4 September 2007 Dearborn County Commissioner Meeting Notes
Meeting Notes provided by Helen Kremer
Logan Township
Present: Hughes, Chairman, Fox, and Thompson
Also Present: Pickens, Auditor, Ewbank, Attorney, and Messmore,
Administrator, and a uniformed police officer were present.
Harrison Fire/EMS contract
Hughes stated today he talked to Chief Herzog, they were getting the budget together, and wanted to know if we were going to sign the contract for their assistance for West Harrison, Kelso and Logan townships. Hughes stated they were considering taking it over ourselves. Hughes talked to the chief at Bright, and the chief said it was tough to do right now. Hughes said he had to check with St. Leon, New Trenton. Looking at response time, the issue is would there be the same response time.
Hughes said the contract with Harrison is for three years, and we should table or go ahead and sign the contract. Fox asked if we could terminate after one year. Thompson asked if there was a term clause in the contract. Thompson moved to table until we have more information. All voted in favor of waiting until Hughes gets back with more information.
Ratification of NO Burn Emergency Proclamation
Bill Black of Emergency Management stated that several fire chiefs asked to put in a No Burn Code. Black said that Ewbank told him only the Governor can declare, we can declare a No Burn, but it will have no teeth in it. Black said the fire chiefs asked for it and it has been done in the past. Ewbank said that if each chief in his own district wants to he can, it will be an infraction. It is up to each individual fire chief. Black stated a proclamation makes people aware. Greendale did not sign-off on fireworks.
Thompson said we can declare, why not continue as we have. Thompson moved that they sign on with the No Burn policy, and continue as we have. Fox seconded, all agreed.
Ron Wullenweber – Property Assessments
Wullenweber gave his name and address. He lives in Dover and has been a lifelong resident of Dearborn County, which he has enjoyed up to this point.
He received his reassessment (on his property), and is frustrated. He was a board member of the South Dearborn School District, and school corporations had to borrow $600,000 to keep teachers behind desks.
Wullenweber received a tax bill of 64,000 in assessment. He then read from the Notice of Assessment of Land and Structures, ‘Using annual adjustments, assessors will adjust or “trend” property values every year to reflect market values of property.’ He has had his house appraised.
Wullenweber asked, “Where is the riverboat gaming money? We all voted, those in Guilford, Dover, Logan, even up to Penntown for riverboat gambling, but other areas control the purse strings.” He is concerned that Dover, St. Leon, Logan are not getting their fair share, while Lawrenceburg has a two-million dollar clock. Lawrenceburg has a big stash of money, they even hired a lobbyist so the state can keep their fingers off of it, all this while some schools in Dearborn County are cutting teachers, enlarging classes. Wullenweber was surprised people are not concerned about these matters, and are not filling these seats. He worked in Norwood for 32 years, and the company “went belly-up”, and to get a good job he is working in Louisville. He may have to move out of the county.
Ten million went to Greensburg, why not have a light industrial park, so we do not have to drive out of the county for work, there is McPherson and Franks in Sunman. We are not getting our fair share. Sunman Dearborn schools have debt, while Lawrenceburg gives $2,000 to students toward higher education. If those in Dover, St. Leon, New Alsace did not vote for riverboat gaming, there would be no statues, sidewalks, streets, or a two million dollar clock in Lawrenceburg.
Fox said it is the short-sidedness of those who are anti-everything that causes people to leave this county to get jobs. Fox said he receives calls from people who have septic systems to be replaced, or their homes will be condemned, and they can’t put in another septic system. Fox continued when you vote to be anti-everything you can’t fix roads, there are inflationary costs, have to get heads out of the sand. Phones start ringing when people get their tax bills. He and Jeff knew it was coming.
Wullenweber discussed the housing market in the country, and knew of a place in Indianapolis that had 18 framing crews and now they are down to 1. Property values are depressed.
Thompson said we are in a cyclical downturn, but Dearborn County isn’t as bad as other areas, in Cincinnati they are down 15%, while Dearborn County is down 1%.
Wullenweber continued that all these other entities voted for the riverboat, people were sold a bill of goods. It is difficult to get out of Rt. #1, if you decide to go to WalMart it takes 30-40 minutes. There is no help on property tax, schools are not receiving help, and we pay these lobbyists to keep fingers off of it. Help should come to all the people of Dearborn County who voted, not just Lawrenceburg.
Hughes said that if we would have hired Vieste we would have the infrastructure. We need to bring some kind of (industry), but don’t have any place to put them. Hughes continued that in Lafayette they have Subaru, and have $25 an hour jobs. They have dropped property taxes, and pay for EMS.
Thompson said no tax abatements.
Hughes said it is a shell game, either property tax or income tax, just shift to another group. We need to bring in more assessed value—manufacturing area.
Fox said we also have to cut spending.
Pickens told Wullenweber that riverboat money was spent for the courthouse renovation, at the sum of 4.4 million, so a bond issue was not needed. He told him he could come in anytime to discuss this issue.
Ewbank talked about the history of the riverboat. Pickens said that the issue passed narrowly, and the rural areas voted it down, while the cities voted for the riverboat, and it only passed by 100+ votes. Pickens continued that they have archives of this information available.
4. Emergency Management – Bill Black
The Grant agreement needed signatures , which is reimbursement for 1/2 of salaries, and part of benefits (about 13%). The amount was $40,604.65. Rick Fox motioned to sign, all ayes.
5. Prosecutor’s Department – Aaron Negangard
Signature for ongoing grant program
No one presented. The Commissioners had a copy of the grant and Ewbank reviewed it. It was for about $199,000. Thompson moved for Hughes to sign the grant contract. Fox seconded and Hughes signed.
6. Contract Signature for Dillsboro EMS
Thompson requested to table until next meeting. Thompson spoke to Scott Fortner, Manager of Dillsboro. There has been difficulty in providing a response, calls going to other units. Pickens said they need financial records with contract.
Motion was made to table until next meeting. Motion passed.
7. Planning and Zoning – Mark McCormack – proposed text amendment to the Subdivision Control Ordinance
. Article 3, Table 3.1 – Street Classification & Requirements
. Article 5, Section 500 – Construction Inspections & Fees
. Appendices A-D – Construction standards regarding streets, curbs & gutters,
sidewalks, and driveways.
McCormack stated that on July 9, 2007, Planning Commission members met. There were eight members, and they unanimously approved all of the above. McCormack discussed Article 5 first, Sec. 500, one sentence at the bottom of the third paragraph referenced other appendices, with reference to the Indiana Department of Transportation.
Also, instead of prequalified IN contractors, all construction should be by IN bonded, authorized to do business.
Hughes questioned the matter of three days notification by developers to Dearborn County Engineering. McCormack explained that they have to keep us informed throughout inspection, contractor has to subgrade and have testing data complete to monitor. Hughes asked why not 24 hours, do they have to layoff people?
Todd Listerman, County Engineer joined and said that should not be an issue, they should keep us informed. Hughes asked if that is not a hindrance. Thompson said three days is not a hindrance. Listerman stated they have to keep us informed.
Ewbank asked if this was Ordinance was published, and McCormack said it should have been, they were notified in July. Thompson motioned to accept. Fox seconded motion. All approved, motion passed. The amended text to Section 500—all ayes—approved.
McCormack said regarding Appendices A-D, completely remove 40 pages and replace them. McCormack explained they are trying to reference INDOT manual, which condensed ours to 4-6 pages. Listerman stated that we have to follow the most recent INDOT specifications, and they are all on the Internet. McCormack said we have footnotes where current the INDOT manual can be obtained. Discussion followed regarding Article 3, 3.1, and Appendices.
Hughes asked if anyone wanted to speak to this public hearing (regarding the Subdivision Control Ordinance changes). No response. Rick Fox motioned to close hearing. Thompson said we accept Article 3, Table 3.1, and Appendices A-D, Fox seconded, Motion passed.
McCormack said at the next Plan Commission Meeting the first land use draft will be presented. There are copies of this draft at all four libraries in Dearborn County, for citizen review.
8. Transportation Department – Todd Listerman -
Update.
Hughes said before starting asked status of Sparta Rd., old 350, was it not turned over and accepted by city commissioners. Listerman said there are slip areas and the cost of funding, what benefit? We would have trouble funding.
Fox said we have to be careful, we have trouble keeping up with our funding.
Hughes asked about contracts for Tower Rd. Listerman said it will be done.
Listerman said he had a meeting regarding George St. Bridge, a double whipple, iron truss. If everything goes according to schedule it will be ready before Farmers Fair of 2009. They had to work with the City of Aurora to remove existing sidewalk, and will put in a wider sidewalk on the north side.
Fox asked about Collier Ridge and the drilling contractor, what was the rough estimate? Listerman said it will be close to $300-400,000 to fix the road. They talked to Barth Engineering, Greensburg, for a feasibility study, and a long-term solution.
Listerman said the OKI cement fund is $400-500,000, and he wants to have a meeting with Ohio DOT, INDOT, and OKI to talk about getting an Artemus (sp.?) system for 275—having two cameras and two message boards, to inform people going from 50 to 275 if there are accidents, to go west. This will make us part of the Artemis system. They are putting boards on I-74 into I-75. No schedule with INDOT on 275, the earliest could be 2011, or 2014. If we use the cement funds maybe we can have the system in a year or so.
Hughes asked about traffic signals. Listerman said going to 350, it cuts you off at Walnut. Traffic signals are not on time, interconnected loop system is not computerized. It is based on traffic, traffic through midday—according to Cox, Lawrenceburg – Wilson Creek, George St., etc. are on an interconnected system.
Thompson said from McDonald’s west to old 48, not wired yet.
Hughes asked about Federal grants. Listerman said he is trying to get all the players together to try and write the grant for the Artemis system. Listerman said the STP funds have $400,000 in account to use on consulting for Stateline Rd. and Jamison project. They need to process the necessary information, We need to get funds and move to get it done, it is on our top five. We want to do what is the most beneficial.
9 & 10. Cary Pickens – Personnel - Claims/Minutes
Personnel matters: 1) Visitors in the workplace. Human Resources state policy is against it—but there are instances, such as snow days, etc. Hughes said this is a place of business. Fox stated you can’t take your kids to the workplace. Thompson said that if that is the policy, it should be followed. All agreed.
2) Computer work at home. Human Resources against policy, we don’t have one
now, but there are stipulations to be met, and verify that children are taken to a day
care center, logging on and off at certain times. Lots of folks would like it. Are you going to put something in place to allow it, or don’t want to get it started. Thompson said government offices need to be open to the public, and that can’t happen at home. All agreed no work at home.
Minutes: Pickens said there were two sets of minutes, one for the Executive session. Fox didn’t vote at the 8/7/07 meeting, the second is the 8/21/07 corrections. Thompson moved to approve the 8/7/07 minutes, Hughes seconded. Fox abstained. Motion passed. Thompson motioned to approve the 8/21/07 as amended, Fox seconded. Hughes wanted it to say summation not verbatim. Thompson said no problem, and moved to approve the 8/21/07 Commissioner Meeting summation meeting as amended. Fox seconded. Motion passes.
Claims: Justice Center roof claim is $78,500, York and Kuhe Roofing. Motion was to approve. Thompson asked him to hold until documentation received.
11. Bryan Messmore
Messmore wanted to remind everyone that the Rural Office of Community Affairs and Hometown Competitiveness and Rise 2020 will be at the next meeting. There should be several people here. There will be Soil and Water, Park Department, and boards from our community to review these programs.
Messmore stated will be a fire drill next Friday, September 14, for the Administration Building and the Court House buildings. It will be coordinated with the Fire Department, and we will be graded.
Pickens then said he had two more items to discuss. Since the Vieste contract was terminated, shouldn’t the Level 5 Engineering aspect for North Dearborn Road be terminated?
Thompson said Todd Listerman wants to speak.
Hughes said we had a contract with Vieste, and we may be in breach of the contract.
Ewbank said the attorneys for Vieste are looking for the letter.
Thompson asked Ewbank if he was working on the letter regarding the forced hookups.
Ewbank said he would talk to him after the meeting.
Hughes said there are no hookups, is there an Ordinance on that. Thompson said we are working on it. Fox said we have to cross the "t's". Thompson added we have to do it right.
Listerman commented on the person in charge of Vieste working on capital improvements, Dick Robinson, he no longer works for Vieste. Level 5 is a subsidiary of Vieste, a separate department. There is no problem with the engineering, and it is not related. The firm is a qualified firm, and to stop the design and hire someone will take multiple years. We don’t want to jeopardize the project.
Fox said we won’t change. Thompson agreed. Hughes said stick with Level 5 engineering.
Motion to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
Helen Kremer
Logan Township
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Fox said he receives calls from people who have septic systems to be replaced, or their homes will be condemned, and they can’t put in another septic system.
And the realtor/developer, bought and paid for shill, reads off the index cards provided to him by his masters!
Is an "editorial" written for him to soon be placed in the local papers?
Anti-everything, condensed down, are those folks who do not want to subsidize the profits of the politically connected!
Let us all guess...those folks having "septic tank" problems are situated near a proposed subdivision?
Our realtor/developer flunkies have gone from laughable to pathetic!
A couple of industrial parks would certainly change the tide of folks traveling to their jobs elsewhere!
They would permit a few less realtors and developers from getting second jobs in the city!
And of course, we must protect our realtor/developers from the harshness of a market based economy!
Hughes said that if we would have hired Vieste we would have the infrastructure.
What infrastructure?
All Vieste did was to conspire in private with a handful of like-minded individuals to piss off an entire community in the NW Quadrant!
Short of bringing in the State National Guard to move folks off their land, what was their great "plan" for infrastructure improvement?
"Short of bringing in the State National Guard to move folks off their land, what was their great "plan" for infrastructure improvement?"
One weapon in their great plan was to permit a few "politically connected" developers to buy rural farm land, at rural farm land prices, and have their operatives in local government, rezone the land to commercial/industrial!
Vieste should not have been fired, they should have been led away in handcuffs!
Thompson asked Ewbank if he was working on the letter regarding the forced hookups.
Ewbank said he would talk to him after the meeting.
Translation:
YADDA!!! YADDA!!! YADDA!!! SCRATCH MY ASS, UNTIL AFTER THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS!!!
EWBANK IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR UNETHICAL LAWYERS!!!
EWBANK IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR UNETHICAL (REDUNDANT) LAWYERS!!!
regarding the forced hookups
But! But! But! That would queer Brett Fehrman's subdivision...
...he was relying on forcing everyone he could on his grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines, to help pay for his sewers, to make his parents proud of him...
...finally!
"He and Jeff knew it was coming."
Two brains!
Two amps of brain power!
Maybe two brain cells, combined!
"Two amps of brain power!"
Amps kill, nothing near that strength present between these two!!!
Two volts, that is the flow, at best, these two brainiacs can muster!!!
Rick and Jeff would "SAVE" Dearborn County Citizens by forcing them out of the way of any and all developers who might need their land for their respective business ventures! Rick and Jeff should have "Red Lights" in front of any commmercial enterprise they may be practicing their trades!!!!!!!!!!! Their street corner vocations may leave them with bugs, viruses and other ailments, that may leave them even more unfit for public office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simply put, it's just laughable what comes out of Hughes and Fox. Two words sum up my thoughts of these two...incompetence and uneducated.
"All Vieste did was to conspire in private with a handful of like-minded individuals to piss off an entire community in the NW Quadrant!"
Was not Brett Fehrman even involved in this mess?
He seems to have more crooked tentacles than an ethically challeged octopus!
Two words sum up my thoughts of these two...incompetence and uneducated.
Now you went and perturbed the Federated Union of the "Incompetent and the Undeducated" for comparing their members to such low-lifes as Hughes and Fox!!!!!!!!!
"Was not Brett Fehrman even involved in this mess?
He seems to have more crooked tentacles than an ethically challeged octopus!"
Brett doing the only thing he knows how to do to make a buck...always at someone else's expense!
Fox said he receives calls from people who have septic systems to be replaced, or their homes will be condemned, and they can’t put in another septic system.
Let me guess, they are begging you to be hooked onto Brett's sewers?
Just what pictures does Brett have of Rick Fox doing what?
May I advance the thought of YUK...YUK...YUK!!!!!!!!!
"Fox said it is the short-sidedness of those who are anti-everything that causes people to leave this county to get jobs. Fox said he receives calls from people who have septic systems to be replaced, or their homes will be condemned, and they can’t put in another septic system. Fox continued when you vote to be anti-everything you can’t fix roads, there are inflationary costs, have to get heads out of the sand. Phones start ringing when people get their tax bills. He and Jeff knew it was coming."
If building everywhere is the answer, why are the folks in Indianapolis, with all their industry, being taxed out of their homes?
And these people that can't fix their systems can spend $20,000, $30,000 0r $40,000 to connect?
The roads are fixed by gasoline tax and gambling money, not property taxes!
The reassessment of our property raises the value of the property in accordance with the effects of inflation, to offset inflationary costs. When houses are added, the greatly increased cost of services (over the revenue they provide from taxes), swamps the increases provided by reassessment and will eventually require increased tax rates as well.
He and Jeff knew it was coming, probably because they have aided it's coming. The "anti-everything" people have not been in control, so how can they be responsible? The development group has been adding more residential development to greatly increase the deficit spending.
The development group has been adding more residential development to greatly increase the deficit spending.
I thought residential development would pay for such items as a new jail, etc.?
Didn't some light in the loafers realtor/developer make such claim as to the benefits of his subdivision, apart and above the costs to those surrounding his subdivision forced to hook up to his sewers at bankrupting costs?
And these people that can't fix their systems can spend $20,000, $30,000 0r $40,000 to connect?
Please do not direct such question to Rick Fox!
His limited "Brain Housing Group" may explode...spattering his retarded twin, Jeff Hughes!
And we all thought that Vera was the second most intellectually challenged of this trio!!!!!!!!
"He and Jeff knew it was coming."
Two dressed up monkeys dancing to the tune of their realtor/developer "Organ Grinder's" barrel organ!
And as Winston Churchill once stated:
"Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room!"
Hey Rick and Jeff!!!
Maybe we could build a few industrial parks to provide second, if not third jobs for those forced into thousands upon thousands of dollars in debt due to being forced to hook-up to local realtor/developers' sewers?
You know, Rick and Jeff, those realtor/developers who pull all of your strings!!!
"And these people that can't fix their systems can spend $20,000, $30,000 0r $40,000 to connect?"
Plus the costs of replacing their $5,000.00 grinder pumps every few years?
Plus the costs of endlessly increasing sewer rates as developers over-tax current and proposed sewer treatment plants with their unrestrained development of Farm Land, as they force others to hook-up and subsidize their sprawl?
"The "anti-everything" people have not been in control, so how can they be responsible?"
Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes add another entire dimension to stupid!
Remember folks!
Forcing your families to subsidize our local developers at costs upward of $50,000.00 per family, is for your families' benefit, not the benefit of a few corrupt and politically connected developers!!!!!!!
Or so reads the realtor/developer talking points mouthed by two of their trained monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!
"Fox said we also have to cut spending."
Unless it is throwing OUR tax dollars at the DCEDI and Vieste...or any other realtor/developer benevolent societies!!!
One way to stimulate our local economy is to hire more local attorneys to sue our local citizens onto our local developers' sewers!
Problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes add another entire dimension to stupid!
Hand-picked politicians of the DCEDI crowd!
No one with more than a GED need apply for the DCEDI's political endorsement!
Smart monkeys are too hard to retrain!
The costs of sewers was one governor to control unrestrained development and urban sprawl. Now, with in-office, in-pocket politicians such as Fox and Hughes, willing to force anyone and everyone onto developers' sewers, their is absolutely nothing stopping crooks such as Fehrman from buying farm land, miles from existing infrastructure, knowing their "bo bo's" in public office will gladly extort whatever revenues from surrounding home and property owners, needed for our local, dishonest realtors and developers!
I for one was glad to see that the commissoners tabled the contract for Harrison Fire & Dillsboro EMS.
There are some major issues with ems in this county that are not being provided. There are way to many runs that are being missed in this county. Someone is going to die before our commissoners see the light. Our volunteers are just not able to do the job on a 24/7 status. This county gives each ems unit 12,000 dollars per unit per year to operate on. plus a small token of riverboat money each year. That has been cut over the years to fund the jail and court house. The contract for harrison starts out the first year around 80,000/yr and the third year is over 90,000/yr. If the ems and fire depts in this county would get that kind of money they could provide pay personell for around the clock coverage. Pickens should know how bad it is just ask him how many runs his fire and ems units make in manchester twp.
"Hand-picked politicians of the DCEDI crowd!"
Bob Ewbank has been often overheard praising Rick and Jeff!
Ewbank claims that both "man-servants" who have ever worked for himself and for the benefit of his land title business!!!
He does miss his former "servant," Vera...
...honest elections make him so mad!!!
"Ewbank claims that both these boys are the best "man-servants" who have ever worked for himself and for the benefit of his land title business!!!
There, fixed!
"The contract for harrison starts out the first year around 80,000/yr and the third year is over 90,000/yr."
What we need is a dozen more subdivisions to keep these EMTs and Firemen busy!
We would not want them to get all fat and lazy!
Maybe after Brett finds a way to sue Dillsboro into sewering his subdivision, he could add another count to his suit to force Dillsboro to upgrade their Fire EMT departments!
At Dillsboro's expense of course!
"Maybe after Brett finds a way to sue Dillsboro into sewering his subdivision, he could add another count to his suit to force Dillsboro to upgrade their Fire EMT departments!"
And of course, "HIS" attorney will bill "US", the "TAXPAYERS," to provide legal extortion for the benefit of Brett and his development friends!
Here is a solution.
All of the three commissioners meet on a three day retreat and develop an economic fiscal plan to provide a positve economic impact to the county. Present this plan to the Mayor of Lawrenceburg and City Council. Go for 20 Million. It appears that there is a constant milling around on the issues and nothing gets done. I believe Lawrenceburg will help but there has to be plan and it must not be a public hearing process that goes on forever. Another words get it done.
I just wanted to know with all the talk on forced hook ups, has this actually happened yet? Or is this all just talk. Has anyone in this county been forced to hook up to sewers? And if they have been forced to hook up was the sewer put in place to serve a new subdivision?
Another [sic] words get it done.
Unless our local development faction can control the entire process, they will not let anything get done in this County that does not primarily benefit them!
"I just wanted to know with all the talk on forced hook ups, has this actually happened yet? Or is this all just talk."
Witness St. Leon. Who do you think was behind forced hook-ups up there? Farmers? Please!
Further, the only thing stopping the DCRSD from forcing hook-ups is a few honest public officials!
Many of us were already told to "just get loans" when the time came for "enforced hook-ups!
Our local realtor/developers would love to shift the focus from their plans to force existing home and property owners to subsidize their sewers! Which is why they are always calling on their "Bogey Man" response to answer any and all questions concerning forced hook-ups!
In fact, the DCRSD has no plans or capital for building a sewer treatment plant without the use of forced hook-ups!
Point to one Board Member of the DCRSD who has spoken out against "enforced hook-ups?" That person does not exist!
The DCRSD already has their flunky, Doug Baer, chomping at the bit to send out "forced hook-up letters!"
So, let us not pretend that "enforced hook-ups" are somehow in the realm of the hypothetical!!!
It is Brett's subdivision keeping High Ridge Estates from having their Developer caused sewer problems fixed!
4 million dollars earmarked for High Ridge being held hostage by Brett, Rodney and John!!!
They would have that 4 million spent on sewering their personal interests and projects, while having the rest of us further subsidize their projects and paying to fix High Ridge!
Crooks! Crooks! Crooks!
"They would have that 4 million spent on sewering their personal interests and projects, while having the rest of us further subsidize their projects and paying to fix High Ridge!"
What you said is the essence of the DCrSD.
Desolve the DCrSD NOW!
"Hughes said that if we would have hired Vieste we would have the infrastructure."
Furthermore the County votes to keep Level 5 Engineering as they are somehow separate from Vieste now.
RESEARCH that! you Commissioners and Transportation Dept Head. YOU are WRONG.
Better look deeper than the politically connected flunky for both operations.
Better not turn your back.
Better hang on to the taxpayer's wallets.
Better warn St. Leon and Jackson Township taht this Medusa's head is growing a new tentacle- but it's the SAME group of opportunists.
This Commish. meeting report was posted at 0949. At 1047 there are 38 mostly inflamitory comments made. Don't you people have anything better to do with yourself?
"Has anyone in this county been forced to hook up to sewers? And if they have been forced to hook up was the sewer put in place to serve a new subdivision?"
The short answer is NO. No one has ever been forced on to a sewer because a new subdivision was built and service became available incidental to it's construction.
The short answer is NO. No one has ever been forced on to a sewer because a new subdivision was built and service became available incidental to it's construction.
Developers were the motivating force behind the forced hook-ups in St. Leon...the only thing holding back their developments presently is the downturn in their respective industries and the law suit pending in the courts!
Developers are the motivating force behind the DCRSD and DCRSD's plan to enforce hook-ups!
So please, do not try to sell that bunk that Brett is not playing a part in the sewers he intends to force on existing home and property owners to subsidize his sewers!
The DCRSD was tasked solely in fixing High Ridge...
...High Ridge is in same predicament now as it was before the creation of the DCRSD...
...but now it gets to watch crooks such a Brett and Rodney divide up the funds earmarked for High Ridge!!!
Sadly, the residents of High Ridge, are suffering because High Ridge's problems are now being ignored due to Brett's subdivision and now all the problems that come "incidental to it's construction."
Ask Dillsboro and the SDRSD about the DCRSD, they both know what the DCRSD and its Board are all about and it is not about serving the public!
Those aquainted with the DCRSD use phrases such as "lining the pockets" and "forcing others to pay for their developments" when speaking of the DCRSD's Board Members!
The short answer is still no. St. Leon's lawsuit stems from a requirement in the bonds issued to construct their initial system. Get your facts straight. Insighting fear and revising history serve the best interest of no one.
"The short answer is NO."
No one is buying your lies anymore!
The County Council could no longer turn a blind eye to your schemes and that is why they have limited your funding to fixing High Ridge and to cease and desist in playing the taxpayers for your personal benefit!
You can no longer operate behind closed doors in back offices dealing with your good ole boy network, to rob the citizens of this County!
Soon all of your political concubines will be thrown out of office. I don't think the DCRSD can afford to hire them all on as secretaries!
The short answer is still no. St. Leon's lawsuit stems from a requirement in the bonds issued to construct their initial system. Get your facts straight. Insighting fear and revising history serve the best interest of no one.
Who pushed the intial system?
Who conned the public by first offering bargain basement rates to those capable of voting for the sewer system only to put the true costs and burden on those not permitted to vote?
The suits in St. Leon are concerning at their base forced hookups, at costs that would bankrupt the average citizen in St. Leon!
To listen to these development shills, they are all just innocent bystanders to all they have brought about!
Pathetic!
"Insighting fear and revising history serve the best interest of no one."
Translation:
DON'T GIVE THE PUBLIC A HEAD'S UP TO WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THEM! IT MAKES IT TOUGHER FOR US TO HOODWINK THE LOCAL POLITICIANS INTO FORCING THE PUBLIC INTO SUBSIDIZING OUR DEVELOPMENTS, VIA FORCE OF LAW!
"To listen to these development shills, they are all just innocent bystanders to all they have brought about!"
Don't you just love the defense:
"I WOKE UP YESTERDAY AND FOUND OUT THEY ARE FORCING SEWERS ON RESIDENTS RIGHT NEXT TO THE FARM I JUST PURCHASED...HOW LUCKY I MUST BE!
If the "real" costs of the sewers was made known at the front end of the process, the folks in and surrounding St. Leon would not be in the fix they are in now.
But of course, expecting "honesty" from our local group of developers and their enablers is asking too much!
"I WOKE UP YESTERDAY AND FOUND OUT THEY ARE FORCING SEWERS ON RESIDENTS RIGHT NEXT TO THE FARM I JUST PURCHASED...HOW LUCKY I MUST BE!"
And it is just a "funny" coincidence that the person who just purchased the farm is on the Board forcing hook-ups!
Real "funny" how events just happen in this County!
It is sad to read alot of this nonsense when it become obvious to anyone who has been around awhile, that many of the statements are made by those who have made up their minds and are working hard to make the facts conform to their opinions. Why else would we repeated read such cruel and demeaning charicterizations of certain county residents. It is the old standard that if you can't prove your point by reason and logic, throw in enough emotion to try to sway the weak minded. Much that I read has a thread of truth, but is then stretched to such an extreme that little if any truth remains. This is in addition to the assumptions, prognostication and incredible distortions that have been the offering of these "concerned citizens" for over a decade now. By the way, I am on septic and will not be affected by sewers for the next 50 years, so I have no dog in that fight. I am just making an observation as to the ongoing tactics of those who continue to follow the Ludite philosophy.
Why else would we repeated read such cruel and demeaning charicterizations of certain county residents. It is the old standard that if you can't prove your point by reason and logic, throw in enough emotion to try to sway the weak minded.
So, it would seem that you offer more "emotion" than facts!
Forcing folks to into great debt to profit a few realtor/developers is not worthy of discussion?
The DCRSD is planning on using forced hook-ups to support their sewers!
High Ridge has been thrown to the way side by the DCRSD as it pursues its Board Members' agendas!
One man runs against such tactics in last year's elections and the development controlled parties of this County, did their best to void his election!
If your cause is so true of heart, why must you fight so dirty to remain in power?
Why should good, decent citizens have to get loans, by operation of law, to support your business interests?
You make plans, far from the oversight of the citizens of this community, concerning their lives and neighborhoods and you are upset with them when they revolt!
Your arrogance and condescension is unparalleled!
We know you miss making simple, obtuse statements and weak defenses of your actions then slamming the gavel down to shut down any public response, but those days are over!
By the way, I am on septic and will not be affected by sewers for the next 50 years, so I have no dog in that fight.
That would change in the blink of the eye if Brett and friends buy a farm in your neck of the woods!
What is stopping them from forcing you and everyone between that realtor's farm and the treatment plant, onto sewers to subsidize their sewers?
Simple answer, I didn't buy land next to a primary road and then complain when someone wants to develop next to the primary road. We are allowing development on the back roads of this county because we fight to prevent development on the primany roads, where it should be taking place. But, it is more convenient to commute from property close to primany roads than it is to have to drive for 20 minutes before you get to a primary road. It is the height of selfishness to then complain when someone wants to develop what should be developed, close to primary roads. We are in this mess, much to the blame of the ludites!
I live off the the beaten path, but there is every chance of a realtor/developer buying land near by, then using his political connections to have a "septic" emergency declared with Doug Baer out the next day looking for any little thing to condemn my septic system!
As far as those who may live on primary roads, it still is not fair to force them to go into debt to hook on to a developer's sewer.
The cost to an existing home and land owner is beyond what anyone should have to pay simply because a realtor/developer does not want to pay development or impact fees to have sewers run to his project!
But try to get any relative discussion of the "fairness" of "forced hook-ups" from any developer in this county or on this blog and all you will get is misdirection and nonsense! Such as talk about primary and secondary roads, with absolutely nothing said about "forced hook-ups!
But, there is no argument that "forced hook-ups" are what is planned by our politically connected realtor/developers!
I'm seeing farms divided up around my farm and homes being built on what was once pasture or crop land...
...while I think that is sad, you don't see me complaining or protesting such development!
Now, if some parasite like Fehrman was trying to get me to subsidize his development, I would complain!
Larceny kind of has that affect on me!!!
"But try to get any relative discussion of the "fairness" of "forced hook-ups" from any developer in this county or on this blog and all you will get is misdirection and nonsense!"
They think if they ignore the moral and ethical implications of their actions, so will the rest of us!
As far as those who may live on primary roads, it still is not fair to force them to go into debt to hook on to a developer's sewer.
I know folks on 50 who did not give a rat's ass about any of these proposed developments until they learned they were going to be forced to subsidize such developments!
What got me interested in this whole debate is when I learned that my friend, because of his setback and topography, would have to spend upwards of $40,000.00 to connect up to such sewers!
This is a hard working, blue collar individual who cannot afford that kind of money.
In fact, he could never recoup that amount of money if he did ever want to sell his home! All for the benefit of a handful of crooked realtors and developers!
Now that is criminal!
Let the DCRSD fix High Ridge first!
High Ridge is presenting a real, contemporary sewage emergency, but all Brett and company can do is to drag their feet until they can conive a way to have their personal profits seen to first!
Brett may get sewer out to his subdivsion, in ten years or so, once Aurora fixes its problems or Dillsboro somehow expands its capabilities, but Brett will be expected to pay the cost of the sewer lines to his property without forcing existing homeowners to foot some of HIS bill!
This is why Brett could by this farm land so cheap, because it was so far from existing infrastructure to not make it attractive to anyone other than a developer willing to sit on it for 10 or more years.
But, Brett thought he would get residential property at rural land prices and immediately use and abuse his political connections to force sewers, at exorbitant costs, to those around his purchase!
Let the DCRSD fix High Ridge first!
Now we hear the well rehearsed mantra from conflicted DCRSD Board members that it would be cheaper to build a treatment plant than to have High Ridge's sewage piped to Dillsboro!
Cheaper for whom?
Tell those who would be forced onto such sewer lines that it is cheaper that they pay "collectively" millions of dollars of escavation and other fees and expenses to make this treatment plant "cheaper" than the Dillsboro option!
just wanted to know with all the talk on forced hook ups, has this actually happened yet? Or is this all just talk. Has anyone in this county been forced to hook up to sewers? And if they have been forced to hook up was the sewer put in place to serve a new subdivision?
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NO forced hook ups there either Helen.
BTW. Fehrman does not own the land you call "his subdivision". He represents it on the market for the owner who is a Cincinnati homebuilder.
Is Fehrman going to make a profit from said subdivision?
Yes!
Is he doing his best to force hook-ups to get sewers out to this property to increase his profits?
Yes!
And Francis, should Brett be ashamed of what he is trying to pull off?
Yes!
But, where there is profit, there is no room for shame, even if the pursuit of such profits may bankrupt the innocent, right Francis?
How about Brett and company just fix High Ridge, fold up the DCRSD's tent and go home until he and a few of his buddies can put the capital together to build their own sewer plant?
Could he just "give it a rest" as far as trying to coerce others to "contribute" their capital to finance his projects?
Really!
His actions are looking more and more "seedy" and "sordid" and "squalid" as each day passes!!!
"Now we hear the well rehearsed mantra from conflicted DCRSD Board members that it would be cheaper to build a treatment plant than to have High Ridge's sewage piped to Dillsboro!"
Uh oh!
Someone is attempting to set the stage for the taxpayers to provide a few "connected" realtor/developers with their very own sewage treatment plant to service all their development dreams!!!!!!!!
Could you imagine the criminal enterprize that would have been born if the DCRSD had found some way to steal enough taxpayer dollars to partner up with the VRUC?
Was Vera really on County council ten years?
Was she really a two term Commissioner?
Did she really become the first Women to serve Dearborn County as an elected person , some one must have believed in her for a long time at least un til Ralph was born.
As Vera consolidated power, her true harridan nature became clearer to all!
Vera created the need for a Ralph to step up and support those whom Vera was willing to extort to curry favor with her handlers!
Vera is one of those types, the more you get to know her, the more your flesh begins to crawl!
As the local farmers around her neck of the woods whom she did her best to brow beat!
Vera was so taken aback by her loss to Ralph, she let her lack of dignity hang out for all to see!
Her true character, one bathed in bile and pettyness, becomes apparent to all, when she does not get her way!
How could Vera ever run in another primary election?
What will be her campaign theme:
"VOTE FOR ME AS YOUR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE OR I WILL GET A DEMOCRAT TO RUN AGAINST YOUR CHOICE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!
She has sealed her own fate as a non-candidate from here on out!
Was Vera really on County council ten years?
Was she really a two term Commissioner?
Did she really become the first Women to serve Dearborn County as an elected person , some one must have believed in her for a long time at least un til Ralph was born.
And you let your hubris take over your being and you threw away your last vestige of dignity!
You will forever be remembered as the number one "sore loser" of this County!
This Commish. meeting report was posted at 0949. At 1047 there are 38 mostly inflamitory comments made. Don't you people have anything better to do with yourself?
Note that it was posted at 0949PM the day before......
Isn't Benning still suckling the taxpayers' teat as some sort of functionary at the DCRSD?
She must be happy as a pig in slop being associated with an entire group of cads, who share her love of stealing from her neigbors to show how important and unreplaceable she is to those who need thugs such as herself to to coerce others to subsidize their business interests!
This Commish. meeting report was posted at 0949. At 1047 there are 38 mostly inflamitory comments made. Don't you people have anything better to do with yourself?
Note that it was posted at 0949PM the day before......
Posters here should just go away...
...they are making our County thieves and cheats uncomfortable!
The posters here ability to "multi-task" and conduct business, life and family matters and be able to post a few minutes of the day, is just driving those who cannot chew gum and steal tax dollars at the same time, crazy!!!!!!!!!!!
What a waste this blog is.
No decent discussion.
Just a bunch of losers.
Speaking for myself, I met with clients today, made money, without having political flunky grease the skids for me, I then took my kids to soccer practice, fished a bit in one of my ponds and trimmed the hooves of a couple of my horses!
I guess I have no live apart from this blog!
Why is the realtor and developer enabler crowd always get so perturbed when folks speak their mind?
Must they have complete control of all aspects of county life?
"What a waste this blog is.
No decent discussion.
Just a bunch of losers."
So what are your feelings on forced hook-ups?
Do you think they are fair?
Do you think it is wrong for some to abuse their positions on commissions, councils and boards to profit themselves and their future co-defendants at the expense of the common taxpayer and citizen?
Just a bunch of losers.
Like a "loser" who "loses" an election and proves to all by her pathetic actions after her "loss" that her "loser" credentials are well deserved and earned?
Good for you with your pond and soccer practice. Are you living in happy world?
"What a waste this blog is."
Start your own blog.
And as to your need to control all discussion, you can block out all those who do not contribute to your echo chamber of self-aggrandizement!
"Good for you with your pond and soccer practice. Are you living in happy world?"
Beyond happy!
And I am more than "happy" to thwart everyone of your realtor/developers from crashing my "happy" little world, as well as my bank account!
So with smiles so broad, I will show you the door if you try take what is mine to line the pockets of yourself and your pathetic little friends!
Think how happy you all would be if you could experience the self-satisfaction of making it on your own, without the need to steal from your neighbors!
Which is what forced hook-ups are all about!
Bottom line.
No solutions offered, no results made on issues, no prosperity.
It's sad.
Why bother! These types cannot believe anyone is happy if they do not lie down and whimper as they force you to subsidize their developments. It is just lost on them that we are all doing our best to protect the happiness of our families by standing up to extortion attempts. We don't want anyone stealing the food of our tables, so we can't be happy people. Geesh!
Forced sewer hook-ups are wrong.
Forced sewer hook-ups are not fair.
Forced sewer hook-ups should not be promoted by realtors.
No please go away.
"No solutions offered, no results made on issues, no prosperity."
So what is your solution to forced hook-ups, issues forcing others to get loans to subsidize the business interests of the politically connected and whose prosperity is cultivated by forced hook-ups?
Forced sewer hook-ups are wrong.
Forced sewer hook-ups are not fair.
Forced sewer hook-ups should not be promoted by realtors.
No please go away.
Are you addressing Brett Fehrman?
Whoever you are? You are an absolute nutcase over Brett Fehrman.
Whoever you are? You are an absolute nutcase over Brett Fehrman.
Maybe this person just does not like the fact that Brett Fehrman and others are taking advantage of others to profit themselves.
Maybe if Brett Fehrman would make a stand against forced hook-ups, many here would cut him some slack!
But I don't see any reason to shut down the assault on Brett Fehrman as long as he continues with his push to assault many of our neighbors in forcing them to subsidize his sewers!
Forced hook ups are a real threat to many in this community. Why should we not post on the topic?
Should we all just turn a blind eye to what some are trying to do in order to better their bottom lines at our expense?
Do you think Brett, Rodney or John are going to cease with their plans if we all just curl up in a corner and not comment on their actions?
If you feel uncomfortable with the discussion of forced hook ups, maybe you should look within and take inventory why such discussion makes you uneasy!
Brett is getting hammered on this blog...as well as he should!
But it is nothing like the "hammering" he has in store for many of our friends and neighbors!
Forcing folks into tens of thousands of dollars of debt is no "small, insignificant matter" to be brushed away by comments such as "get over it" or "get a life!"
"No solutions offered, no results made on issues, no prosperity."
True "prosperity" cannot be attained by stealing your neighbor's bounty.
How "prosperous" will those forced to get loans feel to pay for the sewers of the politically connected?
Or are their rewards to be something less tangible?
Like that warm feeling knowing they helped a few realtor/developers prosper as the years pass as they pay down their loans to subsidize their development!
Who's the idiot that used Whitewater Point as an excuse for enforced sewer hookups? There isn't a sewer anywhere near that place! It still just sits there like it did 3 years ago!
"How "prosperous" will those forced to get loans feel to pay for the sewers of the politically connected?"
Pretty soon, our local realtor/developers are going to have their flunkies in public office mandate that we all must start a direct deposit account from our paychecks to a local realtor or developer!
Does the DCRSD Board still have Frank Kramer putting together the legal niceties of having the monies needed for Brett's sewers by devising a taxpayer paid fund to loan home and property owners who they INTEND to force hook-ups and then put a lien on these home and property owners' homes or on their taxes to pay it back?
Nice to know that the DCRSD will do about anything to transfer our savings to Brett and friends!!!
This would be comical if it was not so real!!!
And I least Frank Kramer pointed out:
"Of course there are drawbacks to selling homes then."
Well, as long as Brett can sell his new homes, it is the least the rest of can do to help?
Maybe the DCRSD can devise a plan where we can sell our children’s' organs to some rich middle eastern potentate to further fund our local realtor/developers?
"Of course there are drawbacks to selling homes then."
But we are counseled by our good friends in the developers' corner to just "drop" all this "silly" talk of "Forced Hook-Ups!"
"Forced Hook-Ups" are just a figment of our over-active imaginations!
No "Forced Hook-Ups!"
No sireeee!
The DCRSD Board is focusing on bake sales to subsidize the sewers of our very special realtors and developers!
What is the approximate cost to the homeowners on Stewart St. and Cole Lane for connection to the sewer installed by DCRSD? I keep seeing numbers thrown about by some flamer of 30-50k. This poster must be out of their mind.
If the County has made the decision that the taxpayers must bail out High Ridge...
...then let the County bail out High Ridge!
Putting the entire burden of the very neighbors of High Ridge is wrong!
Who is going to "bail out" those who may have to spend upwards of $40,000.00 to subsidize these sewers and to subsidize High Ridge and a few local realtors or developers?
I keep seeing numbers thrown about by some flamer of 30-50k.
I can't speak to Stewart Street, but I know one person on 50 who has already consulted an excavator and put together the costs of grinder pumps, line, electrical service and the like.
And he is pushing $40,000.00 to hook-up!
Not counting whatever the sewer bills are going to be and the cost of replacing 2 or more grinder pumps every few years at $5,000.00 plus a pop!
Regardless, if the average cost is between 10 and 20 thousand dollars, why should they be forced to pay any amount of money to subsidize High Ridge and a few realtor/developers?
And remember, these are substandard grinder pump facilitated pressurized sewer lines, which come with a whole host of problems!
But it would seem, the realtor/developers on the DCRSD Board are willing to place any burden on existing property owners to facilitate development!
But we are counseled by our good friends in the developers' corner to just "drop" all this "silly" talk of "Forced Hook-Ups!"
Even the most adamant development shill knows they cannot put enough lipstick on that pig of an entity as is the DCRSD, so they just want to shut down "any" discussion of the nefarious workings of the DCRSD!
We need an utility company whose first and foremost goal is to "serve" the public in an economical fashion.
The DCEDI is not that kind of potential utility company!
The plans for the DCEDI is to provide realtors and developers with a vehicle to expand development beyond the bounds of reasonable infrastructure capabilities!
"...beyond the bounds of reasonable infrastructure capabilities!"
What?
Forcing existing property owners on to grinder pumps and pressure lines at tens of thousands of dollars is not "reasonable" to permit the development this County so needs, as we are so often told by developers?
"Of course there are drawbacks to selling homes then."
Well, don't let that stop you Frank!
Sometimes you have to discard a thousand citizen clams to find that one development pearl!
"Forcing existing property owners on to grinder pumps and pressure lines at tens of thousands of dollars is not "reasonable" to permit the development this County so needs, as we are so often told by developers?"
It can be considered "reasonable" if you own the "legal guns" of government and you can "persuade" others to join you in lockstep!
Judging the extent to which our local development faction was willing to go to keep just one non-development candidate out of office last election cycle. It would seem there is nothing they won't do to keep control of those "legal guns" of government! Since much of their funding relies on the "legal" extortion of others!
Well, development did get their money's worth from Fox and Hughes!
Look how they parroted development’s talking points in this particular meeting!
Right down to they know someone who can’t wait to be forced onto sewers, no matter the cost and the ubiquitous “anti-everything” comments!
Expect to see a lot of development paid campaign signs with Fox and Hughes on them!
Maybe a few bumper stickers also, such as:
THINK DEVELOPMENT DINKS
"the cost of replacing 2 or more grinder pumps every few years at $5,000.00 plus a pop!"
When you consider the highly corrosive environment these pumps lay in, it is amazing that someone may get as much 10 years, under ideal conditions, out of these pumps!
One good thing about these pumps, is how they save you on your water bill when the electric goes out!
They also afford you the opportunity to commune with nature to do your "business" when the electric is out for any length of time!
I wonder if Ewbank has introduced the two Democrats to Fox and Hughes he is grooming to run in their place after they lose the primary?
I'm sure Ewbank has already dictated Fox and Hughes' endorsement speeches of the two Democrats!
Jeff and Rick are not going to garner a lot sympathy from the Republican rank and file whose faces they both spat in when the rank and file nominated Thompson over Benning!
Yeah! Rick and Jeff "care" about the repubican grassroots, unless they vote for a non-development-shill, then the grassroots can just kiss their asses!!!
The Dearborn County Republican Leadership, marginalized their relevance for a long time to come due to their underhanded actions in last year's elections!
Let us hope that Morris can revitalize the Leadership under his watch!
Pickens knees and backbone were not of sufficient strength to carry the party in the tide of "development at any taxpayer cost" factions taking over the party process last election!
Did Pickens even proffer a limp-wristed reprimand to those Republicans who purposely and publicly lined up against the "rank and file's" choice of candidate? Who turned the Republican primary process into a mockery and a farce?
Not one dollar from the Dearborn County Party should be given to any Republican candidate who joined sides with the Democrat during last year's election.
If one dollar is given to any of these opportunistic politicians, then we will all know that the local Republican Leadership is now soundly in the "pocket" of our local Development special interests! Having abrogated any responsibility and accountability to rank and file Republicans!
They should thereafter be viewed as nothing but "useful idiots" of our local "movers and shakers!"
"these are substandard grinder pump facilitated pressurized sewer lines, which come with a whole host of problems!"
Substandard is probably a poor choice of words. My home has been "substandard" for thirteen years now. I have had one service call for a bad float. To maintain that grinder pumps have to be replaced every few years is just not based in reality. Also the cost of replacement acording to my neighbor ranges from 1900 to 4000+ depending upon make and model. Lets try to speak the truth here.
Well the price St. Leon is quoting is around $5,000.00 for the pumps they require!
I believe grinder pumps that are needed just to get to a gravity sewer line takes less horsepower, cheaper bearings and seals, etc.
Those that integral to a "complete" pressurize sewer service, need to be "beefier" and of course more expense.
Google grinder or mascerating pumps, the the average prices are in the $5,000.00 range, depending on use requirement.
Do a google search on Grinder Pump's life expectancy, you will see ten years time and time again! Further, if you are very careful with what goes down your drains, the pump may get more life. With young kids in the home, it is a safe bet that the pump will probably experience more problems.
For an interesting discussion on the life expectancy of grinder pumps, please feel free to read the following:
http://ncuc.commerce.state.nc.us/cgi-bin/webview/senddoc.pgm?dispfmt=&itype=Q&authorization=&parm2=QAAAAA78240B&parm3=000120494
From the:
State of N.C. Utilities Commission (first site I came to)
My electric went out for 6 days last winter, as did many of my neigbors, that could have been quite messy for the "neighborhood" if we are forced unto electric required grinder pumps to flush our commodes!
Just keeping it real!!!
"Well the price St. Leon is quoting is around $5,000.00 for the pumps they require!"
St. Leon is now offering grinder pumps at their wholesale price for around $2,800.00 to date as a settlement offer for those suing St. Leon.
Now, that does not include the price of installation, electric service and excavation.
Which still makes the grinder pumps very costly for the average sewer utility company!
$4,500.00 hundred dollars is probably closer to cost of replacing a grinder pump if you were to pay a plummer or similar contractor to replace the units at today's prices!
Still, when a grinder pump goes bad, your family is in immediate peril if you consider flushing waste an important,if not, an utterly necessity of everyday life!
When it comes to pumps, grinder or otherwise, you pretty much get what you pay for!
The lower end models have cheaper parts and thus more maintenance issues and expenses.
The higher end models have advance internal and external components and thus will offer a longer service life.
The old rule holds true:
Pay for quality up front or you will continue to pay for the lesser quality item over its working lifetime!
As a onetime contractor, I would not feel comfortable relying on pressurize sewer service.
Your mileage may vary!!!
I just cannot imagine depending my electric service to flush my toilets! I too lost electric last year for 4 days! Luckily, we have wood heat backup! Heck, it is not uncommon for us to lose electric after a simple thunder and lighting storm where service is not reinstated for over a day! I have 5 kids, if electric goes out at 5 pm and remains out before my kids need to get ready for school the next morning, what am I left to do? It just doesn't make sense, other than allow a few in this county to make a fast buck on the backs of cheap sewer!
Having entire regions dependant on pressurized sewers because it is the "cheapest" way to sewer new development is nuts!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot imagine the "town" meeting a week after a lengthy electrical outage, man-made or by the forces of nature! I picture the possibility of one ugly encounter!
"I picture the possibility of one ugly encounter!'
Ha! Ha!
I think we will long for the "good old days" of/and the "small" problem High Ridge was by comparison!!!!!
If you have entire subdivisions crowed onto small parcels, due to earlier Developer greed and political payoffs, I can see that grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines may be the only alternative short of total condemnation.
But to force those in a rural setting, on working septic systems, with ample property to accommadate such systems, it does not seem advantagious to anyone other than a realtor or developer, or both, to force such a pressurized system on folks in the country, on working systems!
How any but the most corrupt politician or bureaucrat cannot see what these pressurized sewers are all about, is really beyond my comprehension!
You people all suck!!! We have people in this county who want to make things better for all of us and you people just bitch and moan about getting loans or you won't be able to sell your homes. God forbid you think of other people for a change. But no! You and your assine leader, Ralphy Thompson, just want things your way or the highway. Has it accured to you that if you can't afford sewers maybe you cannot afford to live where you are living? And enough bad things about Vera Benning, she would do anything for the developers to make this place a better place. You people just did not no what she was doing was best for everybody, even if it cost you moaners and complainers a few bucks! I home on many acres is a waste. Think about all the nice things our taxes could buy if we had more people on your property paying taxes!
"You people all suck!!! "
Having a bad day???
Have you tried yoga???
Rod thanks for your 1:06 post.
wink
And enough bad things about Vera Benning, she would do anything for the developers to make this place a better place.
Vera so loved the developers, and basked in the rays of their false flattery, she gave them the County!
Dearborn County and the Magic Kingdom are one in the same.
Both entertaining, both have the same characters, one is free admission and one isn't. I choose the one that is free because all of you make me laugh.
What is wonderful about rural life, is you could have a brain surgeon living to your east and a custodian living to your west and everyone knows each other by their first names and will stop to talk to you when you are at your mailbox!
Something, you will not find in a community of nothing other than "white bread" yuppies!
Speaking of working septic systems in this county, all septic tanks should be pumped out every 3-5 years in order to keep them in working order. There was a proposal a decade ago to allow sewer systems to be installed but residents with working septic systems did not have to hook up until their system stopped working. This would be checked every two years by using a dye test and when the system quit, hook up became manditory. I would wager a months wages that the complainers, with the exagerated costs, don't maintain their own septic systems, many of whom in this county are not offended by allowing their sewage to flow onto their neighbors property. This is happening right now in Bright!
You people all suck!!!
You could have stopped right there!
It would have saved you an hour of "hunting and pecking" at the keyboard and still getting your point across!
May your day get a little better!
This is happening right now in Bright!
If sewage is flowing onto the property of another, why not have the health department investigate and apply the appropriate remedy.
On 50, between Dillsboro and Aurora, the biggest offender is a subdivision on sewer, dumping into Hogan's Creek!
Instead of fixing that, a few enterprising realtor/developers are trying to use that existing problem as a jumping off point to force the rest of us onto sewers to subsidize their developements!
Homes on ample land, with working septic systems, are not the problem in this County, but used simply as a "red herring," to further the agendas of those who want to develop rural land but want others to help pay for their sewers!
As far as pumping out our septic tanks, I can only speak for my self, but I have it done every few years, because I don't want crap bubbling up in my yard and into my pond, where my kids swim and fish. Why would anyone choose to live in filth? Or is this yet another "red herring" on part of the development crowd?
So, I would not paint with such a wide brush, those on septic systems. In fact, my research into the Septic vs. Sewer debate has led me to the belief that a working septic system is as or more effective than are sewers, use less energy and very few chemicals, if any!
Further, relative to homes in a rural environment, with ample drainage area, like 99% of the rural homes in Dearborn County, if a septic tank backs up, most of the effluence is directly absorbed or perculated back into the ground, having little affect on the environment.
A spill from a sewage plant has major effect on the environment.
Further, gravity sewers are subject to infiltration problems as well as pressurized sewers are subject to exfiltration problems.
And my toilet flushes during electrical outages!
"And my toilet flushes during electrical outages!"
Which seems to be a "big plus" that many of the pro-development crowd want to not address!
I wonder why?
”If sewage is flowing onto the property of another, why not have the health department investigate and apply the appropriate remedy.”
Because it better fits their agendas to extrapolate that if one person has a malfunctioning septic system, we all must, at least for the purposes of pushing sewers on the rest of us!
Even if those sewers might cost us more than what some paid for their entire college education or their first home!
And my toilet flushes during electrical outages!
In a public discussion relative to the "public good," this aspect would be discussed...
...however, when "public" dicussion has been taken over by development special interestsl...
...only the "highlights" and "benefits" of sewers will be dicussed!
"Why would anyone choose to live in filth? Or is this yet another "red herring" on part of the development crowd?"
Speaking of "red herrings," remember last year when the "talking points" included the wrecker driver pulling a car out of a ditch and he found himself waist deep in waste from septic system backup?
Of course, no one could remember who the wrecker driver was or where this incident took place!!!
I heard that same story from three different people, all would be categorized as "pro-development!"
I don't think we need to discuss anything more about grinders pumps and the like!
This is a good day for all of us!
Incompetence and uneducated... That's all I can say about 2/3rds of the county officials.
"BTW. Fehrman does not own the land you call "his subdivision". He represents it on the market for the owner who is a Cincinnati homebuilder."
A little research shows the land is owned by Gabbard Estates, LLC, which is a limited liability corporation in Ohio. In Ohio, the only listing is for the agent of the LLC, which is Keating, Muething and Klekamp, attorneys at law.
So who really does own Gabbard Estates? The builder? Fehrman? Benning? Others?
There is a lot of discussion about the cost to hook sewers to subsidize development.
What about the added roads, which are paid for from gasoline tax, not property tax? What about the added load on our teachers and classrooms and eventually the cost of more school classrooms? What about the added school buses? What about the other utilities that have to be extended out to the new subdivisions? What about the additional load on our courts and jail and county operation? What about the increased load on our fine Fire Departments and EMS services?
Does the developer pay for any of this?
Or do they simply build and sell cheap houses to make their money and move on?
Remember, this County needs "Development," even if such "Development" bankrupts this County!
"Has it accured to you that if you can't afford sewers maybe you cannot afford to live where you are living?"
Wowee that's pretty nasty, an ugly slam against some of our friends and neighbors.
It must have come from a DCDEI and C of C member the DCDEI who could easily afford to write a check of 5000 dollars for the cost of becomming a DCDEI person or from one of the Commishes or two of them, or even from our State Senator the Honorable Johnnnnny I-74 Nugent!
Until one is forced into the large cost for a sewer hookup these folks could well affortd to live where they are.
The Honorable Johnnnnny I-74 Nugent!
When you want to hear whatever you want parroted back to you, speak with Johnnnnny Nugent!
He will later cut you off at the knees, but at least he will give you the impression that he is not the “Boss Hogg” of Republican Party Apparatchik supporters of Democratic candidates supporting only what is best for development interests of this County!
incompetence and uneducated... that's all I can say about 2/3rds of the county officials. All they want is the county health insurance for their family.
"incompetence and uneducated... that's all I can say about 2/3rds of the county officials. All they want is the county health insurance for their family."
So the rumors are true?
Most of our County Officials are "sick" bastards?
"Incompetence and uneducated... That's all I can say about 2/3rds of the county officials."
Incompetence and uneducated....That's all I can say about 2/3rds of Dearborn County residents such as all those who do nothing but bitch and complain on this site.
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