7 January 2008 Lawrenceburg City Council Hears St. Leon Sewer District Plea for Money
Present: Bill Cunningham, Mayor, JR Holdcraft, Vice Mayor, Tony Abbott, Bill Bruner, Donnie Bryant, Mario Todd, Jackie Stutz, Clerk-treasurer, Joe Votaw, Attorney, and Tom Steidel, City, Manager.
Gene Hunefeld, Police Chief, and Mel Davis Utility Director, were also present.
John Watson, Attorney for St. Leon and the Sewer Board addressed Council and introduced: Chuck Hale, of the Sewer Board, Frank Leone, of EES the sewer operator/engineers, and Doug Farrow, of the Town Board of St. Leon.
He presented a letter and materials requesting financial assistance for the expansion of the St. Leon Sewer Plant located near SR46/SR52. The plant capacity is 300,000 gpd and has lines traversing SR1 down past Zimmer Road, along much of North Dearborn to Bright mad serves the elementary school, and along Whites Hill and part of Mount Pleasant. They estimate they are at 75% of capacity now. With the pending requests they are getting they need to expand. IDEM has given them approval to expand to a maximum of 1.1million gpd. They studied expansion and decided to go past 600,000 to about 740,000 gpd which will double plus a little extra what they currently have. St. Leon wants to build incrementally if they can so as not to go too far into debt. Cost is $4.68 million.
DCRSD (Dearborn County Regional Sewer District) requested to participate to get capacity and DCRSD participated in the study with about a 55/45 split to run lines where they need or want them. [NOTE: In the 2003 bond documents St. Leon ran 42,000 feet of line (more than 7 miles)]
Mario Todd: Did they identify areas to serve in the study?
John Watson: The TIF districts – in West Harrison and in St. Leon area by the interstate.
Frank Leone: Jim West wanted shovel ready sites so they needed sewer available to certify that it was shovel ready.
John Watson continued: There has been a draft interlocal agreement on the table with DCRSD for 9 months. DCRSD has some of their own issues and we can’t speak to that. DCRSD does support our plans and issued a letter that was to be delivered to Mayor Cunningham today. Watson gave them a copy of that letter that Frank Kramer wrote.
Mayor Cunningham: We are not in the sewer business. We could possibly finance this- you’d have to check with Tom Steidel (City Manager) for a loan. We have low interest loans.
John Watson: Mr. Steidel told us we should come to this board.
Mayor Cunningham: We wouldn’t make a decision tonight. We will try to do what we can for business and the local economy. I work with a Republican governor and I’m a Democrat Mayor. The governor wants jobs in the state. If everyone in the area would like to see this- we’ll do it. If there is opposition- well- we have enough problems in Lawrenceburg…
Tom Steidel: We continue to have costs on the by-pass after spending more than $1 million and we were dumped last year on that.
Mayor Cunningham: We need to listen to the people of St. Leon and the people here in the audience. We need a presentation agreeable to both parties.
John Watson: DCRSD is supportive; Council voted 4-3 to not fund DCRSD on this. I don’t know what the Commissioners think.
Mayor Cunningham: We want a deal that serves BOTH sides. We have no problem with a deal that guarantees a return of income to us. The northern part of the county – well the county has 50,000 people and it’s mostly Republican. I’m a Democrat. If you are seeing users then you will have a way to pay it off. We want a plan agreeable to everyone in the county. [NOTE: St. Leon ran lines and depended on forced hook-ups to pay it off. This proposal sounds like they are building ahead of their need again. With their policy of forced hook-ups, and with county residents having NO SAY in selecting people who determine where the lines go, this will be just more of the same problems we are currently seeing in that district. The increased capacity is not for industry alone- it is also for residential development requests.]
Ralph Thompson, Commissioner D-3: Council voted against $2.4 million for DCRSD to expand with St. Leon and Council voted 4-3 against DCRSD coming to you (L-bg) to ask for money. Council did approve some money to work out past Aurora. Council, Commissioners, and Commissioner’s attorney are on record as being against forced hook-ups. If the money is approved, we want it dedicated for TIF districts and not for additional Residential.
Mayor Cunningham: We are not going to give our money away. We have done 12-15 plans for assistance in sewers in the past.
Thom Hammond: I’m from Logan Township.
Jackie Stutz: Are you an attorney?
Thom Hammond: No. I have a respectable job. [Laughter]
A number of my neighbors are being sued to force hook-ups. We have no representation in St. Leon. We cannot vote there but we are subject to their ordinances. Connection fees are very high now- (over 10 times what the original fees were.) we need to mend and heal- we need to get the lawsuits dropped. I addition- I don’t think your loan can be guaranteed. The only way they can be paid is through other users. People want sewers in subdivisions, etc. We want the same deal the president of the sewer board gets (cost-wise.)
Mayor Cunningham: Your issues are with your officials and not the city of Lawrenceburg. Our loans are about 3% interest.
Tom Steidel: You would have the opportunity to review the agreement before it is put into place.
Thom Hammond: We could have others here give you their personal stories…
Cliff Eibeck: St. Leon wouldn’t listen to us even if we had the Good Lord standing behind us! Dorothy White owns the property adjoining the sewer plant and plans show a new pipe to run through her to Logan Creek. (Watson said he didn’t know about that) Eibeck went on to say that Mike Hall the surveyor was to call him to let him know about that problem.
Mayor Cunningham: stated again- that loans were available but they don’t want a problem. Bring a plan agreeable to both sides.
Discussion ended at 7:30 PM (45 minutes)
Christine Brauer Mueller
Lawrenceburg Township
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Mayor Cunningham:
"If everyone in the area would like to see this- we’ll do it. If there is opposition- well- we have enough problems in Lawrenceburg…"
Mayor Cunningham is not going to fall on his sword to protect and subsidize these sewer scammers!!!
Being a go-for, brown-nosing secretary for the DCRSD does not sound all that attractive to the Mayor!!!
And the defunding begins...
Ralph Thompson, Commissioner D-3
" Council did approve some money to work out past Aurora. Council, Commissioners, and Commissioner’s attorney are on record as being against forced hook-ups."
Bob and the twins' empty words now mean something!
Think of that big vein now throbbing prominently in Bob's forehead!
Words mean something Bob!
"John Watson continued: There has been a draft interlocal agreement on the table with DCRSD for 9 months. DCRSD has some of their own issues and we can’t speak to that."
Pick-pockets providing cat-burglars with letters of reference.
Words mean something Bob!
Don't worry Bob!
We will still point out to all, when yours and Rick and Jeff's actions don't support or align with your words!
Thank you for providing us with such an opportunity!
Hughes and Fox are against forced hookups but the re-appoint both Ensweiler and Pruss, who are forced hookups. Interesting.
"They estimate they are at 75% of capacity now. With the pending requests they are getting they need to expand."
So, Mr. Watson, if you had not "FORCED" all those folks, on working septic systems, onto your sewers, you would not need more capacity today?
Is this why Maxwell is refusing to hook on?
To provide you more capacity?
Mayor Cunningham:
"We are not going to give our money away."
Oh, come on, Mayor, Watson just wants you to give him enough money in order to better position himself to force the rest of us to subsidize Mr. Maxwell and friends!
Honest people in government.
I was beginning to think they were a rare breed.
Did any shysters try to shout down any of the citizens there to speak?
"Mayor Cunningham: stated again- that loans were available but they don’t want a problem. Bring a plan agreeable to both sides."
Tears flowed freely as John Maxwell Cried into his pillow last night.
"BOTH SIDES???
NO! NO! NO!
JUST ME!
JUST ME!
JUST ME!"
So, with Bob Ewbank, Jeff Hughes and Rick Fox being on RECORD as to being against FORCED hook-ups, how will they run against the "do-nothings" and "anti-everythings" fighting FORCED hook-ups!
Rick Fox already seems confused:
"You should go to a sewer meeting and see who is stopping things."
As he commiserated with John Zeiden who is for FORCED hook-ups to get sewers out to his reception hall.
Candidates in confused mental states with single digit I.Q.s are all Maxwell, Ewbank and Morris want to see elected to office!!!!!!!!!!!
John Zeiden is being "pimped" by the dcrsd BOD.
Dirty politics and greed struck out last night.
The DCRSD board can only find those trying to work an angle to get the rest of us to underwrite their bottomlines, to offer the board any support.
Sad.
Was Brett Fehrman in the audience last night, wearing his t-shirt with "ASK ME ABOUT AVAILABILTY FEES" written on it?
Jeff Hughes needs to get going with his phone survey of people supporting St. Leon and the dcrsd's forced sewers that do not work when the power goes out...
Lawrenceburg graciously listened to both sides last night despite the fact that they had no dog in this fight.
Johnny Nugent is on RECORD supporting Ralph Thompson against Frank Linkmeyer!
It looks like "Smart and Honest Growth" has the momentum!
With Johnny, Bob, Rick and Jeff in our corners, how can we lose!
Lawrenceburg graciously listened to both sides last night despite the fact that they had no dog in this fight.
No slamming of gavels!
No conflicted lawyers taking over the meeting!
No wise-ass comments from the council members to audience members!
After this year's elections, maybe the dearborn county commissioners will act as graciously!
All three Commissioners are on record being against St. Leon's forced sewer hookups, but only Ralph showed up to speak?
Did Rick and Jeff have prior engagements?
Did Rick and Jeff have prior engagements?
Maybe they were off somewhere with Bob, working on their insanity plea for the May primary?
Dearborn County Democrats are conservative with our tax dollars and the County Club Republicans are for handing our tax dollars out to any corrupt development interest that knocks on their door...
...what a topsy-turvey County we live in!
As a life-long conservative, I am amazed what Ewbank has done to the County Republican Party!
Rick Fox already seems confused:
"You should go to a sewer meeting and see who is stopping things."
So many lies...yet so few brain cells to keep up with them!
So many lies...yet so few brain cells to keep up with them!
Jeff Hughes:
"I THINK WE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS..."
Hughes: I don’t like forced hook-ups.
Fox: Me either. You can use the public minutes to show our opinion on this.
Ha Ha Ha Ha
What brain cells?
The stuff flowing from High Ridge Estates into Hogans has more brain cells swirling around in its muck than these two have in their heads!
LOL
Let us hope Bob, Rick and Jeff keep building their "RECORDS."
Ensweiler and Pruss have not fixed High Ridge but they are for forced hookups. Well, dang it, that's good enough for Hughes and Fox to re-appoint them to the dcrsd. Once Rick and Jeff are booted from office next year, it is going to take years of therapy and reprogramming to fix what Ewbank did to their minds.
Does Chuck Andres avoid eye contact these days?
Is Rodney Dennerline friends with any trailer park owners up in St. Leon who could help plea Watson's case?
How's Vera doing since she was voted out of office?
Is she back out in the private sector, relying on her own merits and not her political connections?
"Cliff Eibeck: St. Leon wouldn’t listen to us even if we had the Good Lord standing behind us! Dorothy White owns the property adjoining the sewer plant and plans show a new pipe to run through her to Logan Creek.
Speaking of Mrs. White, what did it cost the taxpayers to sue and lose to her because Maxwell did not like a sign on her property that was not a glowing endorsement of Maxwell's development?
Dorothy White article
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15019762&BRD=2075&PAG=461&dept_id=386538&rfi=6
From the above article:
A complaint regarding the sign was filed with the county Tuesday, May 10, by Maxwell Development President John Maxwell.
“I’m tired of him telling everyone what to do,” said White.
We are all tired of John Maxwell telling everyone what to do, Dorothy, sick and tired!!!
Is there a letter on file demanding that John Maxwell hookup to St. Leon's sewers?
Is there a letter on file demanding that John Maxwell hookup to St. Leon's sewers?
Argumentative
Slander
Politiking
Ad Hominem
What a Maxwell butt sniffer might exclaim to such a question...
Jeff Hughes and Rick Fox are on record against forced hook-ups!
How odd it will be, that the few folks that vote for this duo in the May primary will be those supporting forced hook-ups!
Interesting!
Thank you Lawrenceburg Council for your fundamental fairness in asking to see some agreement between all the parties before acting.
Honest politicians do not seem to have a problem with having their hands tied.
The politicians last night did not seem to have their hands encumbered by the least bit.
Is John Maxwell out pricing grinder pumps and backup generators for his home?
Is the problem he needs a few bucks?
Are things really that bad in the local development industry?
Isn't his credit good enough to buy the grinder pumps and backup generator until he is back on his feet?
Doug Baer needs to sit John down and sternly explain to him what his septic system is doing to our waterways.
Can Baer's condemnation of Johns septic system be far off?
Doug Baer needs to sit John down and sternly explain to him what his septic system is doing to our waterways.
Maybe Doug Baer can bring in Chuck Andres in his counseling of John?
Chuck seems to have a lot of lopsided data showing that septic systems "simply do not work!"
While Doug Baer has John's attention, maybe he could give him Dillsboro's phone number, they can take High Ridge's sewage.
Doug must really be pissed that John has done absolutely nothing to stem the flow of High Ridge's sewage into Hogan's Creek!
I bet Vera Benning does not even talk to John Maxwell anymore, after he and his fellow board members have made a liar out of her in the eyes of the residents of High Ridge and the rest of the county.
Was Vera Benning on record against forced hookups as a county commissioner?
Oh, I'm sure she was against forced hook-ups!!!
What sewers will Ewbank and Morris be trolling to find a candidate to run against the smart growth republicans in the general election?
What will Rick and Jeff do after their primary loss?
Will they continue to pimp for Ewbank, or will they go home and try to regain some credibility and respect among their neighbors?
Giving money to those willing to force the rest of us on sewers that do not flush when the electric goes out to subsidize the development of Maxwell and friends...
...and Mayor Cunningham did not jump at such an opportunity?
What is this County coming to?
On a side note, Maxwell is buying Vera Benning a condo in the Lawrenceburg city limits.
"Vote for Vera for Mayor" bumper stickers have already been seen on Maxwell and his stooges' automobiles.
No longer are any honest, thoughtful public officials in this County falling for these sewer scammers lies about "growth!"
Forcibly taking the money from the less powerful to line the pockets of the more powerful, does not constitute "growth!"
It is dirty, shameful dishonesty!
I see it is the same ole crap being put on the blog.
"I see it is the same ole crap being put on the blog."
I see it is the same old crap being passed off by as growth by our local sewer scammers.
I guess the Lawrenceburg Council is for of crap also?
for = full
Yeah, we are full of crap.
Go rig an election, dipwad.
I see it is the same ole crap being put on the blog.
Are you on "RECORD" being against crap?
If you are against "crap" do not swim in Hogan's Creek below High Ridge Estates!
High Ridge?
That cannot still be dumping raw sewage into Hogans.
Vera, Rick and Jeff, with the prodding of a couple of swell shysters, formed the dcrsd to fix High Ridge.
High Ridge would be fixed today but for the County Council!
They turned down Maxwell and Ensweilers request of 2.3 million dollars to fix High Ridge...
...oh never mind...
...that was for Maxwell's development interests up in St. Leon!
Wait a minute didn't the dcrsd fix somebody's sewers?
Now who was that?
Who was that?
I think he may have been one of the dcrsd's board members.
Just can't remember who it was.
It will come to me.
Crap?
Crap is holding the High Ridge Estates fix hostage by a DCRSD board member until he gets his subdivision sewered!
Now, that is pure, unadulterated, prime number one, FDA approved crap!!!
Watson:
"DCRSD does support our plans and issued a letter that was to be delivered to Mayor Cunningham today."
And what is the DCRSD's list of accomplishments, Mr. Watson?
Other then sharing St. Leon's base desires to tap the savings of our neighbors to finance a handful of corrupt, politically connected development interests in this County?
Poor Mr. Maxwell and his cronies' current political demise, it is like the Berlin wall. Everyone was scared to death of the Soviets. Then, one day, they weren’t. It happens really fast when people fear, but dislike you.
How are Jeff's phone calls coming?
Will we see a few Hillary like tears in Bob Ewbank's eyes next Commissioners' meeting?
it is like the Berlin wall
I heard the Soviets were against "FORCED" hook-ups also!
I heard Frank Kramer is against forced hookups to.
It must really pain him as he drafts ordinances for the dcrsd to compel forced hookups.
He and Bob must be just sick over it.
"Lord, Lord, how subject we old men are to this vice of lying!"
wonder how long it will take Watson to get to Steidel's office to try getting the loan.
Wonder what Steidel will say.
wonder if the county citizens will find out what happened...
Hey Maxwell, pay for your own damn sewers.
Quit bullying our neighbors to subsidize YOUR development.
Have you no shame?
And for criminy sakes, fix High Ridge Estates, or quit the dcrsd board.
Your act is beyond old.
Keep up the good work Mr. Maxwell, Mr. Watson!
You are engerizing your opposition!
Short of down right electorial theft, you are going to lose your political lackeys!
"Mayor Cunningham: We need to listen to the people of St. Leon and the people here in the audience."
What a novel approach!
Listen to ALL the people!
Not permitting a handful of bullies to run things!
What an alien concept that must be for Mr. Watson!
ralph dont care about anybody in st leon or bright just watch him at com meeting he wants big building to camp out in not the people ....
St. Leon needs more capacity because they forced everyone and their brother onto their sewers in the first place. This con game needs to stop. Maxwell and friends don't seem to have any inner moral or ethical compass. Greed and power seem to have consumed their very souls. We need to remove Maxwell's enablers from every office and position in this county.
ralph dont care about anybody in st leon or bright just watch him at com meeting he wants big building to camp out in not the people ....
Sober up, dry out, try yet again your 12 step program...
...and get back with us!
Thompson showed up at the meeting last night defending the good folks up in St. Leon.
Where were Maxwell's butt sniffers, Hughes and Fox?
Yeah. Ralph cares nothing for the people in St. Leon being bullied by the likes of Maxwell. Sure. Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes are doing what for the people in St. Leon? Other than doing everything possible to line the pockets of Maxwell?
Remember, like Ralph, Rick and Jeff are against forced hook-ups!
They just have trouble showing it with their balls in Ewbanks vice grips and all!
Honest guys like Ralph just scare the crap out of the corrupt, old guard republican establishment. Wait for a few more honest guys coming this May. The old guard will be knashing their teeth and wailing in their back offices. With nobody left to threaten, their power is as real as a puff of smoke.
Honest guys like Ralph just scare the crap out of the corrupt, old guard republican establishment.
If the old guard republican shysters cannot suck your brains out as the slurp orders into your ears, they don't want you in office.
If I was Rick and Jeff, I would get a court order to have Bob Ewbank's stomach pumped.
Those brain cells in his gut, are still legally the property of Rick and Jeff.
Now Vera and Lisa Lehner...sad...but the digestion process has left Vera with little to work with.
For all those out in (“We are against forced hookups but our hands are tied”) land:
If you're corrupt and you know it, tie your hands (clap clap)
If you're corrupt and you know it, tie your hands (clap clap)
If you're corrupt and you know it, then your tied hands will surely show it
If you're corrupt and you know it, tie your hands. (clap clap)
NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO GOT THEY ALL ARE SCRATCHING THERE HEADS...
Well, apparently, Rick and Jeff's grade school music teacher is against forced hook-ups also!!!
Rick and Jeff just can't get a break!!!
NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO GOT THEY ALL ARE SCRATCHING THERE HEADS...
Revisit this sentence, edit, repost, then expect an answer shortly.
Funny...
Last night, at the Lawrenceburg Council Meeting, did Attorney Votaw just sit there? He did not shout down Thom Hammond and Cliff Eibeck or read them their rights?
Odd.
Does he have any Attorney friends who could represent the interests of ALL the public that might be willing to step in for Attorney Ewbank as County Attorney?
Bob seems to be a little over his head and the strain is showing.
thats coming in the mail to them they wont do nothing to there face they are the back door kind...
Do you think Rick and Jeff both giddily brag to the guys at work that they think Bob Ewbank likes them the best?
"thats coming in the mail to them they wont do nothing to there face they are the back door kind..."
You are killing us man!
We are not getting what your are trying to send our way!
Check your cables and connections!
Support the Maxwell/Ewbank political machine and you may, if there is an opening and there is not another sad, clueless good ole boy/gal in line ahead of you, be rewarded grandly with an embarrassing hack, patronage job that might pay your gasoline charges to and from such embarrassing hack and patronage job!!!!!!!!!
You forgot to add the disclaimer:
Gasoline charges are merely estimates for non Caddy driving delusional hack patronage hire individuals.
For the more delusional patronage hire hacks...please seek professional psychological therapy and other related medical treatments!
Your mileage may vary!
Mayor Cunningham gets it.
Bob seems to be a little over his head and the strain is showing.
Lack of fiber in his diet?
May Bob not be straining while on a commode connected to a Grinder pump serviced sewer system during a power outage!
Remember the good old days when we used to point to sickly individuals and berate our children: "See what happens when you don't drink your milk?"
Now we have a whole crop of individuals to point to and berate our children: "See what happens when you do not possess ethic or moral principles?"
Mayor Cunningham:
"If everyone in the area would like to see this- we’ll do it. If there is opposition- well- we have enough problems in Lawrenceburg…"
Good news Mayor Cunningham...
...Jeff Hughes and his family of callers...
...just phone surveyed the residents of St. Leon...
...and wouldn't you know it...
...they all want these sewers!!!!!!!!!
...they all really...really...really...
want these sewers!!!!!!!!!
The bold correction added by Commissioner Hughes' attorney, Bob Ewbank.
That is why Bob makes the big bucks.
The bold correction added by Commissioner Hughes' attorney, Bob Ewbank.
But let us not forget that Bob Ewbank, Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes are on "RECORD" against FORCED hook-ups!
Be honest!
Who would not want to cauterize their vas deferens if they knew a Bob Ewbank may soon be shooting through their tubes?
"Be honest!
Who would not want to cauterize their vas deferens if they knew a Bob Ewbank may soon be shooting through their tubes?"
Proud parents Rick and Jeff would love it, they would nurture it, they would hope that it would give them a job after it cheats it's way through school and afterwards...
OK- now how would you all want to solve the fact that the county needs a sewer provider in the northern end? SDRSD can't do it all.
St. Leon needs to be brought into teh fold and told how we want them to handle business in the county land area.
What they do in their own town limits is their business- but they need direction as to what the county expects.
And then the county needs to cooperate (not take over) with the two main providers in the county.
OK- now how would you all want to solve the fact that the county needs a sewer provider in the northern end?
How about they let market forces control their need for sewers?
Period.
Forcing existing residents of St. Leon to subsidize development is criminal in nature.
Forcing existing residents of St. Leon to subsidize development is criminal in nature.
John and John and Bob really hate you...
While Brett just pees on something he thinks you own...
Market forces?
Maxwell don't want no "market forces" keeping him from his profits!
Why do you think he keeps a number of Ewbanks and Watsons in his posse?
Jeff Hughes:
"MARKET FORCES?
NO THANKS.
MY WIFE DOES ALL THE SHOPPING."
Frank Kramer, when queried why he did not just cut his losses and dump Bob Ewbank, was reportedly quoted as saying:
“I ONCE HAD A PROSTATE INFECTION THAT CLEARED UP ALL BY ITSELF…I GUESS IT LEFT ME SOMEWHAT OVERLY OPTIMISTIC…”
High Ridge Estates is still dumping raw sewage into Hogan's Creek and Bob and the twins are still against forced hook-ups.
They must feel awfully stupid forming the DCRSD.
John Maxwell is so selfish, he refuses to even combine his waste with anyone else's by hooking onto St. Leon's sewers...
...makes you wonder just what else John is stockpiling.
The high winds probably knocked your power out.
Let's hear you idiots start blaming everybody else.
The high winds probably knocked your power out.
Let's hear you idiots start blaming everybody else.
If my power goes out, I can still flush my toilets.
The sewer scammers have yet to get to my neck of the woods.
The Stamp Act imposed on the colonies by Great Britain was used to support the refrain of "no taxation without representation" even though not a single penney was ever collected pursuant to it...and this helped to foster a revolution! This puts St. Leon's forced hookups into an historical perspective that makes one wonder why their heinous actions are not even more vocally attacked by even those who are not directly and immediately affected by it.
Mr Bob Ewbank gave Tom Hammond a warning to be careful on what he said because anything he said could be held against him.)
Well well well it's getting serious down there at those commish meetings. We can't have accusations of moral turpitude, or sland, questions of conflicts of interest or maybe anything that is adverse to THE POWERS THAT BE.
Now Mr. Ewbank, Esq. read or quoted just the first of the 4 Miranda rights to that Thom Hammond who was apparently pleading his case too vigorously.
To avoid this unpleasantness in the future I would recommend that immediately after the pledge of Allegance at a Commish meeting the police officer read to all present the four Miranda Right which are printed here for everyone's edification in the event that some one might say or do somthing very naughty at a Commish meeting.
THE MIRANDA RIGHTS:
1. You have the right to remain silent.
2. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
3. You have the right to an attorney.
4.If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.
So pay attention everybody!
Jeff,eyeing uniformed police officers gun,whispers to Bob; will you get me one of those and a roll of caps?
Jeff to Bob:
HOW COME MR. WEST DOES NOT STOP BUY AND GIVE ME EDITORIALS AND CANDY ANYMORE!
Just because Ralph was the only one that showed up at the Lawrenceburg meeting doesn't mean that Rick and Jeff don't support the same thing. They all three can't be at the meeting at the same time or they would need to advertise about all of them being at that meeting. Did anyone ask Ralph about the thoughts of all the commissioners for the Lawrenceburg meeting.
But then again you are able to twist anything to make you feel better and to get more support.
But then again you are able to twist anything to make you feel better and to get more support.
But then again, Rick and Jeff have not lifted a finger to help those being forced to hook-up, have they?
But then again, Rick and Jeff supported the development democrat over the republican fighting forced hook-ups, didn't they?
But then again Rick and Jeff re-appointed both Ensweiler and Pruss, who are for forced hook-ups, didn't they?
But then again, Rick and Jeff brought the DCRSD into existence, knowing that it was going to rely solely on forced hook-ups to bankroll it, didn't they?
But then again, you are well of aware of all their dishonest duplicity, right Hon?
"Did anyone ask Ralph about the thoughts of all the commissioners for the Lawrenceburg meeting."
What "thoughts?"
Ralph only conveyed to the Lawrenceburg Council what Rick, Jeff and Bob repeatedly said, that they were on RECORD against forced hookups.
We all know that it was a lie for political consumption only.
But they put that lie out there, did they not.
Bob and the twins are very clumsy with their political slight of hand.
Arrogance growing from the monopoly of power, has really hurt their game.
But they put that lie out there, did they not.
Lies, like malignant tumors, grow most certainly.
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