a plant. The 'turf' battles may be softened by the Greendale - VRUC agreement. Turf battles have not been productive. I am interested in revisiting SDRSD's cooperation. Maybe we can find common ground. The atmosphere hasn't been conducive. If somebody wants a fight, I can punch them in the mouth. Or I can walk.
B Fehrman: I want to start cooperating. I am still interested.
Enzweiler: People have to work together. Till the county will work together we won't move on. Time to quit and work as a team to make it happen.
Dennerline: Doug (Baer) can handle issues for budget numbers - avoid the choke factor.
Baer: Tell me when you have more concrete evidence of what you want to do.
Claims
Claims for reimbursements. Enzweiler moved to pay claims, Dennerline seconded. Approved.
West Aurora Project
Maxwell: As work is authorized, I want to know how much will be done in the next 30 days.
Hrezo will do ground control. If they go with SDRSD, I wouldn't feel good about it.
Quinn: The collection system will be the same and will cost about $8,000.
B Fehrman: Check status of agreed order, if going to Aurora. Can start a better discussion.
Jacobsen: About going to Aurora, I understand IDEM will not allow Highridge to transmit through Aurora.
Quinn: Applied 18 months ago - denied.
B Fehrman: Randy Turner has asked.
Dennerline: That's why we have drug our feet, we didn't want to put in a treatment plant.
Jacobsen: I thought Highridge only, might pass IDEM.
B Fehrman: Thought that a year ago - No.
Baer: Mark Stanifer is the Compliance Chief.
Maxwell: If SDRSD was standing with DCRSD, they would have the power to garner a 'Yes'. Before we were standing alone. There's power with SDRSD and DCRSD, then IDEM won't stand in the way. The one lift station is going now, the next deadline is 2011. SDRSD needs to help Aurora get it done. Three months ago we decided to build a plant because we couldn't get it through.
Dennerline: We need to do our homework and try again.
Dennerline: move to adjourn.
Adjourned at approximately 8:40 PM.
A discussion ensued, outside official meeting time, regarding an appreciation letter for Hankins or throwing him a dinner. There were five members in a discussion at the right end of the Bench (Maxwell, Dennerline, Enzweiler, Pruss and Fehrman) along with Hrezo, Quinn and Baer.
Notes by Ralph Thompson Washington Township
and Jerry Jacobsen Lawrenceburg Township.
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The best thing that could happen to this County is the DCRSD workng with the SDRSD and Greendale.
They seem to know the business and are not controlled by any one special interest.
May this be the last we are confronted with grinder pumps, pressurized lines and bankrupting costs to existing home and property owners!
Kudos to the DCRSD, the SDRSD and Greendale!!!
Happy Days!!!
Wonderful news!
Everyone to Ebay for the sale of all the DCRSD hats and t-shirts!
I am going to paint the lid on my septic tank some festive color to celebrate!
Hell, I will kiss Brett right on the lips!
But I'm not gay, not that there is anything wrong with that!!!!!!!!
Thanks Ralph Thompson and Jerry Jacobsen.
I really appreciate all the work you put into these reports.
Great job!
"The best thing that could happen to this County is the DCRSD workng with the SDRSD and Greendale."
That all sounds good BUT for all intents and purposes DCRSD doesn't want to work with SDRSD. DCRSD wants to take over SDRSD with out firing a shot. DCRSD has "zero". They are all paper and they want control of all the sewers in Dearborn County. SDRSD is established. They have infrastructure, sewer lines in the ground and a sewage treatment plant and no debt. There is NO need for 2 Regional sewer districts. SDRSD is enough and are seeing the light that they need to act like a regional district.
Presently and in the near future SDRSD can supply 99% of the sewer needs in their watershed areas. DCRSD is presently THE deterent not allowing this to happen. It's time for the DCRSD to allow developement and not deter developement by saying they control, through "CTA's" (certified terratorial authority), anything the 3 members of the SDRSD are not serving.
Does Dearborn County taxpayers need to pay for duplication of 2 sewer districts? In my opinion, We don't.
Anonymous said...
There is NO need for 2 Regional sewer districts. SDRSD is enough and are seeing the light that they need to act like a regional district.
4:05 PM, September 07, 2007
Good point.
I think the DCRSD's days are numbered.
Read what Charlie Fehrman said:
"He knows they are planning for the future; but, Council couldn't see it with DCRSD."
Fehrman and Maxwell need to resign themselves to that fact and it would appear, at least from Ralph's report, that Brett is starting to see the writing on the wall, while John still has some fight left in him.
But, he can't bully those who hold the purse strings!
The council seems to be genuinely interested in fixing High Ridge and moving on to matters they are more competent to handle and willing to leave the sewers for the SDRSD!
Just my rambling thoughts on the issue!
It seems that DCRSD, after trying to take over the county, bully the established sewer districts, rob the Citizens of the county and generally behave like a spoiled brat, has run up against a wall of the resistance they caused. Now they are begging for everyone to play nice with them because they are on the edge of extinction.
It's time to finish the job of their extinction and turn the sewage welfare of the county over to some real experts, who actually care about the citizens of Dearborn County.
"(6) With respect to any individual over whom the governing body has jurisdiction: (A) to receive information concerning the individual's alleged misconduct;"
Who's misconduct? Does this have anything to do with Hankin's resignation? Or is it just coincidence?
"When needed C Fehrman said he will be available to help them get Council funding."
Is this a case of Charlie Fehrman helping Brett Fehrman?
"C Fehrman: I will sign the letter. Does the DCRSD has someone you want us to consider for Hankins replacement?"
So they can put another political flunky on this already 'screwed up' Board? If we cannot eliminate this mess, at least find a really qualified person, who is not out to rape the Citizens for his own benefit.
We already have Denerline, who got his trailer park fixed and has land in the West Aurora Project area, Fehrman, with Gabbard Estates in the West Aurora Project area and Maxwell, who is pushing for buying capacity from St. Leon in the area of his Master Plan and properties in the northern part of the county, including along Mt. Pleasant Road.
Is there someone else out there, who needs sewers to make a buck, that they can ask to have added to this bunch of crooks?
"The 'turf' battles may be softened by the Greendale - VRUC agreement."
Why did DCRSD get in the middle of VRUC and Greendale in the first place? If there are turf battles, place the blame directly on DCRSD, who has butted in between existing client and server and who has blocked the SDRSD members, who have real capacity and expertise from serving areas adjacent to their current limits, just to protect DCRSD's turf!
DCRSD has made their own problems and enemies. They just don't get it!
It is time for DCRSD to become ancient history!
"NOTE: This item was on the agenda; but, not mentioned in this meeting.
Also, the following is excerpted from the same Indiana Code: (c) A final action must be taken at a meeting open to the public."
Does this mean DCRSD is in violation of State Code?
Is there someone else out there, who needs sewers to make a buck, that they can ask to have added to this bunch of crooks?
I nominate Vera Benning!
Then the DCRSD can brag that they have been successful in alienating every honest soul in this County!
Move her up from secretary!
Let her make a few "killer" decisions, aiding the earlier demise of the DCRSD!
Her heavy handed, arrogant and empty-headed leadership is what is needed on the DCRSD!
But for the record, I think we are hearing the "death rattle" of the DCRSD, with John Maxwell weezing and coughing the most before death!
John, you need to die like a man, instead of ranting and raving from your death bed, kicking at and cursing the ghosts under your covers!
Maxwell is just in shock and rocked by unbelief!
There was a short period in this County where he thought he had everyone in his pocket, everyone answered his phone calls!
But, lately he has been increasingly treated like a contagion!
His slide started when he complained to his flunkies in County government about that Grandma posting signs in her yard protesting his development.
With that move, "he got a gun and shot himself!"
The final nail in the DCRSD's coffin needs to be the "No Forced Hook-Ups Letter!"
The false hope of forcing existing property owners onto the DCRSD's sewers will only fuel their delusion of being a "power player" in all things sewage and effuse, stalling their demise for a few more months!
Remember, they still have Doug Baer holding out hope that the DCRSD may broaden his power base in his bureaucratic little dog run, permiting him to constantly yap, yap, yap about sending out hook-up letters!
His slide started when he complained to his flunkies in County government about that Grandma posting signs in her yard protesting his development.
How much did that little legal jamboree end up costing the taxpayers with court costs, attorney fees and other incidental costs, so that Maxwell could bully a little ole lady?
And of course, Maxwell's operatives lost that legal case, but hey, it was not his money!
Remember, he is a developer!
When a developer yells jump, their shills in County government do backflips to provide any and all things requested by the developer, at the taxpayers' expense of course!
"Remember, they still have Doug Baer holding out hope that the DCRSD may broaden his power base in his bureaucratic little dog run, permiting him to constantly yap, yap, yap about sending out hook-up letters!"
Doug Baer better remember, that he is a County employee. He CAN be fired!
Even though the letter is being held up, all three Commissioners voted for a No Forced Hookup Policy. If Baer doesn't follow the lead of his employers, he can become unemployed!
do you know just who his employer is?
I'm guessing he gets hired by his BOARD- the Health Board. They however- get appointed by Commissioners... and maybe Council?
"Maxwell: The GRW study said to build a treatment plant at Highridge Estates. I signed up to solve Highridge, I've heard about it for 30 years (slight exaggeration?). The direction was given: build a plant. The 'turf' battles may be softened by the Greendale - VRUC agreement. Turf battles have not been productive. I am interested in revisiting SDRSD's cooperation. Maybe we can find common ground. The atmosphere hasn't been conducive. If somebody wants a fight, I can punch them in the mouth. Or I can walk."
Pretty strong talk for so,eone trying to "cooperate."
Maxwell needs to come to terms with the fact that the days of "rubber stamps" such as Vera, et al, are over in County Government!
Many of us were asleep at the wheel. We had no idea that those in County Government would use their positions to line the pockets of a hand-full of realtors, developers and land title attorneys!
We had no idea that our tax dollars were just viewed as a petty cash fund for a hand-full of realtor, developers and land title attorneys!
We had no idea of the arrogance of the bo bo's in public office who were turning our government into a developer benevolent society run by realtors, developers and land title attorneys!
We are paying attention now!
Does anyone think that there would be this much progress in protecting the taxpayers' dollars and protecting the taxpayers from predatory realtor/developers, willing to force those taxpayers onto sewers at back-breaking costs, to subsidize their developments, if Vera Benning was still in office, or her alter-ego, Frank Linkmeyer?
Now, maybe the "uniformed police officer" at commissioner meetings can start searching the pockets and handbags of realtor, developers and land title attorneys, looking for shoplifted tax dollars!!!
Choice#1
The commissioners should desolve the DCRSD. Then the commissioners should deal directly with SDRSD. In that way the environment for cooperation between Dearborn county/SDRSD will be greatly improved.
Choice #2
The Deaborn County commissioners should call a meeting with the SDRSD or attend the next SDRSD meeting tuesday Sept 11 at 10:00 am.at the SDRSD office on Eads Pkwy. The meeting is open for all to attend. Then after learning SDRSD's concerns about the agenda of DCRSD, make up their minds whether there is a need for 2 regional sewer districts. With the cooperation and assistance from the Dearborn County commissioners, there is only 1 regional sewer district needed to accomplish development and correction of the major, failed systems in Dearborn County. If the Commissioners addressed the SDRSD/DCRSD dilemma ,the solution will be more taxpayer friendly and definately accomplished more expeditiously.
From its very inception, the DCRSD was about providing a vehicle for realtors and developers to push development outside the reasonable bounds of existing and affordable infrastructure!
Job # 1 was to permit the purchase of rural farm land, at rural farm land prices and then to permit its rezoning to residential, sewering such land at the expense of existing home and property owners already on functional septic systems!
Job # 2 was to use taxpayer dollars to sue taxpayers if they refused to accommodate the realtor/developers' sewers!
Job # 3 was to move even further out into the rural areas, wherever a farm came up for sale and start the process all over again!
But! But! But!
Vera Benning said the DCRSD is not about development!
By the way, where is Vera Benning getting her latest taxpayer provided paycheck currently?
The DCRSD!!!
Go figure!!!
Cheap land is the only criteria for our developers telling all of us that our County "needs" development!
But the reason our land is "cheap," is because of the lack of infrastructure!
Who pays for the infrastructure?
The taxpayer!
And some very unlucky taxpayers, depending on their geographical location near a proposed development, get to disproportionately pay for sewers for such development!
There has to be dicussion in this County about what is "best" for the taxpayer, not what is best for just a hand-full of developers and their minions, while these developers have their in-pocket, in-office hacks rationalize to everyone that if a developer does well, we all do well!
And that just ain't so!!!!!!!!!!!
Why does John Maxwell think those sewer districts with real customers, infrastructure and competent administrators need to bow down before the DCRSD, which has none of the above?
Arrogance and condescension are not marketable qualities for “would-be” sewage utility entities!
Maybe if the DCRSD Board had worked more genuinely and earnestly to fix High Ridge, without exploring every avenue to “piggy-back” their developments onto High Ridge’s needed sewer fix, other sewer districts would have taken the DCRSD a bit more seriously!
Was the DCRSD offering, to date, any thing other than pressurized lines and grinder pumps for sewer service?
It would seem such an option would be be the worst case scenario in hooking up a home onto a "gravity" sewer system, but for topography not permitting such!
And it should of been with the express knowledge to the potential homeowner the inherent costs and service issues of grinder pump facilitated sewer system.
Especially, the potential homeowner being informed that power outages would curtail the flushing of toilets, running of water, etc!
"there is only 1 regional sewer district needed to accomplish development and correction of the major, failed systems in Dearborn County."
SDRSD has been in existence for over twenty years. They are a Regional District in name only. They are a waste water treatment facility owned by three municipal entities. (L'Burg, Greendale, and Aurora) They have three customers,their owners. They (SDRSD) have not addressed one sewage problem anywhere in Dearborn County. (Witness the refusal of help in solving Aurora's problems, people unable to sell their homes on 148) The County was invited to join many years ago, but through short sighted leadership they declined. Now that there is a need, Highridge and others, their attitude appears to be "you should have been here twenty years ago. NOW GO AWAY." This is why the County formed DCRSD ,plain and simple. I for one will believe that SDRSD is a Regional Sewer District when they start acting like one.
" I for one will believe that SDRSD is a Regional Sewer District when they start acting like one."
true!
It will come to pass when the DCRSD's takeover threat is desolved and the Dearborn County Commissioners appoint a representive to the SDRSD BOD whom has the moral support, financial support and interest of the county taxpayers and issues in mind.
Then and only then can the development and sewage pollution problems be addressed.
Presently the DCRSD's take over tactics are prohibiting this from happening.
I for one will believe that SDRSD is a Regional Sewer District when they start acting like one.
And I will believe that the DCRSD is anything other than a realtor/developer creation to foster the realtor/developer and to profit the realtor/developer...when they begin to offer up alternatives other than pressurized sewer lines and are able to capitalize their structure, without forcing existing homeowners on to their
system as collateral to grow their utility!
If folks on 148 cannot sell their homes today, what about the folks already on working septic systems forced to hook-up to DCRSD sewers at costs upward of $40,000.00. Try adding tens of thousands of dollars to the selling price of your home and then trying to sell it!
The only plan the DCRSD has today is to rob Peter (existing homeowners) to pay Paul (Realtor/Developers)!
Realtor/Developers are in cyclical downturn, so why not put the burden on existing homeowners to secure the profits of the Realtor/Developers during their "slow" periods!
P.S. 148? Does Maxwell have something going up there?
"They (SDRSD) have not addressed one sewage problem anywhere in Dearborn County."
What has the DCRSD offered other than to bankrupt folks living around their Board Members' subdivisions, these very same subdivions which will further tax the sewer problems in this County, robbing capacity from potential future commercial development!
The DCRSD is just perturbed, like the VRUC was perturbed, when the citizen/rate payer/taxpayers took their cash cow away from them, leaving those who would profit by controlling a sewer company to have to pay their own ways, through impact and development fees!
Witness what particular profession (used loosely) are the members of these sewer boards or are closely affiliated with the sewer boards, who have done most of the moaning and groaning about citizen/rate payer/taxpayers who do not want to subsidize the development of others?
Realtor/Developers!
SOME FOLKS GET IT:
Fehrman:
"I want to start cooperating. I am still interested."
SOME FOLKS DON'T:
Maxwell:
"If somebody wants a fight, I can punch them in the mouth. Or I can walk."
John, you no longer "own" the process, nor are your opinions all that relevant to the rest of us!!!!!!!!!!!!
Believing tools like Benning would always be in charge, gave these blustering buffoons a false sense of security and self-satisfaction!
Who would have though honest folks would take over the County!
"If somebody wants a fight, I can punch them in the mouth. Or I can walk."
The very fact that Maxwell would say something like this while acting in the capacity of a "PUBLIC" Board Member, is testament to the fact that he does not have the temperment to be on a "PUBLIC" Board!
Understandably, he has confused the DCRSD with any other business interest he "OWNS" out right!
"John, you no longer "own" the process, nor are your opinions all that relevant to the rest of us!!!!!!!!!!!!"
The days where Maxwell could amaze or overawe those whose very livelihoods depended on keeping their taxpayer funded elected positions, are ghosts of the past!
It is easier to fight the neighborhood bully, if you do not have to rely on his munificence to put food on your family’s table!
"Believing tools like Benning would always be in charge, gave these blustering buffoons a false sense of security and self-satisfaction!"
It is amazing that era of absolute sycophancy could have lasted as long as it did!!!!!!!!!!!
It is easier to fight the neighborhood bully, if you do not have to rely on his munificence to put food on your family’s table!
Enter, stage right, Ralph Thompson!
A self-made, self-supporting man, who "WOULD NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE!"
Thank you, Mr. Thompson!
"like the VRUC was perturbed, when the citizen/rate payer/taxpayers took their cash cow away from them, "
This doesn't make sense.
This doesn't make sense.
If you control the entity that can say "yea or neigh" to the possibility of your development, via sewer capacity, you “own” the “cash cow!”
Compare it to when Sammy Gutzwiller thought she owned the VRUC, and thus Floyd Ogden, and got “approval for “Red Pines!”
Speaking of Sammy, compare and contrast her with John Maxwell!
Striking similarities and compunctions to control those folks and entities that could make them a buck or two…even if that buck or two has to be pilfered from someone else!
The VRUC like the DCRSD had too many developers/realtors/lawyers/bankers on their board of directors and the old board has used the HVL residents’ money like the DCRSD has tried to use the taxpayers’ money to further their own interests. The former VRUC board spent over 1 million dollars of the residents’ money on lawyers, expensive studies and lawsuits to profit their personal pockets instead of fixing HVL/VRUC failing sewage collection system.
The people power of HVL has prevailed over the past several years and stopped the building of an unnecessary sewage plant, kept the people aware the DCRSD was trying to buy-out VRUC without their representation, and helped to secure a fair 30-year contract with Greendale by voting 3 new members onto the board of directors over the past year who were ESSENTIAL to the implementation of this contract.
The original VRUC board spent the peoples’ money selfishly and due to their neglect of the infrastructure and no emergency warning system, a monumental break happened in the main sewer line transporting all of HVL’s sewage to Greendale’s junction point on Oberting Road. The break happened near the VRUC plant and flushed all of HVL’s sewage down Double Lick Creek for 4 days (over the holiday weekend – at least 1 million gallons) that caused IDEM, Dearborn County Health Department, IN Dept of Natural Resources, Ohio EPA and others to be called in on Wednesday, September 5. IDEM ordered VRUC to pump the sewage out of Double Lick Creek that covers about 1 ½ miles in length before it goes into the state of Ohio near the railroad tracks. This unfortunately will not be the end to this episode and will be very costly to the good people of HVL. It will take years for the creek to recover to its natural state.
When the peoples’ money is spent for furthering individuals’ personal interests, bad situations can occur which possibly can have been prevented. The DCRSD formed for supposedly an admirable reason, but soon became stymied due to its members’ own desire for personal gain at the taxpayers’ expense. Perhaps the DCRSD never really had an admirable reason, just an outward excuse to fix sewage problems like High Ridge Estates to convince the Commissioners to promise 4 millions dollars of funding. Also concerning was DCRSD devious intent to take over the present SDRSD owned and paid for by the residents of Aurora, Lawrenceburg, and Greendale through paper transactions at the state level.
County infrastructure problems are present, but a change in addressing them is needed. The DCRSD needs to be disbanded and the Commissioners need to actively work with the SDRSD, Dillsboro, Moores Hill, St. Leon, VRUC etc. to implement prudent solutions to pollution problems and development needs.
"...a monumental break happened in the main sewer line transporting all of HVL’s sewage to Greendale’s junction point on Oberting Road.
But a wet spot, compassing a foot or two in my yard, lasting a day or two, 2 or 3 times a year, is enough to declare that I need to be hooked onto the sewers of the VRUC's redheaded stepchild, the DCRSD?
Money does extraordinary things to the greedy's perceptions!
"Also concerning was DCRSD devious intent to take over the present SDRSD owned and paid for by the residents of Aurora, Lawrenceburg, and Greendale through paper transactions at the state level."
WOW!!!
WHAT THE DCRSD WAS WILLING TO DO TO FIX HIGH RIDGE ESTATES!!!
TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE REGIONS' SEWER DISTRICTS!!!
WHAT A WONDERFUL AND SELFLESS BAND OF FELLOWS, WHAT AN ARMY OF THE GOOD, THAT MUST BE LEADING THE DCRSD!!!
(Sarcasm off)
Lisa Lehner must be the viewed as the "Mother Theresa" by High Ridge residents!
What did she charge for arranging all of this?
"The DCRSD is not about Development...it is about helping PEOPLE!"
V. Benning
"What did she charge for arranging all of this?"
I'm sure it was just a couple of bucks and expenses...
...remember, as John Maxwell said:
"I signed up to solve Highridge, I've heard about it for 30 years."
So I am sure he would not let any local land title attorney take advantage of the good folks of High Ridge!
To do otherwise...some might claim there was some sort of collusion going on between the realtors and developers and land title attorneys in this County to profit off the misfortunes of the good citizens of High Ridge!
Enzweiler:
" People have to work together. Till the county will work together we won't move on. Time to quit and work as a team to make it happen."
And if other sewer districts can provide the same service for far less the costs of the DCRSD, it is time for the DCRSD to be a team player and step aside!
Unless the DCRSD has another agenda...and team...and players?
"To do otherwise...some might claim there was some sort of collusion going on between the realtors and developers and land title attorneys in this County to profit off the misfortunes of the good citizens of High Ridge!"
If possibly true, the Commissioners must have Bob Ewbank look into the facts of such a matter!!!
Surely, he will exhaust all efforts in unearthing the truth!!!
If not Bob Ewbank, Frank Kramer might be another candidate for finding out just what is going on in this County!
"If not Bob Ewbank, Frank Kramer might be another candidate for finding out just what is going on in this County!"
Frank Kramer?
Well, surely, I fellow who has been known to keep a picture of his lovely daughter astride a pony on his desk, cannot go through life with out pangs of a conscience!
I think he is up to doing the RIGHT thing!
Frank Kramer is to Bob Ewbank
as is
Louis Pasteur is to a proponent of sour milk!
"The former VRUC board spent over 1 million dollars of the residents’ money on lawyers, expensive studies and lawsuits"
Please document this information.
I have searched through the VRUC financial statements and can not verify these claims.
The biggest legal expense was the result of Greendale illegally cutting off the water to all of HVL in an effort to blackmail VRUC to sign first contract about three years ago.
"Please document this information.
I have searched through the VRUC financial statements and can not verify these claims."
Search again yourself. You need help in reading financial statements. The lawyers presently have latent bills waiting.
ps,
Ask VRUC for an itemized statement from Bose Mckinney Evans for years 1995 through 2007, then tell us that the $1 million lawyer fees is not an overstatement but an understatement. After you get the itemized statement, compare it to the system maitainance costs for years 1995 through 2007. That's the eye opener of poor management.
As you were.
"The biggest legal expense was the result of Greendale illegally cutting off the water to all of HVL in an effort to blackmail VRUC to sign first contract about three years ago."
"ILLEGALLY" ?!?!? Prove it!
VRUC old guard so loved the residents of HVL, that they were trying their best to hook-up with the DCRSD, at 7 times the contract rate of Greendale!
Why?
Because the old guard knew that the residents wanted to support their local realtor/developers!
No matter the costs!
VRUC old guard so loved the residents of HVL, that they were trying their best to hook-up with the DCRSD, at 7 times the contract rate of Greendale!
We have board members on the DCRSD who would have us pay quite a bit more for sewer service over what the SDRSD could offer, only because the DCRSD board members want to hold out for a utility company that will permit development, out into the hinderland, then forcing existing home and property owners onto their sewers to subsidize such development!
" We have board members on the DCRSD who would have us pay quite a bit more for sewer service over what the SDRSD could offer, only because the DCRSD board members want to hold out for a utility company that will permit development, out into the hinderland, then forcing existing home and property owners onto their sewers to subsidize such development!"
9:18 AM, September 09, 2007
What's wrong with that? It keeps all that sewage from seeping back into the drinking water.
"What's wrong with that? It keeps all that sewage from seeping back into the drinking water."
Funny, how all those who would profit by forcing others onto sewers seem to play the same old record that our septic systems are somehow destroying the environment, when the bigest culprits dumping raw sewage locally are subdivisions, on sewer!
I would invite you and your family to picnic on top of my septic field!
" I would invite you and your family to picnic on top of my septic field!"
1:20 PM, September 09, 2007
The problem is not on top of the septic field, its the sewage seeping DOWN into the water.
Across the country, areas where septic systems are failing are where realtor/developers have been given free license to over-build crowded subdivisions utilizing septic systems!
3 or 4 houses on one acre, on septic systems, will always lead to septic system failure!
Any objective research comparing sewer vs. septic shows one is as good as the other!
Both systems need to be maintained!
Of course, that does not fit the agenda of some who would have the rest of us subsidize their development into rural areas!
The problem is not on top of the septic field, its the sewage seeping DOWN into the water.
Functioning septic systems do not "seep" they "filter!"
Just as treatment plants do not "seep" they "filter!"
Septic system land requirements get in the way of the "best bang for the buck" for developers though!
But that is their problem, not ours!
My septic system was built to service a four bedroom home.
We have four kids.
One is now married.
One is about to get married.
One is about to go away to college.
One child left.
Our septic system will out last my spouse and me, with regular maintence.
No need, Mr. Developer, to use your political connections to "save" me from my septic system and allow you, incidentally of course, to sewer your developments!
Our septic field is above one of our ponds, which a few years ago my daughter took a sample to test for a college biology course, it tested as healtly as pond water tests!
You would not want to drink it, because, well, it is pond water!
Our septic field is above one of our ponds, which a few years ago my daughter took a sample to test for a college biology course, it tested as healtly as pond water tests!
You would not want to drink it, because, well, it is pond water!
My home, on a 100+ acres, on septic or sewer, is going to produce far, far, far less polution and contaminates as a subivision on the same 100+ acres!
So, I'm doing our local environment, watershed and water table a favor by discouraging urban sprawl!
Apart from what development does to the habitat of local wildlife!
"The problem is not on top of the septic field, its the sewage seeping DOWN into the water."
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about! But, of course, you are probably one of the many uneducated public officials in this county, just parroting the "talking points" provided to you by your handlers!
"What's wrong with that? It keeps all that sewage from seeping back into the drinking water."
I know you are probably the type to not let "facts" get in your way"
BUT
You need to educate yourself on how anaerobic septic systems work!
"You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!"
Tell us how a septic system works.
Then evaporate like the effluent.
Laughing out Loud!
"Septic system land requirements get in the way of the "best bang for the buck" for developers though!"
Exactly, which is why developers so hate the fact that they cannot "cram" more "dense" development into rural areas!
Except, now of course, some have incubated the idea of "forcing" everyone onto their sewers to "enable" the developers' development, utilizing "lies" and "scare tactics" concerning the impact to the environment of septic systems!
Laughing out Loud!
That person, we all knew, who sat in the back of the class room, picking their nose, with no idea what was being taught, was you, was it not!
To repeat what someone wrote above:
You need to educate yourself on how anaerobic septic systems work!
"That person, we all knew, who sat in the back of the class room, picking their nose, with no idea what was being taught, was you, was it not!"
Why do you think this person gravitated to Real Estate!!!!!!!!!
Then evaporate like the effluent.
One gets the impression that your kind enjoys doing the "back-stroke" in any and every puddle and pool of effluence you happen upon!
Maybe, effluence is the base and very origin of your primordial and primeval roots and ancestry!
Do you imprint on all things stanky and skanky?
"That person, we all knew, who sat in the back of the class room, picking their nose, with no idea what was being taught, was you, was it not!"
Sammy knows every thing and if she doesn't she makes it up.
Now tell us how a septic system functions.
The effluent in a properly functioning septic system evaporates in the leach bed. The solids stay in the septic tank which should be pumped on a regular basis depending on size and solids in the influuent.
http://www.scitrav.com/wwater/sasspro/fraccalc.asp
Now you tell us. We're listening.
Laughing out Loud!"
The only thing left to post or scribble, for the slow of wit, lost without an answer or intelligent response!
How much "effluence" has been "dumped" into the environment via the sewers of High Ridge and HVL?
Two developer/environmental disasters on the local level!!!!!!!
What happened to the twit that thought those on septic systems just poured their waste into the nearest ravine or creek bed?
And these morons were in a position to take over this County!
Thanks to Sammy and Vera to waking up the citizens to this County as to both their ignorance and lack of ethical grounding!
There was undoubtly more like Vera and Sammy, waiting in the wings, to keep their kind fat and happy on the taxpayer's dollar!
Dissolve the DCRSD…
…permit Vera to move on…
…to ask if you want salt and catsup with those fries!
Anonymous said...
"The DCRSD is not about Development...it is about helping PEOPLE!"
V. Benning
"The problem is not on top of the septic field, its the sewage seeping DOWN into the water."
Let me guess, you are a member of the "FLAT-EARTHER" society?
Did Adam and Eve ride dinosaurs from one apple tree grove to another?
"How much "effluence" has been "dumped" into the environment via the sewers of High Ridge and HVL?"
Unfortunately, VRUC/HVL due to a sewer line break pumped over a MILLION gallons of sewage into Double Lick Creek over a 4-day period last weekend.
NEWS FLASH:
THE FLUSHING OF A COMMODE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM KILLS 5-9 HONOR STUDENTS PER FLUSH!!!
This message brought to you by your local Board of Realtors.
Unless and of course one of our local members of our local Board of Realtors is trying to sell you a home on a septic system!
"Unfortunately, VRUC/HVL due to a sewer line break pumped over a MILLION gallons of sewage into Double Lick Creek over a 4-day period last weekend."
Unfortunately hell!
Think of all those future realtors spawning amongst and among the rocks and ripples of Double Lick Creek!
DOUBLE LICK CREEK...
...NOW KNOWN AS...
...JUST "ONE LICK" CREEK WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!
"Think of all those future realtors spawning amongst and among the rocks and ripples of Double Lick Creek!"
IDEM reported that the ammonia level in the creek is so far off the chart (over 8) that nothing can live in the creek at this time, not even realtors.
Anyone for a picnic near the rocks and ripples of Double Lick Creek?
"What happened to the twit that thought those on septic systems just poured their waste into the nearest ravine or creek bed?"
She backed further into her hole, with her claws still extended outward!
Anyone for a picnic near the rocks and ripples of Double Lick Creek?
SHALL WE GATHER AT THE RIVER...THE ONCE BEAUTIFUL, THE ONCE BEAUTIFUL RIVER...
Remember, development benefits us all!
"IDEM reported that the ammonia level in the creek is so far off the chart (over 8) that nothing can live in the creek at this time, not even realtors."
Cull out a few more realtor/developers, then re-test and post your results!
Give the carp a chance!
In action the septic tank can be thought of as a political organization. The masses enter the tank (liquids and solids) by dropping through the inlet pipe/ baffle. The (lazy) heavier particles sink to the bottom (according to Stoke’s Law) and become the sludge, some particles, grease, and gas rises to the top of the liquid as the (leaders) scum. The main body of water circulates through the tank and then flows out the outlet pipe and baffle. This water is normally gray in color because of the fine particles that stay suspended (the silent majority) and are carried out to the leaching system.
Give the carp a chance!
At least you can bowfish carp and use their remains for fertilizer!
Bowfishing realtor/developers...you have to call a "HAZMAT" team to dispose of the carcasses!
In action the septic tank can be thought of as a political organization.
Then why do I always find myself scraping "Johnny Nugent" off my shoes?
" Then why do I always find myself scraping "Johnny Nugent" off my shoes?"
4:25 PM, September 09, 2007
Get your head out of your a** and watch where you step.
"The (lazy) heavier particles sink to the bottom (according to Stoke’s Law) and become the sludge..."
I thought the heavier particles became secretaries for the DCRSD or "muscle" for Jeff Bittner?
And the "A Asterisk Asterisk" still makes an "ASS" out of herself!
I thought the heavier particles became secretaries for the DCRSD or "muscle" for Jeff Bittner?
Speaking of Jeff Bittner, what is up with the perm?
Lets get back to the main issue.
Dissolving the DCRSD!
The sooner the better.
Why doesn't DCRSD just take over SDRSD, VRUC and all the other sewer systems by eminent domain?
"Why doesn't DCRSD just take over SDRSD, VRUC and all the other sewer systems by eminent domain?"
When the "Public Good" is redfined as "For The Enrichment Of A Few Realtor/Developers!"
Although, Rick Fox, Jeff Hughes and their mentor, Bob Ewbank already see "Realtor/Developers" as their only constituency!
"Dissolving the DCRSD!"
When the DCRSD is dissolved, their only legacy to show they ever existed would be the good deal the Board "cooked up" for fellow Board member, Rodney Dennerline and the hundred thousand or so they paid out to a local land title attorney to scheme away more dollars from existing home and property owners on functional septic systems and her blatant attempt to take over existing, functional and successful sewer districts, for the sole benefit of a few development interests who think they own this County!
Rick Fox nor Jeff Hughes never had an original thought in their entire lives, which is why they are left only with reading scripts written by their development masters!
"When the DCRSD is dissolved, their only legacy to show they ever existed would be the good deal the Board "cooked up" for fellow Board member, Rodney Dennerline and the hundred thousand or so they paid out to a local land title attorney to scheme away more dollars from existing home and property owners on functional septic systems and her blatant attempt to take over existing, functional and successful sewer districts, for the sole benefit of a few development interests who think they own this County!"
AMEN!
Now we need commissioners cooperation to "GIT IT DONE!"
"...for the sole benefit of a few development interests who think they own this County!"
Oh! I see you have already met John Maxwell!
A year or so back, some grandma had the audacity to put a sign in HER yard protesting HIS development...
...in HIS county mind you!!!!!!!
This grandma got off easy!!!!!!!
Maxwell left her discipline for some of HIS underlings in county government!!!!!!!
It could have been worse!!!!!!!
John Maxwell: "If somebody wants a fight, I can punch them in the mouth. Or I can walk."
Now we need commissioners cooperation to "GIT IT DONE!"
If two of the Commissioners squeak by in the next election, all we will be hearing from them is lamentations of "if we had not dissolved the DCRSD we would have development in growth in this county today!"
And what ever else is on the script before them!
Rick and Jeff's tongues would dissolve in their mouth's if they ever would utter the first word of questioning why should the DCRSD even exist if the SDRSD can do it all more efficiently and at much lower costs than the DCRSD can do, even after they force everyone around their sewers onto them!
The DCRSD has no treatment plant, no sewer lines, no infrastructure at all, nor have they any experience or skill in managing or administrating a sewer district...but the DCRSD has all the necessary qualities to be a “Developers’ Dream,” with their eager willingness to extort all the resources needed from the taxpayers and from those surrounding each and every Developer’s development or project, to subsidize any and all development, no matter the costs to the taxpayers of this County!
Any realtor/proponent of forcing sewers on the rest of us should refuse to list "ANY" home on a septic system...or just shut up!
"If two of the Commissioners squeak by in the next election, all we will be hearing from them is lamentations of "if we had not dissolved the DCRSD we would have development in growth in this county today!"
The USA economy, the housing finance downturn and the health of the gaming industry will have an effect on Dearborn county much greater than any pair of Dearborn County commissioners.
Those TWO commissioners are pawns that need not be commissioners.
There are "Fehrman" for sale signs on that very stretch of 50 where Fehrman, as a Board Member of the DCRSD, would force those very same homes onto the sewers of the DCRSD!
Do you think the Fehrmans are informing potential buyers of the potential costs they might have to incur if the DCRSD gets its way?
Here's a couple of direct quotes from VRUC mailings in October of 2005 to all VRUC members/residents signed by former (as of June 2007) VRUC President, Jerry Hacker.
October 10, 2005
.... "New sewage treatment options have recently become available and we are actively investigating. Some of you may be aware that the county is interested in taking over SDRSD (South Dearborn Regional Sewer District). The county has shown great interest in having VRUC join and negotiations with them are ongoing." .....
October 19, 2005 - CORRECTION from President, Jerry Hacker - (the following is the entire letter except for header and salutation)
...."In our October 10, 2005 letter, VRUC inadvertently stated that Dearborn County Regional Sewer District was interested in taking over South Dearborn Regional Sewer District.
The correct statement should have been, Dearborn Count Regional Sewer District is interested in taking Valley Rural Utilities waste water flow (not taking over South Dearborn Regional Sewer District).
We apologize for any confusion this may have caused." ....
Confusion - my A** -- DCRSD didn't think to tell Jerry Hacker that this was their 'secret', not public intent.
After this time, the public became involved in DCRSD's open meetings which greatly deterred their ability to proceed with their secret agenda.
John Maxwell: "If somebody wants a fight, I can punch them in the mouth. Or I can walk."
I vote for a combination of two of John's options he has offered us in the past:
"I CAN WALK AWAY WITH A GUN AND SHOOT MYSELF!"
This option would save us all the expense of remortgaging our homes to hook on to his sewers!
"The county has shown great interest in having VRUC join and negotiations with them are ongoing."
Translation:
"The realtor/developers controlling the DCRSD would like to "hook-up" with the realtor/developers controlling the VRUC...with the intention of extorting from both the residents of HVL and County residents in general, the resourses and funds to develop the County as we realtor/developers see fit!"
To date, it would seem, that the DCRSD and the VRUC exist only to profit a few attorneys!
"New sewage treatment options have recently become available and we are actively investigating."
"And good citizens of Hidden Valley Lake, we have managed a deal, at a bargain basement price of only 8 times the Greendale contract, without water of course!
Dear residents, you can thank me later!!!!!!!!"
THE VRUC IS ALWAYS IN YOUR DEBT, LITERALLY.
JERRY
P.S. Sammy gives her love!!!!!!!
Is it true that the County is in the process and course of renaming "Double Lick Creek" to "L. Parvin Price Slurry Way?"
L. PARVIN PRICE:
WHEN YOU WANT YOUR CUSTOMERS, NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS SCREWED BY THE BEST!
"Double Lick Creek":
Where deer wade through, only to come out "hoofless!!!!"
"Double Lick Creek":
Where fishermen are reporting the melting of fishing bobbers upon the first cast and splash!
"Double Lick Creek":
Where vertebrates are transformed into invertebrates just prior to exiting completely the ecosystem!
"Double Lick Creek":
Where neighorhood children wade and scream:
"IT BURNS! IT BURNS!"
Thank you, L. Parvin Price, your work is done here!!!
Say what you will about the VRUC, but...but for the VRUC monopolizing all of L. Parvin Price's billable time, he would have been on the streets, rolling old ladies for his "greens' fee money!
”Those TWO commissioners are pawns that need not be commissioners.”
Calling these two “pawns” is being charitable to say the least!
The “service” these two have been offering their development masters would leave the most infection resistant “pawns” exposed to a number of communicable diseases!
"Where vertebrates are transformed into invertebrates just prior to exiting completely the ecosystem!
Ecosystem?
These realtor/developers could care less about the "ecosystem," unless the grass at the golf courses they play and scheme at, begin to turn brown!
"Ecosystems" make a fine "underlayment" for blacktop and concrete!
Is it true that the County is in the process and course of renaming "Double Lick Creek" to "L. Parvin Price Slurry Way?"
A few enterprising realtor/developers should dam up Double Lick Creek and build a community surrounding it for young lovers...
...they could call their new development:
"THE LOVE CANAL!"
"The correct statement should have been, Dearborn Count Regional Sewer District is interested in taking Valley Rural Utilities waste water flow (not taking over South Dearborn Regional Sewer District)."
To take over the VRUC's waste water flow via the DCRSD's expansive sewer network?
It is almost "sport" to watch the "liars" in our County at work!
Just think how many people would have to be "forced" onto the DCRSD's grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines only to have enough capital and collateral to run a garden hose to HVL, alone and apart from a sewer system capable of the capacity required to handle HVL's waste water flow!
Notwithstanding Maxwell's foolish and arrogant bluster to the contrary!
Could it be that L. Parvin Price is now "counseling" the DCRSD concerning High Ridge Estates?
Maybe now, we can finally get rid of all that pesky "wildlife" inhabiting Hogan's Creek!!!
Maybe Sammy can get someone at High Ridge to vouch for High Ridge's surplus sewage capacity to accept Sammy's adjacent proposed subdivision:
HIGH PINES ESTATES!
L. Parvin Price:
The gift that keeps screwing you, to the tune of $20,000.00 a month!
I heard that L. Parvin Price was shopping around for another vacation home...
...beware citizens of High Ridge...
...he may need to use you all as a foil to foment some conflict between the DCRSD and SDRSD and Dillsboro…
…it is called “Rainmaking!”
Mike Hankins resigned!
So, who will take over the job of checking the vitals of John Maxwell, to verify if he is either brain dead, or just a bit "swollen" around the brain stem, the next time he raves about someone needing to "take a gun and shoot him" in response to his many fabrications?
Will the County now need to assign a "charge nurse" to John's case, to see to his care?
If so, who will foot the bill for John's Valium I.V. drip to soothe his nerves before each and every remaining (according to those in know, a very few) DCRSD meetings?
We will miss Mike Hankins, he never charged for his care given to John.
However, for some unknown and accountable reason, whenever Mike would "tend" to John, the County would receive a bill from Lisa Lehner for "Legal Overseeage Of Medicinal Providement!"
Lawyers do so much for us all!!!!!!
Ahhhh!!!
Lisa Lehner!!!
I still remember the first time Mr. Enzweiler and Mr. Pruss addressed her with a question!!!
She so sweetly turned her head and asked John Maxwell:
"I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO TELL THE "HELP" NOT TO TALK TO ME!!!"
Good times!!! Good times!!!
What did Lisa Lehner scream out, after being awoken from a sound nap during a DCRSD meeting?
”TAKE THE CHILDREN, BUT PLEASE LET ME LIVE!”
Ha! Ha!
What next?
Are you going to comment on the bumper sticker affixed to the rear bumper of a former commissioner's car that reads:
"I'D RATHER BE RIDING MY BROOM!!!!!!!!"
"I'D RATHER BE RIDING MY BROOM!!!!!!!!"
Is that next to the bumper sticker that reads:
"The DCRSD is not about Development...it is about helping PEOPLE!"
"You are sick, sick, sick."
So says one who would gladly bankrupt our neighbors to make a buck!
Would this person speak up against those who would do worse than post a few words on a blog?
Like those who would use their political connections to steal from others?
Of course not!
They need to keep up the fiction of somehow, in the end, as long as a realtor or developer profits...we all profit!
Even if it causes some non-realtors and developers to lose their homes!
Funny, when realtor/developers own the process, they are so easily able to rationalize their bad deeds into something glorious, magnanimous and high-minded!
To the point they give each other awards for their bad deeds, all dressed up in the clothes of “doing the public good!”
Ask the family living to the North of you and the family living living to the South of you and the family living to the East of you and the family living to the West of you...if they would feel better about their County, if someone would build an industrial park or a few subdivisions nearby?
Apparently, all our neighbors want our County to look like West Chester, according to some of our local, hungry developers!
And it must be true, why would these developers lie?
Apparently, all of Fox and Hughes' neighbors absolutely hate the fact that this County has remained mostly rural and has not "caught up" with the likes of Northern Kentucky!
Everyone those two seem to know have failing septic systems and have no job that is not within 3 minutes of their homes!
All those aquainted with Fox and Hughes are besides themselves in anger it is taking so long for the DCRSD to offer up their grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines out in their neck of the woods!
All their neighbors just do not understand why more tax dollars are not used to support our local realtors/developers/bankers/lawyers!
At least that is the sense you get from listening to Fox and Hughes!
At least that is the sense you get from listening to Fox and Hughes!
Yeah!!! Almost everything Rick and Jeff say is EXACTLY what development interests have been telling us for years! POINT after POINT after POINT! Those two must really have their fingers on the pulse of the citizens of this County!
Or, at least, those two have got their fingers in somebody's pockets!!!
Who is calling those two commissioner pawn?
Is it the excommissioner who pawned
everything including the taxpayers
money on the credit card to pay his bills If the shoe fits ware it.
And that commissioner is gone.
And the commissioner who did her best to give away this county to developers is gone!
And the two "pawns" will soon be gone!
Let us just hope that when they leave office they exhibit more grace than the last commissioner!
We all would be forced on sewers to subsidize development but for Thompson being elected as a commissioner!
Even though the DCRSD was created "to help people, it is not about development!"
Some need choke on their own lies!
We all would be forced on sewers to subsidize development but for Thompson being elected as a commissioner!
Remember, Fox is getting countless calls, clamoring to be "forced" onto sewers!
From Fehrman and from Maxwell and from Dennerline and from Tucker and from Linkmeyer and from Gutzwiller and from Bittner and especially from Andres...
Batta used poor judgment, acted criminally and he was seen to and he is now gone!
However, how much money did he finally cost the taxpayers of this County?
How much would just "one" taxpayer have to "lose" after having been forced onto the "pro-development" commissioners' masters' sewers?
How much has the taxpayer paid for other "pro-development" schemes, such as the DCEDI and Vieste?
If Benning, et al, were still completely in charge of this county, who would fight for the poor home and property owners forced to remortgage their properties to pay for all the glorious "development" that would occur if others were forced to subsidize such?
Perspective can be a real bitch, can it not?
Dan Batta was a democrat!
When Vera Benning, a republican, lost to Thompson, another republican, she immediately encouraged and supported a democrat, whose only qualification is that he would further give away this county to developers, to run against the republican Thompson!
Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes supported the democrat, whose only qualification is that he would further give away this county to developers, over republican Thompson!
What does that tell you about the "OLD GUARD" and their priorities and feelings, accordingly, to rank and file republican voters, who voted for Thompson in both the primary and in the general election!
One thing it should tell you, is that their "DEVELOPMENT MASTERS" received a great value in return for their 30 pieces of silver!
Read you manual, then comment
you are way off.
Let us not lose sight of the fact, that Linkmeyer, was and still is a "Developer!"
Whenever the "Development Interests" of Dearborn County get below 98% of those in control of Dearborn County, they get very "nervous," if not "desperate!"
So weak is their moral and ethical standing!!!
If only "Development Interests" did not do their damnest to force the rest of us to finance and subsidize their "dreams" and "expensive cars" and "second homes" and "mistresses," these "Development Interests" would still be in control of this county!
But they just kept trying to "bulldoze" that camel through the eye of that needle!!!
"Read you manual, then comment
you are way off."
There exists a "manual" on the proper conduct of bilking the Dearborn County Taxpayer?
Let me guess, the forward is written by Bob Ewbank and his homelier twin, Lisa Lehner...with Vera Benning providing blurb:
"I'M NOT A READER...BUT I LOVE THE WAY THIS MANUAL LAYS OUT THE BEST WAYS TO STICK MY NEIGHBORS WITH MANY OF THE COSTS NEEDED BY MY MASTERS TO DEVELOP...DEVELOP...DEVELOP!"
"Read you manual, then comment
you are way off."
I'm thinking you have mistakenly posted on a site that is not about "TV Remote FAQs!"
However, my 2 cents, hire one of those "helper monkeys" to tend to all of your remotes and to provide the occasional tutorial on their uses for you and your spawn!
What manual?
When the "rank and file" republicans voted against Benning, they were saying, INDIVIDUALLY:
"DELIVER ME FROM THE WORKERS OF INIQUITY"
And her response WAS:
"HOW DARE YOU!!!"
"HOW DARE YOU!!!"
Was it even possible for her to utter everyone of the syllables required of the above phrase within the time of her loss and her dialing of Frank Linkmeyer's number?
What manual?
The one where Fox and Hughes keep dumping the clutch!!!!!
It has always been my understanding the Rick and Jeff could not shift from one gear to another without a directive from Bob Ewbank, or Jim West, when Bob is away looking for another Democrat or two, to run in the place of his Republican stock,if they should founder!!!!!!!!
"Was it even possible for her to utter everyone of the syllables required of the above phrase within the time of her loss and her dialing of Frank Linkmeyer's number?"
Vera's legacy...in Dearborn County politics...for what...the abject and empty admiration of the Lisa Lehners and the John Maxwells of this community?
Sad.
Hughes and Fox...simply incompetent and uneducated.
MAXWELL IS A SUCESS STORY ON HIS OWN HE DOESNT NEED PEOPLE LIKE THIS BLOG PRODUCES HIDING BEHIND
THEIR COMMENTS WITH NO NAME.
I agree. You people that are against everything are just looking out for yourself.
Quit giving us the "we are looking out for taxpayers, open meetings, let the the public be heard".
Quit giving us the "we are looking out for taxpayers, open meetings, let the the public be heard".
As you shut down public comment at public meetings, set-up, members only, secret societies such as the DCEDI, using taxpayer money to plan how you want the rest of us to subidize your business interests!
As you look out for your fellow republicans by spitting in their face when they do not support YOUR candidate.
And please!!!
Quit acting like your interests are simply for the public health as you try to force sewers on the rest of us to promote YOUR development!
And if Maxwell is such a success story, then he should not need me to get a loan to pay for his sewers or to drum up business for him by forcing the taxpayer to support the DCEDI, Vieste and the like!
In fact, if he was such a success story, he would not need to be on the Board of the DCRSD, conspiring and scheming to find ways to get the taxpayer to subsidize his development!
If Maxwell was such a success story, High Ridge would have their sewers fixed, Dennerline would be out on his ass and the rest of the County would not distain what the DCRSD has become!
"I'M NOT A READER...BUT I LOVE THE WAY THIS MANUAL LAYS OUT THE BEST WAYS TO STICK MY NEIGHBORS WITH MANY OF THE COSTS NEEDED BY MY MASTERS TO DEVELOP...DEVELOP...DEVELOP!"
Is there another industry in Dearborn County that relys so heavily on political connections and finding ways to "STICK IT" to the taxpayer to profit, as the realtor/developer industry???
Apart from land title attorneys!!!
This blog would wither on the vine and die but for all the fertilizer produced by our local realtors/developers/bankers/lawyers!
Maxwell:
"If SDRSD was standing with DCRSD, they would have the power to garner a 'Yes'. Before we were standing alone. There's power with SDRSD and DCRSD, then IDEM won't stand in the way."
Maybe, just maybe, John, if you were not so hell-bent on taking over "ALL" the local sewer districts, to support your individual and personal agenda, things could have gotten done!
But for all the "WHAT IF's" in life!
And of course, the DCRSD showed up a day late and a dollar short!!!
"If Maxwell was such a success story, High Ridge would have their sewers fixed, Dennerline would be out on his ass and the rest of the County would not distain what the DCRSD has become.""
The DCRSD has proven to be the "WATERLOO" moment for many of our self-proclaimed, self-ordained, "Movers and Shakers" of Dearborn County!
Our local realtors and developers and their lackys in local government:
FIGHTING HARD FOR YOU FOR DUPLICATION OF SERVICES AND HIGHER UTILITY RATES!
Did DCRSD get sewer capacity from SDRSD? The DCRSD board was to ask at yesterdays SDRSD meeting. What happened?
Did anyone from DCRSD contact Aurora or IDEM about the ability to transport High Ridge sewage through Aurora to SDRSD?
According to the Blog, Baer was to contact IDEM and one of the board Fehrman/Baer/Dennerline or Maxwell were to contact Aurora.
Any news on this issue?
It would be nice to see High Ridge become a priority once again! Instead of just being used by a few to back-door their developments onto the High Ridge fix! Further, any "fix" should not entail forcing neighbors of High Ridge into "great" debt to "fix" this problem! Dillsboro seems to in the better position to take care of this problem! But, again it would seem the DCRSD is grasping at any and all plans to still work in sewering other developments so far away from existing infrastructure!
"Quit giving us the "we are looking out for taxpayers, open meetings, let the the public be heard"."
As the pro-development politicos have given up looking out for the taxpayers and shutting down public discourse, unless those speaking are realtors and developers?
I want to let you all know that there is a secret meeting scheduled to plot out development.
Can't tell you where or what time because it's secret.
"Can't tell you where or what time because it's secret. "
If you know about the meeting,it's far from SECRET!
Hence, the secret meetings don't exist. It is all a figment of the anti's conspiracy frame of minds.
There doesn't seem to be any support for the DCRSD therefore if there is any special meeting, it'll probably be to discuss dissolving the DCRSD to save face of the developers and realtor on the board.
When can I show up for the next DCEDI meeting?
You know, like all those "public" meetings they had concerning the NW Quadrant that everyone was invited to?
You remember the NW Quadrant!
Where you arrogant SOBs made absolute fools of yourselves!
You know, when you guys thought you ran the entire county!
What about that "public" meeting where our local republican leadership decided to support a democrat, because the republican rank and file's choice would not where the requiste development kneepads?
And of course, we all remember that "public" meeting where everyone was invited, when the DCRSD went from a mere entity to fix High Ridge Estates's sewer mess, to a major regional concern, tasking itself with taking over all things sewage related, because the existing sewer utilities would not permit the extortion of Dearborn County Citizens to pay for the development of every piece of farmland a few DCRSD Board members could lay their hands on!!!
And Lord knows how many off the record little chit-chats have taken place between the DCEDI and Development interests and two of our County Commissioners!
Funny, how Jeff Hughes "wrote" (sarcasm off) his last editorial parroting the DCEDI talking points days before the Jim West was to come before the Commissioners concerning more funding!
Or the last Commissioners' Meeting where Fox touched on a number of "Development's" talking points...as if Maxwell had his hand up Rick's "arse" manipulating Rick's jaw muscles!
"...as if Maxwell had his hand up Rick's "arse" manipulating Rick's jaw muscles!"
Think about the relaxation techniques Rick must practice to permit both Maxwell and Ewbank, contemporaneously, to work their manipulation magic in such closer quarters!
And let us not even consider the contortions that took place when Lisa Lehner was working her favorite puppet!!!
"There doesn't seem to be any support for the DCRSD therefore if there is any special meeting, it'll probably be to discuss dissolving the DCRSD to save face of the developers and realtor on the board."
Because the honest politicians, board members and others involved in the county process, woke up to the fact that those "persons" the DCRSD were going to "bankrupt" to pay for their sewers, were these very same officials' neighbors, friends and family!!!!!!!!!
Not a few willing "suckers" who stumble into "OUR" boat moored in Lawrenceburg!!!!!!!!!!!
incompetent and uneducated...
"I WOULD RATHER BE RIDING MY BROOM"
MY BUMPER STICKER SAYS "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" CAN YOU CAR STILL HOLD A BUMPER STICKER?
MY BUMPER STICKER SAYS "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" CAN YOU CAR STILL HOLD A BUMPER STICKER?
I dedicated 6 years of my life to the military!
How about yourself?
It seems we have a number of enemies stateside willing to steal from our neighbors to subsidize their developments!
I spent 22 years in the military.
Could I have just invested in a bumper sticker to take credit for my "service" to my Country, without all that time served?
Although, even a seasoned veterans could not garner enough sympathy for forgiveness relative to what some developers are trying to pull off locally!!!!!!!
"Could I have just invested in a bumper sticker to take credit for my "service" to my Country, without all that time served?"
Talk, like bumper stickers, are cheap in this county!
Especially if all your talk is backed up with the coerced dollars of your neighbors!
Don't you just love the fact that those who would try to profit on our "service" to our Country, have never worn the "Uniform?"
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