The following notes are provided in an effort to record the transactions of the meeting without editorial comment, except clarification of events.- Ralph Thompson, Washington Township
7 December 2007 DCRSD Meeting Notes
Present: Acting Chairman, Fehrman, Maxwell, Pruss, Dennerline. Adams and Enzweiler were not present.
Also Present: Executive Secretary, Doug Baer; Tom Quinn, Quinn Engineering; Benning, Secretary; Frank Kramer, Board Attorney; Robert Hrezo, Hrezo Engineering; Julia Barber, Sherman, Barber & Mullikin - CPA (part time); and Ralph Thompson.
Meeting started at approximately 7:00 PM in the Commissioner's Meeting Room. Meeting was not recorded.
Meeting Notes
Meeting Notes for November, 2007 approved (Moved by Maxwell and seconded by Dennerline).
Treasurer's Report
The report is the same as last month except that the DCRSD Savings account balance is $77,572.42.
Public Comment
Fehrman asked if there was any public comment. No response.
Special
Julia Barber, Sherman, Barber & Mullikin - CPA was present to provide a firm profile and indicate some of the services they can provide. They are located in Madison, IN and work for municipalities, water and waste water districts. Their services include setting utility rates and bond issues. They work on an hourly rate, that they feel is less than that of Umbaugh. They are subject to State Board of Accounts (Note: this is now Department of Local Government Finance - DLGF) and have helped with State Revolving Fund and Rural Development. She left after her presentation.
Serenity Ridge
Tom Quinn indicated the prebid meeting was attended by four potential bidders:
Logan Creek Construction (3550 North Dearborn Rd.)
Ty Harold
Myer(sp?) Property & Development
Mike Seavers(sp?) of Dave O'Mara
Bid due date is 12/31/2007 at 2:00 PM. Since this project is under the state minimum, prevailing wage is not required. The plans have filed with the Highway Engineer. The line is only crossing the road once diagonally under the pavement.
Also have a draft contract for LMH. On page 3 the correct number should be $5,000 in lieu of $30,000. It will be corrected. It is the same format used for Stewart Rd and Cole Ln. Kramer has not yet had a chance to review the contract.
West Aurora Project
Quinn indicated flowmeter measurements had been obtained at Randall and US 50 for approximately 17 days including 3 rain days. There is something 'spooky' in the readings. The higher peak flows were on non rain days. He thinks there is plenty of capacity for DCRSD. They referenced the USDA(sp?) rain gauge. He will complete the analysis and submit the report.
He has a proposed addendum for the PER. There are questions he cannot answer on the comments in the Larry Adams letter. The first paragraph describes the changes. GRW had 290 users, a house count comes to 141, taking out Texas Gas Rd and Mt. Tabor Church Rd. ( discussion on whether it is Mt. Tabor Church or Mt Tabor Rd. - latter is current.) The east-west section of Mt. Tabor is eliminated.
He asked if the financial reports had been audited - never done. The response to the Larry Adams letter to cause the PER to remain alive and current.
Maxwell found the volume and order of information commendable. Under GRW, he felt DCRSD was not getting the attention it should.
Quinn indicated the PER will establish Quinn Engineering as the engineer of record. Same questions were asked of GRW in 2004.
(Several people talking) _____ faster and easier than State Revolving Fund. What to do ___ optimize to use force main.
Fehrman asked when can they count houses and ask for a variance from state. Aurora project will be done January 1, 2008.
Maxwell indicated Dave planned to go to Indy CID(??). Maxwell wants to go along. If Greendale is going to 'blow' them off and not approve it, he doesn't want to go and waste time. They need to powwow to try to see if they can get agreement and go together or it is a waste of time. They want to get SDRSD or a couple of the members to go together and get it done.
Dennerline thinks it will happen immediately, as they (the state?) want Highridge fixed.
Maxwell asked about the contract fee on Serenity Ridge for the size.
(Quinn indicated the force main is 2900 feet long for 10- 15 houses in the entire subdivision.) It was a great deal of money.
Quinn indicated it was the same process to get it to bid, as a larger project.
The members have copies of the questions and assumptions for the treatment plant. Some answers will require input from the Board.
Fehrman suggested members take them home, make comments and get them back to Benning.
Maxwell asked if they should hold or proceed with Hardeback (sp?), since they are on a different tack. Benning indicated there were a lot of questions; but, they ought to proceed with the appraisal.
The issue of the road being private was raised and the Board will need an easement to access and maintain the treatment plant.
Maxwell suggested, given the current path, they suspend the questions for 60 days.
Benning indicated they should proceed with the questions so that the man can move forward (Hardeback?).
Some questions are engineering problems. Dennerline indicated someone else is interested in buying the property.
For appraisal, if another parcel is selected what is the value of a private plant - answer $0.
Quinn: Bids for Serenity Ridge will be handled on 1/3/2008.
Fehrman asked about Ordinance 2007-1 to require mandatory connection/fee for Stewart Rd. and Cole Ln.
Kramer said the availability fee assessment needs an ordinance, which will require a public hearing and notification. He has a draft. They could be ready at the next meeting. The customers are customers of Aurora. They do not have contracts with those who are not hooked on. The power of law allows them to require hookups. They can allow exceptions for new septics. Also, have the power to require people with property line within 300 feet to hookup. What does that mean.
Dennerline suggested sending letters to people who haven't hooked up. Need another group of people. There is an increase for those that would hook up now, $600 on pumps and $2,500 hook up fee. Have to talk to Randy(Turner).
Maxwell asked if DCRSD wants to permit, it's a Health Department issue. DCRSD could allow, not permit. If DCRSD invokes ordinance and not enforce, leave line out of first paragraph. May have to have paragraph to have Health Board review.
Dennerline: Oh, thanks.
Fehrman: Intent is to collect availability fee.
Kramer: Have two issues:
Do you want to force hook on?
Not require hook on; but, require annual fee?
Dennerline: Do they make application to the District, not the Health Board.
Fehrman: If application made, need to get input from the Health Board.
Maxwell: What about the Commissioner letter.
Kramer: I talked to Bob Ewbank, this is not the Commissioners' bailiwick. The Commissioners are not empowered.
Maxwell asked Thompson about the letter.
Thompson: The letter is composed; but not signed yet. The letter references the State Ordinance that says 'May' require and then references the existing County Ordinance, that says the resident cannot be forced to connect if they have a working system or a repairable system that is repaired.
Dennerline: Randy (Turner) doesn't want it (enforced hook up), want the availability fee, not to force hook up.
Maxwell: Can we do separate ordinances or one?
(several people talking didn't get all the statements.)
Baer: Which rates, State Law or County Ordinance?
Maxwell: Focus on availability and leave out mandatory.
Fehrman: DCRSD wants Health Board more involved than District.
Dennerline: ___average repairs are $8,000 to $12,000.
_______: Consider only last three paragraphs, eliminate mandatory hook ups.
Kramer: Wording came from the Regulations. Lehner had obtained the Regulation. Without our own lines we don't need the Regulation. Will need them for Highridge.
Serenity Ridge are customers of LMH. We're under different pressure. The requirement to pay when they hook on will pay back the other residents. They will put pressure on the neighbors to get their money back.
Fehrman asked if Stewart Rd. and Cole Ln. will set a precedent.
Kramer: Serenity Ridge is not DCRSD money, would like to others hook on, not forced. It is assumed people would want to hook on.
Maxwell: Couldn't this be broader? Or $12.35 per month for this project, this location. Could also cover lines in other places specific to dollar amounts.
Kramer indicated they can give notice to consider at the next meeting without the first paragraph.
Baer: How do we collect the money? Under interlocal agreement it is added to the water bill. They could pay the water only. Would Aurora turn off the water? (discussion by several people if Aurora could or would turn off water.) Would paragraph 2 force payment? This Board could force hook on, if they don't pay debt service. Otherwise, we couldn't force to pay - what will happen?
Some one asked Maxwell if he was on sewer. It is in front of his house; but, he's not hooked on.
Baer: It's wrong not to hook on.
Maxwell: Need to say________ need to hook on, if notice by the Board of Health. There has to be a process to force hook on.
Baer: If you don't who will force.
Dennerline: Need to do two ordinances. Need one to require hook on. Baer can go condemn whoever is not hooked on. (Baer didn't seem to like this.)
Baer said only three have hooked on on Stewart Rd.
Dennerline indicated St. Leon promised everybody would be hooked on to get the grant money (bond money??). They sued to save the grant money. Let people know DCRSD_______. They got to hook on, they missed out on the lower offer. Funding from Rural Development required high participation, Have to allow someone with operating system to not hook on. (Talked about high $ cost systems.)
Baer: Have option to not force hook on. Don't know how to put in ordinance, use common sense.
Fehrman: Can we have availability fee?
Dennerline: Need debt service. Can't run on negative profit and loss.
Kramer will start publication for tentative approval and schedule hearing.
Dennerline: Unless they plan on working on it.
Kramer: Only publish the first (ordinance). Hook on requires 90 days notice. If we don't proceed we lose a month's dollars.
Dennerline motioned to table, Maxwell seconded, all approved.
Board Membership
Kramer had, as requested at the last meeting, done an evaluation on expanding the Board membership. The law allows 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 members. Seven are currently appointed by various entities as approved by IDEM. Any change must be approved by IDEM. An amended petition must be sent to IDEM. A petition to amend is at IDEM. Under the original, the Commissioners appoint two members from two groups of townships and the petition was to move Sparta to the second group of townships. IDEM has never acted on this. The Board could do no requirements for appointees to be a member of the Board. Should it be left at 7 or increase to 9 to add Greendale and Lawrenceburg. Getting quorum is a concern. He doesn't know if Greendale and Lawrenceburg are interested.
Fehrman: Would they be appointed by them?
Kramer: If effluent is treated elsewhere in a municipality, the municipality shall appoint the member. Should it be Lawrenceburg or SDRSD? Would have made more sense for SDRSD, since they handle treatment and they are knowledgeable.
Dennerline said Newlon (IDEM) said they needed Aurora, when Baer, Benning and he were working to set up the Board. While it was weighted toward Dillsboro, it was heavily weighted toward US 50 and Aurora. We are at the point to be more diversified. We'll need to add St. Leon, Moores Hill and Dillsboro.
Kramer suggested they not have districts, just must be residents of the County, and own real estate. RSDs are not a democratic society.
Dennerline: Benning, Baer and he went through all of this and all the political of the County. Sewer district is another governmental agency.
Kramer: It is a governmental corporation, not subject to politics.
Fehrman: Should it be SDRSD in lieu of Greendale and Lawrenceburg?
Dennerline: Send letters to the governing bodies to see if they are interested. We've got a bunch of things coming down (from State) with all kinds of demands for Sewer Districts and treatment.
Maxwell: Get input from the municipalities.
Kramer: Then we can file a modification with IDEM.
Dennerline moved and ______ seconded to have Kramer draft a letter to Greendale and Lawrenceburg.
Dennerline: SDRSD is the brainchild of the three, since Seagrams is gone. It behaves as a facility for treatment rather than a district
Maxwell: Lawrenceburg and Greendale are municipals and members of SDRSD, wouldn't want them contrary to SDRSD.
Dennerline: If they don't agree. Lawrenceburg and Greendale are extending now and need to get them on board and get their input. Guilford is a pressure and the State will come in. Greendale is the logical one to serve it. Aurora had to be on because it was served through Aurora.
Kramer: Petition will be amended to name Aurora. (It listed municipality in the petition.)
Motion passed.
Fehrman: Dave Enzweiler is up for reappointment by 12/31/07. Asked that Dave be reappointed.
Dennerline moved ______seconded that Benning draft a letter to the Commissioners asking to reappoint Enzweiler.
Benning: Has he agreed?
The question was also asked about a letter recommending Steve Renn(?) for Hankins replacement. He has asked for the position. There was a question about realigning the Board. Maxwell asked if the Jimmie Adams spot was vacant. Kramer suggested, rather than expanding the the Board, pick up the municipalities. He was concerned about quorum issues. It was decided not to act till a response from Lawrenceburg and Greendale.
Maxwell asked about Adams missing all the meetings, any action?
Claims
Baer indicated claims to County were due Tuesday, so they submitted miscellaneous claims. These came in after. He wants to take the advertising for the Serenity Ridge bidding out of the Serenity Ridge account. They received $100 from the plan sets and the advertising cost $68. Also toner for the printer for $180.08.
Benning: Umbaugh will probably present a bill for services in 2007. Don't have money budgeted. About $20,000.
Baer: No money for Umbaugh. Umbaugh has done work, if they present a bill. Umbaugh will probably submit when the West Aurora loan is obtained.
Dennerline moved, Maxwell(?) seconded to pay claims. Approved.
2008 Meeting Schedule
Dennerline suggested to advertise for two meetings a month and cancel the second in January, to save cost of re advertising. Advertise the first and third Thursday and in January decide the status of the second meeting. This will reserve the room as well.
Dennerline moved and Maxwell seconded to adjourn. Approved.
Adjourned at approximately 9:00 PM.
After the adjournment, Maxwell was talking to Fehrman saying they needed to fix Highridge. Then they could pickup Cheeks vote. Everybody wants Highridge fixed.
Ralph Thompson
Washington Township
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1 – 200 of 381 Newer› Newest»Kramer: Have two issues:
Do you want to force hook on?
Not require hook on; but, require annual fee?
You just have to love the fact that these folks keep going back to THEIR two "false" choices!
There are vast number of choices, but they do not include getting others to subsidize the sewers needed by a couple of politically connected realtor/developers!
Dillsboro is the only player that can take on High Ridge without forcing everyone and their brother on to these sewers!
County Council and Commissioners, cannot you not see that the DCRSD will do nothing for High Ridge until Fehrman and Maxwell get the opportunity to force everyone on their sewers to lower cost of the sewers they require for their development!
This Board has no concept of building out from existing infrastructure, in an economically and politically palatable fashion!
They want, what they want, when they want it...no matter the cost to the taxpayer and those unfortunate enough to live around farms the politically connected buy up and then wish to subdivide!
The DCRSD has no internal governor, no failsafe, that would protect the taxpayer and potential “customers” from the exorbitant expenses of a “DEVELOPMENT” driven sewer district!
Look at all the delusional "big talk" of the Board members, but with what funding?
Other than stealing if from the taxpayers through "forced hook-ups!"
Fix High Ridge…then let development happen naturally…not by the placing a gun to heads of our neighbors, friends and families!
The dcrsd keeps getting wacked by those who control their purse strings, but they continue talking their nonsense, with all their big plans and expansions...
...same old talk...
...as High Ridge continues to dump into Hogans!
Baer: No money for Umbaugh. Umbaugh has done work, if they present a bill. Umbaugh will probably submit when the West Aurora loan is obtained.
The real "costs" to the taxpayer, of this entire DCRSD mess, will only be realized later, after it is too late to put the genie back into the bottle!
Everyone connected with the dcrsd are waiting for the forced hookup letters to be sent out to pay their respective bills!
No plans for funding other than using coercion and intimidation to force the dollars from those who can least afford it!
Umbaugh has done work, if they present a bill. Umbaugh will probably submit when the West Aurora loan is obtained.
Who gave permission for Umbaugh to work for dcrsd?
Is this just show up, work and bill when you desire?
Their job was to sewer High Ridge.
Not take over the county's sewers.
The County Council could not have been more clearer than in their last meeting.
Fix what you were tasked to fix, first, save the sewer empire building for more mature adults!
These greedy bastards are not going to give up until they can force sewers to each and every piece of rural property their buddies buy up!
Their goal: Development...forced hook up...Development...forced hook up...Development.........
No need for "smart growth" or " development and impact fess!"
Why bother?
They will have access to all our savings to finance their development dreams!
Fix what you were tasked to fix,
THEN quit!
OR QUIT cause you are not capable of following directions!
This delusional pack of losers could be dissolved tommorrow and they would still meet in their parents' basements once a month to debate what font they will use and who will get to lick all the envelopes when they get to send out their "forced hook-up letters!"
Freaking amazing!
And Doug Baer?
Please, just go away!
Take your family on a vacation to the shores of Double Lick Creek!
Is not the town of Dillsboro listed in the phonebook?
Could some one find Fortner's number?
Dillsboro has the capactiy now to take High Ridge's sewage!
Shut down the DCRSD, let the honest adults of Dillsboro finally take charge of this growing mess!
And quit stringing these dumbasses on the DCRSD along as to their "future"!
Before they really crash and burn!
IS THERE ANY DOUBT THAT THE DCRSD, LIKE ST. LEON, WILL SO UNDERESTIMATE THE COSTS OF THEIR SEWERS, THAT A YEAR FROM NOW, EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO HOOKUP, AT EXTRAORDINARY COSTS, TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS FOR THIS MESS??????
How many more "Umbaughs" are out their holding their bills for the dcrsd?
It looks like the dcrsd will just be another tool of a number of county connected crooks' business plans!
All we still sewering entire regions with presurized lines and grinder pumps, that fail during electrical outages?
"The DCRSD has no internal governor, no failsafe, that would protect the taxpayer and potential “customers” from the exorbitant expenses of a “DEVELOPMENT” driven sewer district!"
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!
Aurora can "eventually" expand their capacity out to the West.
Dillsboro can "eventually" expand their capacity out to the East.
Why do we need the DCRSD at all?
Other than to line the pockets of its board members?
Infrastructure limitations only exist for those with ethics and morals!
No problem for the DCRSD!
Stationary and stamps are cheap enough as they send their demands for OUR capital for THEIR Board Members' investments!
Why do we need the DCRSD at all?
Because both Brett and John want their projects sewered now...no matter the costs to the rest of us!!!
Calling Jeff Hughes!
Calling Jeff Hughes!
I think we need one of your famous "phone surveys" here!
How do you think the public feels about this DCRSD mess you left for them?
“Smart Growth” proponents owe a great deal of gratitude to the insatiable and unquenchable greed of the DCRSD!
They have removed all nuance from their actions and their outright and utter greed!
Thank you for your “in kind” political contributions!
You guarantee your political ousters!
Keep up the good work!
You just have to love the fact that these folks keep going back to THEIR two "false" choices!
WE CAN STEAL FROM OTHERS TO SUBSIDIZE THE SEWERS OF A HANDFUL OF REALTOR/DEVELOPERS...
...OR WE CAN STEAL FROM OTHERS TO SUBSIDIZE THE SEWERS OF A HANDFUL OF REALTOR/DEVELOPERS...
What a choice we are offered by these common criminals!
It would seem the DCRSD has totally disregarded the "re-direction" given to it by the County Council!
Thugs can be so hard-headed!
"Some one asked Maxwell if he was on sewer. It is in front of his house; but, he's not hooked on."
"Forced hook-ups" are only revenue enhancing tools to be use to benefit Maxwell...why should he hook on..."forced hook ups" are only for the "little" people!
So, is not Maxwell the subject of suit by St. Leon to force hookup?
What a swamp Maxwell and his friends muck around in!
I wonder how Jeff's phone calls are going, concerning the dcrsd?
Shouldn't the DCRSD be setting aside some money for a "Hotline" for those who will undoubtedly be calling with all sorts of questions for the DCRSD and those who voted them into existence, as their basements flood with raw sewage when their electric goes out???
I wonder how Jeff's phone calls are going, concerning the dcrsd?
Ewbank would "ground" little jeffy from the phone if he attempted such foolishness.
It looks like the DCRSD is back to their same old tricks. This miserable and wretched collection of petty iniquitous pilferers, would be equally comfortable wearing ski masks and sporting a saw-off shotguns to acquire their needed capital to further finance their counterfeit development schemes.
A special thanks must go out to our perpetually deceitful political hacks, Benning, Fox and Hughes for giving these SOBs access to our savings!
Just think, if they had studied hard, worked hard, took a course or two in ethics, they would have never have found themselves in a position to serve their bastard development masters…and to act as coconspirators to the pillage of our neighbors, friends and family!
Kramer: I talked to Bob Ewbank, MY EQUALLY CONFLICTED LAW PARTNER, this is not the Commissioners' bailiwick. The Commissioners are not empowered.
There...fixed!
Only in Dearborn "Hooterville" County can this take place!
Two attorneys, with Development Interests, from the same firm, representing the interests of all the Citizens of this County, concerning Development Interests!
Jesus...Mary...Joseph!!!
Ewbank would not "permit" his "fellow" republicans to do any less!
There are plenty more "Linkmeyers" out there willing to take their place!
All, but those afraid of political reprisals from the likes of ewbank and morris, would admit that the county sewer district is just an organization set up to fleece the taxpayer for the benefit of a few of its board members and enablers!
Dennerline said Newlon (IDEM) said they needed Aurora, when Baer, Benning and he were working to set up the Board. While it was weighted toward Dillsboro, it was heavily weighted toward US 50 and Aurora. We are at the point to be more diversified. We'll need to add St. Leon, Moores Hill and Dillsboro.
Dennerline, still trying to add that dcrsd special CORRUPT "secret sauce" to neighboring sewer districts!
Dennerline: Need debt service. Can't run on negative profit and loss.
Let us put the "losses" in the category of those "forced" to contribute, by "forced" hookup, to the dcrsd, right, Rodney?
Would some one with some balls please send this guy a bill for what he screwed the taxpayers out of for HIS trailer park's sewers!
Maxwell indicated Dave planned to go to Indy CID(??). Maxwell wants to go along. If Greendale is going to 'blow' them off and not approve it, he doesn't want to go and waste time. They need to powwow to try to see if they can get agreement and go together or it is a waste of time. They want to get SDRSD or a couple of the members to go together and get it done.
Nobody likes Maxwell, but he still wants to be invited over to their homes for dinner and polite conversation!
What a clueless idiot this big oaf is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats our "Big Bad Wolf" John!
He keeps "huffing and puffing" but keeps running up against brick homes!
Now he complains that folks just aren't as hospitable as they should be when he comes "a calling!"
Screw maxwell.
He is and will always be a spineless bully.
Now he can add to his resume as being a spineless bully and crook if he is permitted to follow through with his plans to force others to pay for HIS sewers!
This entire process just reeks of larceny. It is just amazing these crumbs could have gotten this far before the council cut off their funding. Maybe they should redirect their energy to rolling old ladies leaving their church socials. What a bunch of self-serving scum. All of them.
Benning certainly found her "element!!!"
Benning certainly found her "element!!!"
Even the computer gremlins must agree!
I wonder how Jeff's phone calls are going, concerning the dcrsd?
"Would some one with some balls please send this guy a bill for what he screwed the taxpayers out of for HIS trailer park's sewers!"
Wait till you see the bill to the taxpayers relative to Fehrman and Maxwell's part of this machinate!
Allowing this DCRSD's present Board Makeup to oversee sewers, is like letting NAMBLA oversee the Boy Scouts!
You would swear, watching this entire fiasco unfold, that Dearborn County is experiencing some sort of "sewer" crisis, when in point of fact, and we all know what is happening, that our local realtor/developers are experiencing a "development" cash crunch crisis and they need our "forced" contributions to carry them through these upcoming bad times!
Maxwell, Dennerline and Fehrman…all, remind me of ship captains, making plans for all their future excursions, as their ships sink beneath them!
But for their combined arrogance, you could actually find pity for them!
Who has the power, authority or jurisdiction to quash this criminal sydicate, the dcrsd?
They better step up soon!
November will be here before they know it!
Is there any dipwad of a politician out there willing to run on the platform that they support the theft planned by the DCRSD's Board upon these dipwad politicians constituents?
The county sewer board has officially become a rogue agency, working outside the limits set by its creators and governing sponsors!
John Maxwell wants "your" dollars to subsidize "his" business interests!
It is as simple as that!
And John, get your lard ass hooked up to that sewer line in front of your house!
You can afford the thousands upon thousands of dollars for the excavation, grinder pumps, electric service, ever-increasing monthly fees, as well as the $10,000.00 plus home generator needed to” run” your toilets when the electricity goes out!
Step up, John, to your well-earned Throne of Effluence!
Welcome to the party, you pretentious, light-fingered, thieving and bullying ass!!!
Say what you will of the DCRSD Board...but none are foolish enough to trust their wallets to their fellow Board Members!
Has Frank Kramer forgotten he is working for the best interests of the Citizens of Dearborn County and not the "personal" best interests of the Board of the DCRSD?
Why not just have those bankers, with access to a majority of dearborn county citizens' savings accounts, on the board of the dcrsd...
...and just permit the "direct deposit" of their customers savings, at the descretion of these self-same bankers, into the John and Brett's accounts?
Would not that so simplfy are these, uncomfortable machinations!
Sometimes, it is best to just empty the accounts of those "Marks" all at once, to get past all the shouts and cries of "Stop Thief" and "Hey That Bastard Just Stole My Grandmother's Life Savings!"
John and Brett...think how things would have been so different if existing values would have allowed them to attend their prom, arm in arm, as they so, so, so wished!!!!!!!!
My father would have busted my mouth, as I would bust the my mouth of my child, if I were to steal from our neighbors as those Board Members of the DCRSD are attempting to steal from their neighbors.
Greed is a scary and unforgiving enterprise!!!
This is all so laughable, what a bunch of idiots.
Tommorrow morning, most of us will wake up, with not one thought about how we can "force" others to make our day a more profitable one!
Which would, disqualify us all, from being on the dcrsd's board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"This is all so laughable, what a bunch of idiots."
I would not call the DCRSD Board "idiots," more like "criminals!"
"Idiots" have an excuse for their "idiocacy," where as "criminals," they are what they are!
"This is all so laughable"
Until you receive a letter in the mail, demanding you subsidize our little business enterprise!
Let us all laugh at those the DCRSD Board is conspiring to force to finance their personal development interests!
How funny is that?
How funny is that, Brett?
- I would not call the DCRSD Board "idiots," more like "criminals!"
I was actually referring to the posts!
I was actually referring to the posts!
No shit sherlock...but you are quite slow to sarcasm...are you not!
No wonder you must steal your way to profits!
Hey dumbshit?
"I was actually referring to the posts!"
We got that francis!!!!!!!!
How is that tv dinner tonight?
How funny!
The slow-learner dcrsd enablers are here!!!
How fun!!!
Let us play pin the tail on the dcrsd dumbasses!
What a target rich environment!
No wonder you must steal your way to profits!
Even with the benefit of theft...this will be yet another slow year for those living off the "forced" charity of others!
We got that francis!!!!!!!!
Unlike Francis the talking mule, these dumbasses cannot string together two sentences that do not include "forced hook-ups!
Maybe, with a little tutoring, Fehrman and Maxwell can move up to "talking jackasses"...instead of "talkingoutoftheirasses jackasses?"
"I was actually referring to the posts!"
Do your lips move while you are watching TV?
Do you wear a helmet when going potty?
Do you have a business plan that does not include stealing from my grandmother?
Other communities get to watch "growth" happen around them.
Not this community!
We are not to be permitted to be mere observers...
...we have to go to the bank, take out loans and refinance our homes for "growth" to "happen!"
For, every dollar taken out of our savings, is a dollar saved by Fehrman and Maxwell!
Thieving bastards!
I wonder how Jeff's phone calls are going, concerning the dcrsd?
Wow, 6:06pm, a little violent there aren't we?
MORON!
Rodney seems to be working very hard to pay back Brett and John for their support of his theft from the taxpayers for his trailer park's sewers!
What a lice ridden group of rats these vermin are!
Wow, 6:06pm, a little violent there aren't we?
MORON!
"Violent?"
Open up your thesaurus, genius!
You may find the right, write, or rite word or words to fit your description!
Such as, DCRSD enablers are "thieving bastards!"
See how nicely that fits?
Why bother with them!
In the end, all they want is for you to shut up long for them to steal your family blind...that is what scoundrels do!
I just like screwing with the criminal class.
Ok.
Keep messing with them!!!!!!
This is better than cable!!!!!!!!!
Rattling the cage of the criminal sociopaths of the dcrsd is not all that rewarding!
They just start drooling and slobbering and commence once again furiously paging through their stack of well-worn and dog-eared phone books hoping to stumble across your address to send you a crayon scribbled “forced hookup letter’ in reprisal!
"They just start drooling and slobbering..."
That is Vera's function at the DCRSD!
Poor Vera, in another life, she could have been "Ma," to the Barker family!
She would have made a find mother to Herman, Lloyd, Arthur and Fred Barker!
Hey dipsh#t!
Them those are violent wordifacts!!!
find = fine
Although, Vera would have been a real "find" for the Barker clan!
Momma Barker II!
I wonder how Jeff's phone calls are going, concerning the dcrsd?
Poor Jeff, unless he puts on his "pretty flowered dress" once again and pretends to be the Sister of Frank Linkmeyer, he has no chance of getting re-elected next year!
Hey dipsh#t!
As Jeff chuckles to himself, "thaat feller cainnot spel dipshat!"
Maybe we just simply do not understand the culture of the DCRSD.
Maybe everyone in their circle of acquaintances transmit letters to each other demanding money for whatever their entrepreneurial enterprises maybe from week to week!
Everyone!
Please!
Ask yourself this one question:
“AM I CULTURALLY INSENSITIVE?”
Expect Rick and Jeff to go public this week proclaiming "enough is enough!"
We are shutting down the dcrsd!!!
Ha! Ha!
When Bennings fly!!!
Did anyone, per chance, read this week's Journal Editorial?
Apparently, the "secret" is out...
...our County's politicians are corrupt to the core!!!
Surprise!!!
Surprise!!!
Next week's Editorial:
"The DCRSD is infiltrated with crooked realtor/developers!"
Why no editorial on our crooked county lawyers?
Because, that is not "news" to anyone!
"Apparently, the "secret" is out...
...our County's politicians are corrupt to the core!!!
Maybe corrupt to you!
But to Ewbank and Kramer...
...our politicians are just...
..."ethically elastic!"
"ethically elastic!"
That's stretching it a bit!
"ethically elastic!"
That's stretching it a bit!
Whatever's profitable for lawyers Got's be gooood for everybody! LOL............
Let the DCRSD send out their "forced hook-up letters!"
Who will fund the DCRSD's attorneys to bring suit against those who refuse such blackmail???
Not the County Council!
The Commissioners are on "record" as to be against "forced hook-ups!"
Who will fund these "strutting cock chickens?"
No one!
Or is the DCRSD going send letters out "forcing" folks to "hook-up" to the Ewbank and Kramer "Gravey Train?"
Then they could pickup Cheeks vote.
That'll cost'm plenty!
Lawyer's don't have that much money!
Then they can buyin at St Leon!
Lawyers have no interest unless they can get the counncil to underwrite the counsul!
Maybe Fehrman Realty and Maxwell Construction could "privately" fund the "public" blackmail of our neighbors?
Why not?
They are the only ones in line to "profit" from such "blackmail!"
Let the attorneys "self-fund!"
And then let the State Bar be informed as to such a "deal!"
If County attorney, Bob Ewbank, ever finds out that his law partner, Frank Kramer, is the attorney for the DCRSD, boy will he ever be "red-faced!"
Ethical attorneys, shun such conflicting interests, unless they own enough public officials to make such "conflicts of interest" seem, so, unimportant, in the grand scheme of things!
Right Jeff...right Rick...right...Brett...right John...right Grand Pooba Rodney???????
Then they could pickup Cheeks vote.
That'll cost'm plenty!
Tom Cheek is not for sale, not for any price, you can take that to the bank.
Tom is above and beyond the lowlifes involved with the dcrsd.
Tom has, always had, an innate sense of right and wrong.
He knows a crook when he sees one.
And there are plenty of crooks on the dcrsd.
No doubt, they will all be reckoned with, on this plane or another.
God sees all.
"ethically elastic!"
That's stretching it a bit!
As Ewbank shrieks:
"STTRRREEETTTTTCCCCCCHHHHHHHH DAMN YOU STTRRREEETTTTTCCCCCCHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
...as Rick lovingly wipes away the beads of sweat cascading from Jeff's forehead!
DIE DCRSD, DIE!
After the adjournment, Maxwell was talking to Fehrman saying they needed to fix Highridge. Then they could pickup Cheeks vote. Everybody wants Highridge fixed.
And Brett is back to using High Ridge as a "bargaining chip" to fund his sewers for his subdivision!
Brett!
Let High Ridge go!
No more "hostage taking" please!
We will beat our Grandmas into submission!
We will give you all their worldly possessions!
But please, set the good folks of High Ridge free!
Please Brett!
Let them go!
If we could 'flush' the DCEDI, West, Lehner, Ewbank, Kramer, Fox, Hughes, Morris, Fehrman (the tax dollar fairy) and the DCRSD, just think how much effluent we could remove for our County!
DIE DCRSD, DIE!
Usually, the stink coincides with the onset of rigor mortis!
The DCRSD, always ahead of the curve, has stunk from its very inception!
just think how much effluent we could remove for our County
With our luck, the electric will go out as we try to flush this bunch utilizing our grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines!
Leaving us with squeegying these turds from our basements for weeks to come!
...as Rick lovingly wipes away the beads of sweat cascading from Jeff's forehead!
Greco roman wrestling at Rick and Jeff's party this weekend!
All like-minded and non-judgemental people invited!
"All like-minded and non-judgemental people invited!"
Brett:
"I'M IN!!! I'M IN!!! AND I WILL BRING MY WORLD FAMOUS ARTECHOKE DIP!!!
YEY!!!"
Cheek knows a crook when he sees one. uhhmmm, What was his vote for Vieste? I believe his sense of crookedness sided with the "gypsies". The whole dissertation on knowing someone from Indy that didn't know anything bad about those guys still makes me laugh.
Honest naiveté does not a crook make!
Similar to my honest naiveté as to my mother inlaw...
...I had no idea whatsoever that she would turn into the bitch from hell!
Do you fault me for my naiveté?
Good Night!
I have to work tommorrow to earn my "fair share" of Brett and John's sewers!
The DCRSD Board keeps having their wings clipped by County Council The County Commissioners tell them they do not support forced hookups or having them force others who do not need sewers to pay for them, yet, what do they keep doing?
They flop back down in their same old filth and conspire again to force sewers on those who do not need them to subsidize development!
Now the DCRSD is back to making their big plans, with no money to pay for them, other than forcing those around Brett and John's proposed, or wished for development, to hook up or pay "availability fees," meaning forcing others to pay for the sewer lines out to Brett and John's development!
Which means, the DCRSD is still lost on economically and efficiently planning "growth" from existing infrastructure out!
They want to force "growth" wherever and whenever a politically connected realtor/developer can buy up farm land!
Every investment by these politically connected realtor/developers must be a short term one with profits made as soon as possible, no matter what it costs the taxpayer and those surrounding these "investments!"
Pick a spot, any spot in Dearborn County!
Then have a politically connected realtor/developer buy some farm land there!
Following the DCRSD’s course for “growth” and “development,” the only thing holding them back running sewers clear out to that farm land, is the time it takes to send letters to those living around this farm, demanding, by force of law, that they pay to run the sewers to this realtor/developers new “investment” or face the legal consequences!
The DCRSD is a crooked extortion racket to aid our local politically connected realtor/developers, nothing more!
And High Ridge continues to dump raw sewage into Hogan's Creek!
I wonder how Jeff's phone calls are going, concerning the dcrsd?
I'm thinking he is finding out that the public was not informed, whatsoever, as to the goals and intentions of the DCRSD!
I look forward to hearing Jeff's report, next commissioners meeting, concerning his survey data relative to the DCRSD!
And DCRSD makes money on everything they add to OTHER PEOPLE'S sewer lines.
Then they build their war chest to pay off their massive debt to the taxpayers. Does anyone know how much money Council "gave" them so far?
High Ridge will not be fixed until the dcrsd is dissolved and unfunded!
Dennerline's trailer park will have its new sewers updated again before any High Ridge fix!
Mike Hankins jumped this ship of thieves just in time!
Mike actually believed the goal of the dcrsd was about the public health!
Mike finally realized that public health issues took a back seat to lining the pockets of dcrsd's board members!
So far, Dennerline got his pockets lined!
John is waiting in the wings for his lining!
And Brett is holding High Ridge hostage until he has his pockets lined!
And Jimmie Adams won't attend meetings.
And Dave Enzweiler sees that his work is fruitless in the light of all this conflict. Will he leave too?
"Then they build their war chest to pay off their massive debt to the taxpayers."
What a "Ponzi Scheme!"
They pay back the massive amount of money owed to the taxpayer by forcing the taxpayer to contribute and/or hook-up to the DCRSD's sewerlines!
Benning, Fox and Hughes, all Development's Darlings, have sold the rest of us and our children down the river in order to service their Development Masters!
Disgusting!
And Jimmie Adams won't attend meetings.
And Dave Enzweiler sees that his work is fruitless in the light of all this conflict.
As if some of the board's membership thievery was not bad enough for Mike, Jimmie and Dave, now the delusional conduct of some of the board members with their "empire building" is getting downright psychologically scary!
Pretty soon, some of the more loony-toon board members will want to call in Henry Kissinger for all to get down on their knees together and pray, Richard Nixon style, during his last days in office.
John Maxwell's inner bully has taken over any rational thought!
He won't find peace until he can hand deliver each "forced hook-up letter" personally to each home owner, with an "in your face" threat to top off each hand delivery!
"So far, Dennerline got his pockets lined!
John is waiting in the wings for his lining!
And Brett is holding High Ridge hostage until he has his pockets lined!"
Foxes in control of the henhouse would have more self-control than these sewer thugs!
The DCRSD Board will spend every dime earmarked for High Ridge in their lustful pursuit of absolute power to force us all on to their sewers to subsidize their personal financial interests!
Pick a spot, any spot in Dearborn County!
Then have a politically connected realtor/developer buy some farm land there!
That is precisely how a Development "driven" sewer district will function.
And the costs to the citizens and taxpayers will be back breaking.
"Pick a spot, any spot in Dearborn County!
Then have a politically connected realtor/developer buy some farm land there!"
a politically connected realtor/developer won't BUY land , they'll just put revocable option money on the land.
No risk if not rewarded! A "slick willie" deal.
Baer said:
"This Board could force hook on, if they don't pay debt service. ".
So much for sewage being the issue. First the State was forcing them, then it was a health issue, now we finally see the truth. It's ALL about the money!
Well, according to John Watson, the St. Leon "sewer" suit is all but over because of his generous offer to the litigants!
You folks up in St. Leon must be breathing a big sigh of relief this Monday morning!
Dennerline:
"....when Baer, Benning and he were working to set up the Board."
Now we know who the real perpetrators of this mess are! And all three are still neck deep in this crap! Too bad the County is still stuck with such effluent.
Baer, Benning and Dennerline need to go "skinny dipping" in Double Lick Creek!
That will prove to all of us "Doubting Thomases," that "sewers" are the answer for cleaning up our waterways!
Baer and Benning can be FIRED! Dennerline will have to die of natural causes.
Dennerline is like crumbling sewer system, yet, like a crumbling sewer system, Developers still want to tap him for their overcapacity and underhanded development needs!
So much for sewage being the issue. First the State was forcing them, then it was a health issue, now we finally see the truth. It's ALL about the money!
And no one believes that as soon as a line runs in front of someone's home, that the crooks on the dcrsd board will not force connection to lower the overall costs of sewering and to lower their monthly sewer charges, for their subdivisions!
This deceitful dance of the board and their political enablers is just so sordid and foul!
Liars, cheats and more liars!
Jeff and Rick...thanks for your "gift" of the DCRSD to the public!
May you enjoy your political retirement next year!
Maxwell indicated Dave planned to go to Indy CID(??). Maxwell wants to go along. If Greendale is going to 'blow' them off and not approve it, he doesn't want to go and waste time. They need to powwow to try to see if they can get agreement and go together or it is a waste of time. They want to get SDRSD or a couple of the members to go together and get it done.
Poor John, so caught up in his own little fantasy world, he still thinks "the adults" considers him a "player" in any of this!
What does the DCRSD have to offer other sewer districts or utilities?
Every alternative they come up with entails arbitrarily tacking on "costs" to these districts and and utilities' customers to bankroll the Board's personal business interests!
The DCRSD Board does not know the first thing of running a sewer utility...they just see it as a cash cow for their Board Members!
The Board is so clogged up with conflicting interests, they cannot even fix High Ridge without trying to place a Board Member's subdivision on the fix, at the taxpayer's expense!
You all can keep your DCRSD!
We are doing just fine without them, thank you!
At least take Rodney, will ya?
We think he is done with all his pilfering of the dcrsd for his trailer park...
...so he should not cost you all that much in the long run!
This post deserves another posting.
It IS a "nutshell" incapsulation of the dcrsd.
"What does the DCRSD have to offer other sewer districts or utilities?
Every alternative they come up with entails arbitrarily tacking on "costs" to these districts and and utilities' customers to bankroll the Board's personal business interests!
The DCRSD Board does not know the first thing of running a sewer utility...they just see it as a cash cow for their Board Members!
The Board is so clogged up with conflicting interests, they cannot even fix High Ridge without trying to place a Board Member's subdivision on the fix, at the taxpayer's expense!
You all can keep your DCRSD!
We are doing just fine without them, thank you!"
I see this entire county sewer district thing as costing me a lot of money with little or no return if you are not a crooked realtor or developer associate with mess.
In which direction will the dcrsd board run its sewers next?
Follow the trail of its board members as they put options on farm land!
Sewer "emergencies" seem to occur around such optioned land!
LOL!
Remember when High Ridge Estates was considered a sewer "emergency?"
Then clearer minds prevailed and fixed the real sewer "emergency" of Board Member Dennerline's mobile home park!
High Ridge was just one big hoax I guess!
Not one dime will go towards fixing High Ridge Estates' sewers until Brett Fehrman gets his guarantee that his subdivision will be sewered in the process!
Extortion, plain and simple!
Part of the DCRSD Board's business plan for profits is the duplication of services!
Adding nothing to the taxpayers and utiltity customers other than more expense!
Also Present: Executive Secretary, Doug Baer; Tom Quinn, Quinn Engineering; Benning, Secretary; Frank Kramer, Board Attorney; Robert Hrezo, Hrezo Engineering; Julia Barber, Sherman, Barber & Mullikin - CPA (part time);
As the ravenous lard-assed hogs all belly up to the dcrsd’s slop buckets!
Sooie!
"And Jimmie Adams won't attend meetings.
And Dave Enzweiler sees that his work is fruitless in the light of all this conflict."
Let Pruss leave and the board will lose its last honest, non-thieving board or staff member!
Maxwell must be drooling!
Pretty soon no one at the dcrsd will even have to pretend that dcrsd is not about DEVELOPMENT ONLY!
What a relief for its remaining crooked board members!!!!!!!!!!!
From its very beginning, the DCRSD was designed and intended to be a wealth creator for a handful of development interests, not a guardian of the public health!
From the very beginning, How did the Council's $4-5 million earmarked for the dcrsd get appropriated?
Is it a grant or a loan?
Is it a grant or a loan?
No matter!
The flim-flam artists at the DCRSD will always be a million or two short to fix High Ridge if such fix does not include Gabbard Estates!
"Liars, cheats and more liars!
Jeff and Rick...thanks for your "gift" of the DCRSD to the public!
May you enjoy your political retirement next year!"
But for some political "slight of hand" by a few of our more corrupt republican leadership lowlifes, Fox and Hughes do not have a chance in keeping their seats!
I am very interested in seeing how the Republican Leadership of this County can rationalize supporting either Rick or Jeff, considering how they treated the Rank and File Republican Primary voters' wishes last year, at their Development Masters' insistance, of course!
Jeff talks about how many people are not informed of "the processes".
I bet if you "gallop poll" 70% of the people in Dearborn County they won't even know who Jeff Hughes and Rick Fox are and what their position is in the county. Hell, I bet 20% of the people in Dearborn County have no idea who their governor is and even worse who their President is of the USA.
Jeff, your sad effort to rule out the findings of all the years of planning with your political nonsense is just that...."NONSENSE" You are just plain stupid kid.
There is nothing "plain" about Hughes' stupidity!
He is "top-notch" stupid!
Jeff seems to loath the "open" process such as the Comp. Plan.
But he has no problem with the formation of the now rogue DCRSD that had little if any public input.
Jeff seems to take some sick delight in being used as a "pass-around" boy-toy for our local realtor/developer frat boys!
Maybe, as last week's Journal Editorial pointed out, Jeff and Rick need some sort of "Crapectomy!"
After the adjournment, Maxwell was talking to Fehrman saying they needed to fix Highridge. Then they could pickup Cheeks vote. Everybody wants Highridge fixed.
Now High Ridge is important.
It was why you the dcrsd was formed, John.
As you can see, High Ridge was nothing but a ruse to let development interests gain control of their own sewer district and access to or savings to subsidize development.
All the DCRSD Board wants is enough votes so they can begin to send out their forced hookup letters and get back on track to catering its Board Members'personal projects and buttressing their bottomlines!
I guess Maxwell did not get the memo when the DCRSD was formed.
Hey John:
Fixing High Ridge was your first priority.
Not setting off on some inane and insane sewer district power grab to shore up your personal need for sewer capacity to service your and your fellow board members' development plans.
The dcrsd will never be a viable sewer district until the likes of maxwell, fehrman, dennerline, benning, ewbank and kramer are removed from the picture.
We need folks who are not consumed with their own self-interests on the board.
What about impact fees for those who wish to build in areas that do not have the infrastructure?
Or, let developers negotiate with other developers and pool their resources to incrementally extend sewer lines from existing infrastructure?
Or, is it easier to just use the force of law to cram these costs down the throats of those citizens who do not have the political pull that a handful of crooked developers seem to have in this county?
Notice, that impact fees are never discussed by the developer friendly dcrsd board!
incrementally
Are you nuts???
That would just not fit into the "get rich quick" agenda of our local realtors and developers!
"Incrementally," would not get to Gabbard Estates in time for Brett's hoped for quick-turn-around profits!
No!
It is better for Brett if he just forces the rest of us to subsidize his sewers, now!
And the DCRSD was made to order for that goal!
"And the DCRSD was made to order for that goal!"
Was it ever!
"Notice, that impact fees are never discussed by the developer friendly dcrsd board!"
The Board is only interested in diffusing the costs of development amongst non-realtor/developers.
The main objective of the Board is, and always has been, to reduce the costs of development of a few politically connected developers in this County, by forcing what should be their costs on the rest of us via the operation of law.
An antiseptic manner and form of theft…but still theft.
When will Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes grow some stones and speak out forcibly against this proposed theft?
Have they been so cuckolded and humiliated by their easily unfaithful Development bosses that the very thought of speaking out simply paralyzes them with fear!
It is embarrassing to have these two as representatives of this county!
I would imagine Rick and Jeff were timidly giving away their milk money to bullies like Maxwell well up into their high school years!
Rick…Jeff…you look pathetic!
Rick and Jeff know that Ewbank and Morris have "Linkmeyers" waiting in the wings to replace them if they let any testosterone flow in their bodies or attempt to stiffen their spines.
So, has the DCRSD's Board fixed High Ridge Estates yet, or are the Board's little Napoleons still trying to storm their neighboring sewer district Jaffas?
The plague weaken and virtually destroyed Napoleon’s army after their Jaffa massacre!
What awaits the DCRSD?
Rick…Jeff…you look pathetic!
Rick and Jeff will not go against their Development Masters on big issues, or the littlest of issues.
Their fear is crippling!
Fox and Hughes won't say any substantive...they will just slouch down in their commissioners' chairs, mumble something inaudible and sheepishly look over to Ewbank to see if he approves!!!
any = anything
Jeff and Rick only have to state that they will not re-appoint their two choices for the dcrsd board, nor will they appoint anyone who is for forced hook-ups and availability fees, which will turn into forced hook-ups, or at least forced monthy fees to pay for the sewers of our local politically connected realtor/developers!
Are they "MEN" enough?
Ewbank to Hughes:
"NEW-BORNS CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE, CAN'T THEY!"
My electricity was out six days during last year's ice storm. I could still remain in my home because I have alternate wood heat.
Do they make a wood alternative grinder pump to flush my toilets?
I'm sure Doug Baer has a plan waiting in the wings to force all of us on grider pumps to have backup generators.
Being a good little nazi, he will not make mention of it until after the coming "Great Sewer Putsch!"
Yep!
Next power outage, Baer will be driving around and dropping off "Condemnation Notices" to all homes on non-generator-backup equipted homes on grinder pumps!
By that time, Maxwell will most likely be in the generator business!
Doug is becoming the favorite "TOOL" of Development!
With energy issues and environmental concerns- why are we considering ELECTRICALLY driven grinder pumps in every home?
With energy issues and environmental concerns- why are we considering ELECTRICALLY driven grinder pumps in every home?
Because, no sacrifice is to great on OUR parts, in order for Brett Fehrman and John Maxwell to have THEIR sewers!
Pressurized sewers and grinder pumps...save water during electrical outages!!!
See, it all balances out!
As long as the dcrsd is a Developer "driven" sewer district...be prepared for what is cheapest for Developers at the greatest expense to the rest of us.
Do Morris and Barrott have any idea the DCRSD are planning on using pressurized sewers?
Do they have any idea of the ramifications?
Or is it anything for development's sake with those two?
I don't know about Barrott, but Morris seems to be for "growth" for "growth's" sake alone.
However, most of the "growth" that is being proposed and campaigned for here is just simply heavily taxpayer subsidized "make work and profit" for a politically connected few in this county.
Subsidizing expensive sewers for a handful of "connected" realtor/developers is not going to bring wealth to this county...other than the handful of "connected" realtor/developers who can now sell their homes cheaper because of our forced contributions to better pad their bottomlines.
Further, sewering on the "cheap" entire regions of rural land, which require pumps that do not work during our many power outages is just nuts. Which may be why Maxwell himself refuses to hook his home onto St. Leons pressurized sewer lines.
"Growth" should be about creating wealth, not transfering it from the politically less powerful to the politically more powerful.
You forgot to mention the growth up in the nw quad was base upon the landowners there being bamboozled out of their land at rural prices for those with inside information could buy it up and sell it at much higher prices. Our "cheap" land was to bring growth and wealth, just not for those of us who actually own the land. We were required to subsidize these folks wealth by selling our property well below the "real," but kept secret by our own public officials, price!!!!!!
Vieste, the impetus behind the quad deal, was paid by all of us, but seemed to operate only in a manner to help a few get rich at great expense to the rest of us!
Basically, Robbing Peter (us) to pay Paul (dcedi types)!
Vieste certainly was not "community" minded!
Unless you belonged to that very small community made up of just a handful of "politically connected" dcedi members!
"Growth" should be about creating wealth, not transfering it from the politically less powerful to the politically more powerful.
Which is why our Politically Powerful Development Class keep both Rick and Jeff on such a short leash.
They would not want those two straying and possibly giving aid and comfort to the average taxpayer in this County.
For our Development Class, the "average taxpayer" only exists to be tapped for resourses whenever the Development Class' cash flow slows down.
Which may be why Maxwell himself refuses to hook his home onto St. Leons pressurized sewer lines.
John knows that 1. those sewers suck and 2. that the rates will continue to skyrocket as developers like himself push them well over capacity!
And (3) he is John "rules are for the little people" Maxwell!!!
This County is being taken over by greedy but stupid Jethros (like Maxwell) and by craving but effeminate Gomers (like Fehrman).
How embarrassing.
do we have to get personal? Let's stick to the issues
Yeah!
Sometimes I think the development crowd post here just to inflame every body!
If you don't like Brett or John fine, save it for the bar room!
But, calling them names is not doing ANYTHING to get them out of our savings!
Dittos!!!
Right.
Our number one goal is stop them from forcing the rest of us to subsidize their sewers.
Calling them names will not make that happen any sooner.
Elections! Elections! Elections!
They count more than ever.
And remember, if you are a republican primary voter, your vote may be disparaged by the development controlled party leadership, ignore them, just keep voting!
It easy to understand why some folks just get so upset with whats being done in this county for the benefit of the politically connected few.
Take a deep breath, go for a walk and come back refreshed and able to take on the likes of Fehrman and Maxwell, just leave out the personal quips!!!
I think some realtor and/or developer have some sort of score to settle with both brett or john.
The sewer scam has nothing to do with their animosity.
Realty and Development, especially in these very lean times, is dog eat dog!
I enjoy the information and humor on this blog!
Sometimes, the humor can get a bit pointed...but these are trying times!
"I don't know about Barrott, but Morris seems to be for "growth" for "growth's" sake alone."
Barrett was appointed by Morris to be his development shill along with Morris's wife!
"We were required to subsidize these folks wealth by selling our property well below the "real," but kept secret by our own public officials, price!!!!!!"
Remember, Fox, Fehrman and Martini's Red Apple realty were out there using inside information to but up farm land cheap, to sell at a huge profit!!
but=buy
Barrett was appointed by Morris to be his development shill along with Morris's wife!
It would seem these two do not care how many people are forced to hook up to subpar sewers to finance a few of our more crooked realtor/developers!
Greed has replaced conscience!
"Remember, Fox, Fehrman and Martini's Red Apple realty were out there using inside information to but up farm land cheap, to sell at a huge profit!!"
Now that the "secret" is out, our realtors/developers/insiders do not seem all that interested in dealing with an informed public owning land up in the Northwest Quadrant!
Growth isn't growth unless it is done at someone elses expense!
Profit is reserved only for the self-appointed, self-annointed Movers and Shakers of this Community!
Wasn't Morris that tricked Johnny Nugent by placing his name on that flyer seemingly supporting Democrat Linkmeyer or Republican Thompson?
In no uncertain terms, Sen. Nugent said he had no idea that Morris was going to do that and that he supported Thompson in the general election.
That is what Nugent said...that he supported Republican Thompson in the general election...yep...that is what he said.
I wonder if Morris will try to trick Republican Thompson next year by placing his name on a flyer seemingly supporting the two Democrats running in the place of defeated Fox and Hughes over the two victorious Republicans?
I wonder if Morris will do that?
Some of us wonder if Morris is capable of doing anything that is not development driven at the expense of the rest as we are forced and coerced to do all the financing and subsidizing of their "development"?
Like all that "expanding" of our tax base by giving our tax base away in abatements and other sweetheart deals to their buddies!
We cannot have "growth" in this County unless the rest of us are forced into bankruptcy paying for "growth's" sewers!
Unless you are John Maxwell, of course, on the sewer board, refusing to hook up to these sewers, to do his "fair share" in paying for this County's "growth!"
But that is ok, John is one of the "self-appointed" and "self-annointed!"
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