What every HVL resident should know about the upcoming VRUC Election.
A letter from Stan Beeler, VRUC board member at large
Summed up – every proposal made for the betterment of the community was DENIED by the Incumbent Members seeking reelection:
The following resolutions/ motions made this last year were DENIED by the incumbent board members (a 5-2 majority):
• Oath of Office; a requirement for an affirmation of dedication by newly elected members to the good of the organization, recognized as a solemn appeal to God to witness the truth of the oath – DENIED
• Code of Ethics; providing for a basis for the moral and ethical conduct of the affairs of the organization and enumerating the restraints on the conduct of the board members – DENIED
• Relocation of Board Meetings: resolution to relocate board meetings from the VRUC garage to the POA community center so as to promote greater membership participation - DENIED
• Special Meeting of VRUC Membership; a motion to call a special meeting of the membership to debate and resolve by consensus the most controversial issues (sewage treatment plant, water well field and treatment plant, contract for sewage and water services, and the election of a new board ) – DENIED
• VRUC Membership Affirmation of the New By-laws Changes; a resolution to allow membership participation in the affairs of the organization by a consensus process – DENIED
• Ad Hoc Committee to Propose By-laws Revisions; a proposal to create a committee of members not on the board to recommend changes – DENIED
• Membership Review of Board Actions; a resolution to allow the membership to confirm or deny board actions in the interim between membership business meetings – DENIED
• Vote of the VRUC Membership in re the Water Well Field Purchase; a motion to allow membership discussion, debate, and vote on the purchase of land in Ohio for a well field and treatment plant prior to final agreement to purchase – DENIED
• Requirement for a Vote of the Board of Directors at a meeting of the Board; per IC23-17-15-1, this resolution was intended to stop individual board members and employees from initiating legal action and other substantive actions without a vote of the board – DENIED
• Record, for the record, all meetings of the Board of Directors; a practice used by most organizations and required of governmental agencies – DENIED
• Adoption of the Indiana Open Door Law ; a resolution designed to surmount the very strong penchant for secrecy on the part of the old guard board members (since the law allows secrecy only in very limited circumstances).
• The Use of Robert’s Rules of Order for the Conduct of all Meetings; being a hopeful attempt to prohibit the chairman fro doing whatever he pleases.
• Annual Meeting Agenda; a formal request, in writing, in the form specified by the new by-laws that most of the issues indicated above and some others be placed on the agenda for the 26 JUN 07 annual meeting was DENIED by the incumbent majority.
The legal fees are killing us
Summed up – The actions and behavior of the past boards have been wasteful of VRUC resources
The failures of fiduciary responsibility are many:
• If the very old maxim is true that every time one talks to a lawyer, he admits of incompetence, then the amount of money spent on lawyers must be a fair measure of that incompetence. The VRUC has, by far, spent more money on legal fees ($413,000. in 2005, more than $700,000. in the last three years, and probably some multiple of millions since the incorporation) than on infrastructure repairs and maintenance in the last 12 years.
• The VRUC has spent large sums of corporate monies in its efforts to obtain the rights to provide sewer and water services to new developments outside HVL, despite that the City of Greendale would need to transport the sewage and provide the water supply, and despite that no HVL resident was to benefit from that scheme by a reduction in utility rates.
• The board spent approximately $70,000. in legal fees alone in their successful effort to defeat the ad hoc membership drive to elect a new board of directors and overturn the sewage treatment plant decision at a special membership meeting in 2006.
• The VRUC charges HVL customers the old robber baron sewer and water rates of the developer, who scammed them into buying a white elephant utility, but pats themselves on the back for not raising utility rates, those rates (both then and now) being among the highest in the state, if not in the country (VRUC pays the City of Greendale 57% of what they charge HVL users for water and 47% of what VRUC charges HVL residents for sanitary sewer services, yet the City of Greendale pays most of the expenses to provide those services ( e.g., VRUC uses 30% of the Greendale water production while paying 15% of Greendale’s total costs of production.))
• The VRUC paid an amount of money unknown to me, but no doubt an ungodly amount, for the feasibility studies and design for the sewage treatment plant on Alpine Drive ( in addition to the legal expenses) without first checking with the appropriate regulatory agencies. A single phone call to OKI would have revealed that the proposed project was in conflict with OKI’s 208 Water Quality Management Plan for Dearborn County.( OKI, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana Regional Council of Governments was designated by the governors of those states to develop the regional water quality program as required by Section 208 of the US Clean Water Act.). Money wasted on an impossible idea.
• And, the very same problems are arising with regard to the old guard efforts to construct a sewage treatment plant and water well field with treatment plant in Whitewater TWP. The VRUC wants to pay Whitewater TWP in Ohio to build the sewage treatment plant at an unknown cost (and has already committed $17,000. to a feasibility study) and be its primary customer, and then construct the water well field without first knowing what the regulatory agencies may do, or what other impediments there may be.
• The above issues are only the tip of the iceberg. Without the free flow of information to the membership, no one can say what interest might be generated in some of the other issues such as the original purchase of the utility.
• The VRUC and the City of Greendale may be very close to a long term contract for water and sewer services (at not unfavorable rates that are much lower than VRUC charges its members) thanks to the tireless efforts of Jack Arduin. Although Jack is hopeful, even trusting, that the old guard faction will not impede the negotiations, I am not so sanguine. One might ask why, in the middle of negotiations with the City of Greendale, the board would undertake costly negotiations with other entities for those services, which schemes are likely in conflict with the requirements of regulatory agencies from the start.
It seems to be all about power
Summed up – the reactionary board members have done, and continue to do all that they are able to remain in power.
The new VRUC by-laws adopted by the incumbent majority on the board require that they will remain in office, REGARDLESS OF THE VOTE, unless a quorum of 30% of the membership casts ballots. That number is presumably 830 ballots, while the highest number of ballots cast in any past VRUC election is probably fewer than 400. The by-laws revision was devised by the incumbent majority of the board to keep them selves in power, and so they shall remain in power unless the reform group is able to get out the vote.
The old guard members of the board (three of whom are the incumbents up for reelection) have publicly stated at board meetings that their belief is firm that they were elected to act and think for the VRUC membership and that ipso facto the membership has no rights to information possessed by the board, has no rights of review of board actions, may not have any effective voice in the affairs of the corporation, and may not vote on any issue other than the election of board members.
The newsletter published by the ad hoc committee established to oppose the sewage treatment plant on Alpine Drive and to call for a special meeting of the membership to oust the board of directors last year does a good job of presenting the issues regarding the upcoming election to HVL residents. I would like with this letter, only to add to those comments my own thoughts regarding the issues raised.
My view, from the perspective of a reform candidate on the board for a year, is that the policies and actions of this and past boards reveal a consistent pattern of 1) arrogance, 2) a strong sense of mission with regard to their own agenda without even caring what might be the will of the membership, 3) an overwhelming desire for secrecy with regard to the management and operations of the utility, 4) a disregard of the constitutionally protected individual and property rights of the members of the corporation, 5) acceptance of the concept that the end justifies the means, and 6) a complete failure of fiduciary responsibility to the membership.
I cannot be entirely certain of the past and present motives for the actions of old guard members of the board. There seems good reason to believe some of the personal gain theories with regard to the provision of VRUC services to new developments outside HVL, although that is not now shown to be the case. Nevertheless, the old guard board members have persistently argued that there is nothing improper, nor immoral, nor illegal about the provision of services for profit by a nonprofit, mutual benefit corporation to persons and entities who are not members. There are other possible explanations for their behavior, but I believe that at least major factors are that people in power want to stay in power and that some otherwise socially disciplined people desire to control the lives of others.
My proposed by-laws revisions recognized those problems, inherent in any organization without checks on the behavior of those in power, by attempting to address the issue by the direct election of officers annually, with each officer permitted to succeed himself only once in a given position, thus requiring one to move up through the chairs to president (for a maximum two years) and then
Be out or recycle to a member at large position.
When I was elected to the board last year, I believed that those who voted for me did so because I indicated that I would do everything in my power to revise the by-laws to allow for greater participation, oversight, and control by the membership of the affairs of the organization. So far, I have failed.
By-laws Revisions
Summed up – The VRUC by- laws have always been a disaster for the membership, but now they are much more devastating.
I offered very soon after the election last year a set of by-laws revisions with:
a) A new section providing the purposes of the organization ( including, to seek efficiencies and improvements so as to provide services at the lowest possible rates).
b) A new section providing the methods of achieving those purposes ( including, the promotion of the maximum possible participation of the membership in the affairs of the organization).
c) Sections to allow the membership to vote to amend the articles of incorporation and by-laws (now being the sole prerogative of the board).
d) Provisions to require at least four membership business meetings each year ( versus the single meeting now held with no membership participation in the business ( and now, without even an election)), the use of Robert’s Rules of Order in the conduct of all meetings, to limit the use of so called “special board meetings” and executive sessions which prohibit member attendance ( you may be surprised to know that the board conducted more special meetings and executive sessions than regularly scheduled meetings this last year).
e) Provisions for the direct election of officers for one year terms ( Jerry Hacker has been the president of the VRUC since its inception).
f) Provisions allowing membership oversight and ratification of board actions.
The board did nothing with my proposal until the secretary of the board, Dana Hensley offered a counter proposal including by-laws changes which would:
a) Increase from 10% to 20% the number of members required to sign a petition asking for a special meeting of the membership.
b) Rule out proxy voting.
c) Allow the secretary of the board of directors to cast election ballots on behalf of all members who did not cast their own (making all elections meaningless, and making the 30% quorum irrelevant, since an opposition candidate would need to garner more than 50% of the total possible vote to win an election.
d) Allow for the cancellation of the election of an unopposed member of the board.
e) Allow the majority of the board to remove any member of the board without cause.
Finally, on 26 October, at a “special meeting” without member scrutiny, the majority voted against my proposal and for Mr. Hensley’s. Those provisions were modified somewhat by the VRUC attorney, but the new by-laws are no less efficacious in the achievement of the aims of the incumbent board members, those being the absolute and total control of the VRUC by the current majority faction of the board, the denial of any rights whatever to the membership, the near impossibility of the membership to discharge incumbent board members, the total suppression of information, discussion, debate, and oversight by the membership, the ability of the majority board faction to remove board members not in agreement with the majority, and the transmogrification of
the annual meeting into something unrecognizable in a democratic society, a meaningless exercise in nihilism and futility, where no votes are allowed, no agenda items permitted to be raised by the membership, and where no actions by the membership may occur.
AN EXHORTATION TO HVL RESIDENTS TO VOTE IN THE VRUC ELECTION
I do not know how many HVL residents, who are the voting members of the VRUC, approve of the management, the voting record, the attitude with regard to lawsuits, the plans for a sewage treatment plant on Alpine Drive or for a water well field on chemically farmed land in a flood plain in another state, or of the Draconian circumscription of member rights by the incumbent members of the VRUC board of directors; but, those who favor what the VRUC board has been doing for the past several years should vote for the incumbents on this year’s ballot.
If the number of HVL residents who support the incumbents up for reelection ( which is to say the activities of the past boards, since they are the past boards ) is significant, then it would be better for the organization and for HVL that we all know of that sentiment by the number of votes cast in their favor than for them to remain in office by default.
Those who wish to vote but have misplaced their ballots will not be able to vote at the annual meeting due to the by-laws changes. You will probably need to go to the VRUC office for a new ballot because the ballots this year are printed on a paper not reproducible.
There seems no doubt that various ways to throw out ballots will be found during the counting process. It may be advisable to be very careful about filling out the ballot and envelope. In this regard, I notice that they ask for a single lot number on the envelope which has an account number for each lot without identifying the lot number by account number. Some with multiple lots may write in all of their lot numbers or indicate a lot number not corresponding to the account number on the envelope. That may be problematic depending on how honest the election is.
Again, I ask that everyone vote the election ballots so that we all may know what are the wishes of the membership with regard to the direction the board.
I urge you to vote for Robert Ziegler, Robert Hamilton, and Robert Yaggi, but, in any event, please vote so that a true consensus of the HVL residents may be obtained.
Stan Beeler
Board Member at Large
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That may be problematic depending on how honest the election is.
If the "Old Guard" loses by just one vote...don't expect them to bellow for a recount...
...an honest recount may find dozens or more anti-incumbents votes in drawers and behind cabinets!
VRUC NOTICE:
Ballots may be disqualified for use of the wrong color of ink-pens.
Ink color to be determined after election at a time yet to be determined!
The HVL-POA, who represents the same people as the HVL-VRUC, needs to help the people have representation before and during the VRUC election for an undisputed vote count. The entities are different but have the same membership.
HVL-POA - Demand your people's vote be open and fair in this VRUC election!
I think Maria Larosa is correct when she says we should FORCE members to vote.
"I think Maria Larosa is correct when she says we should FORCE members to vote."
Don't know about that but more people do need to be aware of what is going on the VRUC is out of control.
"Don't know about that but more people do need to be aware of what is going on the VRUC is out of control."
No rate increase in twelve years. I can live with that kind of "out of control."
I think the above means...Dearborn County is corrupt. Everyone who is in office has some reason to be in it for themselves and not the people they represent. It's a shame and a crying shame more people don't know that they don't know what is going on. Experience on the boards doesn't mean they know what they are doing. How can office holders be in charge of taxpayer money when they can't handle their own money. It all smells a bit fishy to me.
"I think the above means...Dearborn County is corrupt."
The spanish word for corrupt is "corrompa."
The VRUC board members are NOT in charge of taxpayer money.
VRUC is a "Not for profit corporation" which by state and federal law must be audited by an independent auditing firm.
How would you know if a board member can't handle their own money?
Just heard only 290 more votes needed to get them out of there.. (Unless they change the rules again)Call everyone you know to make sure they are voting...Aren't you sick of paying such high rates..
I found this on an HVL web site.
The easiest accusation to prove false is where RASTP states "HVL residents pay one of the highest rates in the State of Indiana." You can easily go to the Website address listed below and see proof that VRUC RESIDENTS DO NOT pay one of the highest sewer and water rates in the State of Indiana. This Website will prove that VRUC ranks 18th lowest out of a possible 48 for water rates in the State of Indiana and 4th lowest out of a possible 10 for sewer rates in the State of Indiana. Since VRUC is classified a "not for profit" business please figure only the columns marked NFP (not for profit). The Website addresses are as follows:
WATER:
http://www.in.gov/iurc/water-sewer/docs/bc_water_2006.pdf
SEWER:
http://www.in.gov/iurc/water-sewer/docs/bc_sewer_2006.pdf
"(Unless they change the rules again)"
I read that VRUC is following the by-laws.
What is wrong with that?
Talk to people who live outside of the valley, ask them what their rates are. They are using the same water an paying lower rates. VRUC (Sammy) just wants to build a sewage plant so they can build houses. On the property behind the pool. Do you really want 170 houses more or less there?
“Talk to people who live outside of the valley,… They are using the same water an paying lower rates.
I would hope so! Since what VRUC pays to Greendale for pumping sewage on to the sewage plant covers 100% of the Greendale and VRUC processing cost, Greendale residents should pay a lot less than VRUC members for sewage.
As for water, Greendale cannot supply all of the valley requirements. So they must purchase about 20% from the Bright water company at a higher rate than Greendale.
Also, what other Greendale assets are shared between the City and Utility departments.
“VRUC (Sammy) just wants to build a sewage plant so they can build houses.”
Sammy is not on the VRUC board. The VRUC is permitted by the state to pick up the area up State Line Rd. to Georgetown Rd. to the NW entrance to HVL. The reason for this is many of the old septic systems are failing and sh** flows down hill. This is an effort to keep sewage from seeping into the lakes.
“Do you really want 170 houses more or less there?”
1810 houses in the valley, hundreds more through Bright. What is 170 more or less if the infrastructure can handle it.
What is 170 more or less if the infrastructure can handle it.
Let us not talk about the sewer infastructure problems already existing at Hidden Valley!
That might get in the way of a realtor or developer making a buck at the taxpayers' expense!
If the VRUC had used all the money they wasted to fix their sewage lines Greendale wouldn't have to be taking care of them..An most of the sh** flowing is right here in HV in more ways than one.
" Sammy is not on the VRUC board. "
She may not be but she is pushing for the plant for her own selfish reasons that have nothing to do with what's good for Hidden Valley or the area around it..
"1810 houses in the valley, hundreds more through Bright. What is 170 more or less if the infrastructure can handle it."
It can't
What makes Hacker only give the people 19 days to vote; the meeting is the 26 and ballets have to be in by the 22, whats with that, what happen to at lease another 3days for the members to respond. members on athree week vacation come home find a ballet and vote is over. Hacker said at the last V.R.U.C. meeting, everything was cut short because he was going out of town, another words to hell with the members being first it's all about him. COUNT DOWN WE HAVE 540 VOTES WE NEED 290 FOR YOUR VOTE TO COUNT!!!!!!!5DAYS LEFT GO HVL GO WE CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HACKER says we don't get payed to be on this. HA ,HA,this is one big party B,O,D, when they party they gamble you money away at the poker tables etc, isn't that right Sammy Girl, Bittner, Hacker, Armbrecht, Sypniewski, Hensly and Sammy isn't that another reason you still hang around the VRUC gang; Dealers at Argosy no all about you guys right Mr. Price.......290 votes needed in 5 days ask for a recipt for your vote !!!!! After Floyd touches how knows what shreader they will end up in...If it wasn't for Hugh's vote of mercy he would be up for perjury, from planing an zoning B.O.D. ATTONEY McGILL was going to press charges but Hughs save him with his vote!!!!!!! Mitter wanted to do the right thing but spot by Sammy's Best friend Jeff Hugh's, Just think if the right thing was done we the members would have had one dishonest man out of the way!!!!!! 290 votes tell your friends and families to drop off ballets with recipts............
Maybe I missed seeing it who counts the votes?
Who counts the votes?
or is it
Who sorts the votes then counts?
Vote Jeff Hughes off the County Commissioners!!!
Who counts the votes?
or is it
Who sorts the votes then counts?
"HE WHO COUNTS THE VOTES AND HE WHO DETERMINES WHICH VOTES COUNT!!!
"The reason for this is many of the old septic systems are failing and sh** flows down hill. This is an effort to keep sewage from seeping into the lakes."
The sh** seeping into HV lakes is coming from HV it's self, because VHUC wasted money that could an should have been used to fix their sewage lines.
The "Old Order"
Jerry Hacker is the only elected incumbent up for election.
Danny Armbrecht, and Bob Sypniewski were appointed to their positions by the "old order" leadership of VRUC, NOT elected by the people of HVL.
In 5 days an additional 290+/- votes are needed to satisfy VRUC's bylaws requirement of 830 votes which will allow the peoples vote to be implemented.
Time for Your vote to be counted, heard and make a YOUR choice of CHANGE or the "old order".
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
VOTE NOW! FOR THE GOOD GUYS!!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
“..Danny Armbrecht, and Bob Sypniewski were appointed..”
As I recall, Danny Armbrecht submitted his application to run for the VRUC board at a time when no one else was interested. The board was so happy to have someone take interest that the number of positions was increased to automatically accept him since there was no opposition. Bob Sypniewski who had attend many VRUC monthly meetings was appointed to fill a vacancy even after stating that he was against building a sewer plant.
By-the-way, the construction of the sewer plant has been off the table for some time now. Why do some people still insist it is being built?
The candidates presented by "residents against the sewage treatment plant" (RASTP) have never attended VRUC meetings until last month when only one of them had audacity to show up. The evidence around the valley is that one person is organizing and financing RASTP candidates so that she will be able to pull the puppet strings to control VRUC.
Vote for the honest caring and experienced incumbents:
Hacker
Armbrecht
Sypniewski
"The evidence around the valley is that one person is organizing and financing RASTP candidates so that she will be able to pull the puppet strings to control VRUC."
Bull crap there is a lot more than one person, if your referring to who I think you are, she is just doing the leg work.
You complain the candidates didn't attend meeting, yet, when one does show up your response is
""one of them had audacity to show up""
Why would you put it that way? Do you have to be someone special to attend meeting? Are they private meetings?
The incumbents have had their chance to make things work, it's time for a change.
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
Presently we have 3 interested people graciously willing and able to fill the "Old Orders" positions on the VRUC board.
As per the bylaws before last year, appointees had up to one year to serve until the next annual election in June. Mr. Armbrecht should have been up for election in June of 2005. Craig Lysne and Homer Hodge were the two candidates in 2004 for which two new position on the VRUC were added. Mr. Armbrecht was appointed to replace Home Hodge sometime before June of 2005. Since Mr. Armbrecht was not on the ballot in 2005, is he a legal incumbent?
Using meeting attendance as a criteria for board appointments, when the regular monthly meetings last 15 minutes and the closed-to-public executive sessions last much longer. I don't know what knowledge would be gained by attendance?
The sewer plant's tabling? - when will it be "back on the table"? Having an opposing resident majority in the executive sessions would end this saga.
Meeting attendance by candidates and residents would be best attended in a public meeting place,
not the VRUC Garage.
As for honest, caring and experience, the "Old Board" needs evidently more than these qualities. Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm is running the VRUC. That is a very expensive option that new board members can change. VRUC's sewer system (infrastructure)and bond-debt reduction need the money not the Attorneys.
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
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“…willing and able to fill the "Old Orders" positions on the VRUC board.”
Questionable.
”…is he a legal incumbent?”
BY-LAW Section 4.02 paragraph (d): “…Any Director so elected or appointed to fill a vacancy shall hold office for the unexpired term of the vacancy…”
”I don't know what knowledge would be gained by attendance?”
Obviously none if you don’t attend..
“when will it be "back on the table"?”
Hopefully never, if we can get a contract with Greendale that does not increase our rates by 50%.
“Meeting attendance by candidates and residents would be best attended in a public meeting place, not the VRUC Garage.”
If it’s good enough for the office staff, it good enough for the few members that attend.
Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm is running the VRUC. That is a very expensive option that new board members can change.
This is an obvious falsehood. Do you prefer “3 interested people” with no legal experience deal with the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission (IURC), Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM), and Greendale legal counsel?
"BY-LAW Section 4.02 paragraph (d): “…Any Director so elected or appointed to fill a vacancy shall hold office for the unexpired term of the vacancy…”"
Above is the amended by-law which came into effect on February 20, 2006 and signed by all 7 "old order" board members, including Mr. Armbrecht. The original by-law before February 20, 2006 read as follow:
Section 4.03. Election and Vacancies. ...... "Any Director elected to fill such vacancy shall serve until the next annual meeting following appointment."
"“when will it be "back on the table"?”
Hopefully never, if we can get a contract with Greendale that does not increase our rates by 50%."
As the new 30 year contract with Greendale was written, the rates were identical with the fees VRUC is now paying Greendale. Where did you see a the 50% increase in the new unsigned contract?
Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm is running the VRUC. "Do you prefer “3 interested people” with no legal experience deal with the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission (IURC), Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM), and Greendale legal counsel?"
Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has allowed VRUC to escape the penatilies associated with not repairing a failing collection since 1995. This non-compliance has cost VRUC dearly,including last month, a $40,000 fine from the Indiana Attorney Generals office that Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has no power to control.
I'll admit Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has almost too much control of IDEM and IURC. As for not building a sewage plant, if it wasn't for OKI's federal 208 water quality plan of 1977 of which Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has no control, VRUC would have had an IDEM NPDES permit and an unnecessary sewage treatment plant on Alpine drive upwind from the main HVL entrance. OKI was also very interested in having a copy of the 1500 proxy votes representing the voice of the people of HVL.
Should we discuss VRUC's bond debt reduction in the last 12 years of "old order"rule?
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
Anonymous said... 2nd try at posting
"BY-LAW Section 4.02 paragraph (d): “…Any Director so elected or appointed to fill a vacancy shall hold office for the unexpired term of the vacancy…”"
Above is the amended by-law which came into effect on February 20, 2006 and signed by all 7 "old order" board members, including Mr. Armbrecht. The original by-law before February 20, 2006 read as follow:
Section 4.03. Election and Vacancies. ...... "Any Director elected to fill such vacancy shall serve until the next annual meeting following appointment."
"“when will it be "back on the table"?”
Hopefully never, if we can get a contract with Greendale that does not increase our rates by 50%."
As the new 30 year contract with Greendale was written, the rates were identical with the fees VRUC is now paying Greendale. Where did you see a the 50% increase in the new unsigned contract?
Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm is running the VRUC. "Do you prefer “3 interested people” with no legal experience deal with the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission (IURC), Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM), and Greendale legal counsel?"
Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has allowed VRUC to escape the penatilies associated with not repairing a failing collection since 1995. This non-compliance has cost VRUC dearly,including last month, a $40,000 fine from the Indiana Attorney Generals office that Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has no power to control.
I'll admit Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has almost too much control of IDEM and IURC. As for not building a sewage plant, if it wasn't for OKI's federal 208 water quality plan of 1977 of which Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm has no control, VRUC would have had an IDEM NPDES permit and an unnecessary sewage treatment plant on Alpine drive upwind from the main HVL entrance. OKI was also very interested in having a copy of the 1500 proxy votes representing the voice of the people of HVL.
Should we discuss VRUC's bond debt reduction in the last 12 years of "old order"rule?
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
11:04 PM
This is an obvious falsehood. Do you prefer “3 interested people” with no legal experience deal with the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission (IURC), Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM), and Greendale legal counsel?
How about " 3 interested people" who are not inclined to constantly change the by-laws to ensure their respective incumbancies??????
How about " 3 interested people" who are not inclined to constantly change the by-laws to ensure their respective incumbancies??????
How do we know that?
”…This non-compliance has cost VRUC dearly,including last month, a $40,000 fine…”
This fine dates back to the previous owner who was fined over $1,000,000.00. When VRUC took over the valley system VRUC had to assume all liabilities. The EXPERIANCED board members and staff were able to get this reduced to $40,000.00.
Experienced. Oops, sorry for the misspelling.
"The EXPERIANCED board "
Yeh Right!
”As the new 30 year contract with Greendale was written, the rates were identical with the fees VRUC is now paying Greendale. Where did you see a the 50% increase in the new unsigned contract?”
From what I have learned, the first offer two years ago requested a 50% increase. That is what triggered the move toward independence and building a sewer plant. The present contract will raise HVL rates as the Greendale resident’s rates increase. This seems more reasonable. But it is a 30 year contract written with legal counsel. That is why any reasonable person would have an attorney review it.
Vote for the honest caring and experienced incumbents:
Hacker
Armbrecht
Sypniewski
"From what I have learned, the first offer two years ago requested a 50% increase. That is what triggered the move toward independence and building a sewer plant. The present contract will raise HVL rates as the Greendale resident’s rates increase. This seems more reasonable. But it is a 30 year contract written with legal counsel. That is why any reasonable person would have an attorney review it."
Bose McKinney & Evans Law firm read the contract before the "ink dried on the paper".
The "old order board" took a "wait-and-see attitude".
Now their experience and obfuscation will be become apparent.
”The "old order board" took a "wait-and-see attitude".
Now their experience and obfuscation will be become apparent.”
Taking steps to become free and independent of a government owned monopoly is hardly a “wait-and-see attitude.” Especially when a senior person of that governing body publicly stated that he will not meet with the VRUC negotiating committee.
Obviously the VRUC board was not obfuscated but clearly many residence of the valley are. I agree the VRUC should make more information available to the members. That said, they are elected to negotiate contracts which is a confidential process until signed and made public.
Vote for the honest caring and experienced incumbents:
Hacker
Armbrecht
Sypniewski
Vote for the honest caring and experienced incumbents:
Hacker
Armbrecht
Sypniewski
How about each vote counting the same, not the nonsense you all installed with your "quorum" requirements?
Answer that VRUC Boss Hoggs and Hoggetts?
are not inclined to constantly change the by-laws to ensure their respective incumbancies??????
How do we know that?
So, if there is an remote outside chance these anti-incumbant candidates are as corrupt as the current board, we should just vote for the corrupt we know as opposed to possible corruption that is not presently evident?
Geesh!
You are reaching and desperate!!!
The night of your incumbant election loss, let us not hear about any shredding or burning party at the VRUC!
Vote for the honest caring and experienced incumbents:
Hacker
Armbrecht
Sypniewskiz
Yeah!!! Give these three candidates another chance to change the by-laws once again, to a poin that ensures their positions on the Board for life, or until their handlers in the realtor/development grow tired of them!!!!!!!!
I just read through the HVL diatribe. In case you hadn’t noticed, this is the “Dearborn County IN – Public Forum.
Why don’t you cry babies use the HVL forum?
Don't think they are allowed free speech in HVL
"Don't think they are allowed free speech in HVL"
This is the problem on this blog, too many people "don't think"
This is the problem on this blog, too many people "don't think"
And the folks that bribe you tell you what to think!
Have fun this comming election!
Hide all them votes!!!
In case you hadn’t noticed, this is the “Dearborn County IN – Public Forum.
Why don’t you cry babies use the HVL forum?
Why don't you elite cry-babies allow an honest and open election?
Mr. Price, Esq., has already drafted pleadings to contest the trumping of his candidates in the upcoming election...
...of course, his bill will be paid by the good folks of Hidden Valley.
May all the rate-paying folks of Hidden Valley vote once.
May the power hungry board members not vote more than 10 times (via their built-in, and self-serving, quorum requirements).
Let me see, the VRUC incumbants trumpet the fact that the already high sewage rates have not gone up further while Hidden Valley sewer infastracture is failing exponentially.
Funny!
Incompetent!
But funny, none-the-less!
The VRUC Board:
Self-proclaimed, self-ordained experts on all things sewer related!
Don't you dare vote them out of office!
So says Lord Hacker!!!
"
Self-proclaimed, self-ordained experts on all things sewer related!
"
THAT WAS FUNNY!!!!
"I just read through the HVL diatribe. In case you hadn’t noticed, this is the “Dearborn County IN – Public Forum.
Why don’t you cry babies use the HVL forum?"
Apparently, the VRUC's Peter Principles credentials and bona fides are not limited to sewage issues...but also to geography.
Unless, of course, HVL is not located in Dearborn County!!!!!!!
The VRUC is most certainly "Peter Principled" out!!!
They have far exceeded their respective levels of imcompetence!!!
Utilizing Occam's razor (selecting a theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest hypothetical entities), the VRUC's Board is both incompetent and duplicious.
But let us not just dwell on their finer points!
Unless, of course, HVL is not located in Dearborn County!!!!!!!
As my ole Grandmother would say:
"WHAT A NICE WAY TO CALL SOMEONE A DIP-SHIT!"
This is the problem on this blog, too many people "don't think"
I see you found your way to this "blog?"
I guess, to postulate, you don't think, therefore you are not (as contrasted to "Cogito ergo sum")?
Welcome to the "brute stuff" which occupies space between you, the corrupted, and the rest of us, the uncorrupted.
"Cogito ergo sum"
Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum.
All I ask is for the corrupted and the uncorrupted to doubt. Don't believe all that is written. And you decide who is corrupt.
"Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum."
There is no "doubt" what side is for open goverment and what side is for the continuance of back-room dealing.
Dubito
One thing you can believe- boards that set up by-laws to circumvent normal democratic process are not free from conflicts of interest- and are definitely operating in self- interest.
"One thing you can believe- boards that set up by-laws to circumvent normal democratic process..."
Please take note, that not one of the putative pro-VRUC posters on this blog has addressed such issue!
The current VRUC board's antics smell like a sewer!
"One thing you can believe- boards that set up by-laws to circumvent normal democratic process are not free from conflicts of interest- and are definitely operating in self- interest."
Well Said!
NOW, How about sending all our sewer, water and gas bill payments to the POA, to be held in escrow until this un-democratic mess can be "fixed".
Make the checks, pay to the order of, HVL-POA AND HVL-VRUC. Send them to the POA office Schmarr Drive.
"Money talks"..
Make the checks, pay to the order of, HVL-POA AND HVL-VRUC. Send them to the POA office Schmarr Drive.
"Money talks"..
How will L. Parvin Price make his new Mercedes payments?
I swear, If L. Parvin Price was a Pediacric Oncologist, he would be investing in asbestos Pampers and kiddie Marlboros!!!
"How will L. Parvin Price make his new Mercedes payments?"
I think the $20,000 monthy payment for past services rendered to the VRUC should take care of his monthly payments for a year or so.
"Money talks"
ps,
The payment is listed under unrelated office expense.
…as Hidden Valley sewer lines continue to infiltrate…
…Hidden Valley dollars to Price undoubtedly migrate!
From wikipedia.org
A corporation is a legal entity (technically, a juristic person) which has a separate legal personality from its shareholders.
The defining legal rights and obligations of the corporation are: (i) the ability to sue and be sued; (ii) the ability to hold assets in its own name; (iii) the ability to hire employees; (iv) the ability to sign contracts; and (v) the ability to make by-laws, which govern its internal affairs.[1] Other legal rights and obligations may be assigned to the corporation by governments or courts. These are often controversial.
"The defining legal rights and obligations of the corporation are: (i) the ability to sue and be sued; (ii) the ability to hold assets in its own name; (iii) the ability to hire employees; (iv) the ability to sign contracts; and (v) the ability to make by-laws, which govern its internal affairs.[1] Other legal rights and obligations may be assigned to the corporation by governments or courts. These are often controversial."
They have these rights yes, but they have abused them..time for a change don't you think?
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
(v) the ability to make by-laws, which govern its internal affairs.[1] Other legal rights and obligations may be assigned to the corporation by governments or courts. These are often controversial.
As the VRUC "Near-do-wells" cloak their nefariousness within the letter of the law, while totally abrogating the spirit of the law!!!
Try again, VRUC spinmeister!!!
the main issue to me as a customer of the vruc is that we all need sewer and water. When you have people on a board such as this who are not capable of agreeing on a water and sewage contract . I think its about time to replace them . Mr. Hacker with all do respect why after all these years why was not a contract agreed on with Greendale? We all as property owners of HVL need water and sewage! WE cant install a septic or a water sistern. I think its about time for Mr. Hacker to resign from the board imediately! If a coach on a team does not win a game he is forced to resign or to be fired. Its time for a change . The president of the US does not stay in office as long as Mr. Hacker stays In. Hey I think its time for Mr. Hacker to retire and step Down. Thank you and may the best new board member win!
Thank you and may the best new board member win!
That would be Ziegler!
I think its about time for Mr. Hacker to resign from the board imediately!
Why?
Mr. Hacker has already deemed himself to be the best person for the position.
He sees little reason to even hold elections.
Just ask him.
Mr. Hacker's pride is definitely hastening his fall!
As I understand it Greendale just took HVL on to help them out until they could get the sewage troubles fixed. But the VRUC never even tried to repair their lines or fix the system. Instead have spent the money else where. Then turned around an tried to make Greendale look like the bad guys.
The realtors and developers in control of the VRUC just saw it as another chance to spend other people's money for their own pet projects.
As are folks like Fehrman and Maxwell on the Dearborn County Sewer Board.
The realtors and developers in control of the VRUC just saw it as another chance to spend other people's money for their own pet projects.
As are folks like Fehrman and Maxwell on the Dearborn County Sewer Board.
"There politicans, they cant help it if they're Greedy & Stupid!!"
But YOU can.............. VOTE!!!!
ONLY 831 VOTES will make a difference!!!
Talk to Your Friends and Neighbors, make sure they VOTE!!!
Overturning a Dictatorship takes a VOTING Democracy!
It's YOUR CHOICE and OPPORTUNITY.
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
Interesting.
The ballots are deposited into a locked ballot box with no one counting.
Who made up the 831 number?
I bet she has blond hair.
"Who made up the 831 number?"
That Number is the best contrived figure that can be obtained from the VRUC office of 30% of the elgible voting lots...stated controlled and counted by the "old order" VRUC board and Floyd Ogden.
Ask the POA officers, staff or BOD if they have a number needed to make the VRUC election valid. They.... as our representatives...should know.
It's YOUR CHOICE and OPPORTUNITY.
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
I heard this election the VRUC is going to an automated ballot counting device:
A "Troy-Built" chipper/shredder!
Is it true that the VRUC Board is timing the counting of ballots to coincide with Stan Beeler's vacation or hospitalization required major illness?
Who will be there when they are counted?
Mr. Hacker has changed the name of VRUC's garage to "TAMMANY HALL" in an effort to convince the residents of Hidden Valley that VRUC meetings have been relocated to a more resident convenient location!
"Who will be there when they are counted?"
If Stan Beeler is present, their will be just one person truly counting the votes.
The other board members present will be looking for spelling errors within the ballots, making them ineligible, depending on for whom the vote is cast.
Expect L. Parvin Price to show up with a briefcase full of affadavits contesting the votes for Stan Beeler in the last election...
...along with such affadivits, L. Parvin Price (or as his friends at the County Club refer to him: L-RAISER) will have in hand a Restraining Order, denying Stan Beeler's authority to count votes!!!
Who thanks God for L. Parvin Price everyday?
Lisa Lehner.
By comparision, her self-serving legal antics appear almost palatable.
When Hacker is defeated in the upcoming election, what are the present odds whether he will go out gracefully, or more in the manner of kicking and screaming, threatening revenge to all the serfs that voted him out of office?
When he leaves the VRUC Campus Grounds, on the VRUC Official Sewer Copter, will he be flashing the "Victory Sign" or will other fingers be directed skyward?
Will Sammy being playing "Hail to the Chief" on her tuba as Hacker lifts off?
"If Stan Beeler is present, their will be just one person truly counting the votes."
Yeah, right!!
Just like he doesn't think he should pay his VRUC fees. And he said those who think he should "are evil."
Beeler is right!
Just ask the X-Matriarch about paying lot availability fees.
She probably has a "handle" on that issue.
"Beeler is right!"
I shudder at the thought.
Hacker is not going to lose he's to rich for that!
Who needs all this political B.S? I am so tired of all the bickering, ugly signs and unwanted mail and phone calls. I just want to live in a peaceful community.
"I just want to live in a peaceful community."
So do I, but just wait until Maria submits her petition with only 50 signatures to the county to make HVL a town. Most people won't vote in the VRUC election because the water flows in and the sewage flows out and all is right with the valley. Wait until the "town" of HVL starts taxing you and you have no say in constantly increasing taxes. You will still have the cost of the POA and VRUC.
While all the activities are going on with this election, VRUC and DCRSD are CONSPIRING to provide sewer service to the Donoma property on the hill above the Ameristop, which is totally surrounded by Greendale.
Why would either group even be involved in such a venture?? Money?? Surely VRUC isn't in any position to provide service to that property! Neither is DCRSD!
ttfn
And HVL wonders why Greendale has problems with VRUC?
For a fair and democratic election, does not a simple majority win?
It seems VRUC not only meddles in the democratic process; but, in areas outside their jurisdiction. This kind of activity does not speak well of the incumbents.
"DCRSD are CONSPIRING to provide sewer service to the Donoma property on the hill above the Ameristop, which is totally surrounded by Greendale."
What has this development to do with HVL? Why is VRUC even considering going outside HVL? Who makes money out of this?
Who makes money out of this?
Follow the sewer money chum line, you will find the same realtors, developers and bankers swimming aroused within its prurient scent!
Wait until the "town" of HVL starts taxing you and you have no say in constantly increasing taxes.
Well, I have an idea!
How about fighting one "Dragon" at a time?
Let us clean up the VRUC before being distracted with other putative future problems down the line.
And I am sure, you are not trying to distract us from our current business of cleaning up the VRUC, are you?
"And I am sure, you are not trying to distract us from our current business of cleaning up the VRUC, are you?"
Heavens no! But you only have two days left to vote.
And if you didn't vote. Keep your mouth shut after Tuesday's meeting.
"Keep your mouth shut after Tuesday's meeting.
And when you lose, please leave quietly...
...leave all the files!
The County Prosecutor will undoubtly be giving you a call!
But you only have two days left to vote.
Even with the benefit of your built-in "quorum" requirements, you will still be handed your walking papers...
as well as any indictments your record prescribes!
"Even with the benefit of your built-in "quorum" requirements, you will still be handed your walking papers..."
Since I have absolutely nothing to do with VRUC, I will leave quietly regardless of who wins. But if you don't vote, you get what you deserve and this forum will be long gone and those who were right will suffer in silence.
and those who were right will suffer in silence.
Just to get on the same page with you, just what group makes up "who were right?"
"Beeler is right!"
I shudder at the thought.
As the corner drug dealer SHUDDERS at the concept of a planned police crackdown and round up!
"DCRSD are CONSPIRING to provide sewer service to the Donoma property on the hill above the Ameristop, which is totally surrounded by Greendale."
What has this development to do with HVL? Why is VRUC even considering going outside HVL? Who makes money out of this?"
For the same reason they want to supply sewage to the property behind the pool. So the realtors, developers and bankers can make more money. That might be why they wanted to build the sewage plant. Don't know about the Donoma property, but Sammy was working for the company that that wanted to put houses behind the pool.
'Wait until the "town" of HVL starts taxing you and you have no say in constantly increasing taxes."
OR
Allow the "old order to survive (Don't Vote) and
"Bitch like hell" when Your property values "drop like a rock" due to Lake pollution caused by a 12 year neglection of the sewage collection system.
Off topic, but how long does a boat trip take around a 150 acre "lake?"
I never quite understood the lake's atraction.
" "Bitch like hell" when Your property values "drop like a rock" "
Have you noticed the houses in HVL are selling for less than the ones in Bright.
"I never quite understood the lake's attraction."
It is called "Viewscape".
You don't use it.
You look at it.
Next,
the lake front owners will be smelling it.
Next,
the lake front owners will be smelling it.
Maybe Hidden Valley can hold the "L. Parvin Price" annual Carp Tourney?
Have you noticed the houses in HVL are selling for less than the ones in Bright.
What Hidden Valley needs is a sewage treatment plant just up wind from it.
That will do wonders for the property values!
Yeah, that's the ticket!
I would like to find out why some customers of the vruc get a water and sewage bill much lower than other vruc members?What is the average bill of a vruc member? What is the highest bill of a vruc member ?IT seems that some customers only pay 10.00 to 40.00 dollars a month. Something is wrong with this senario!Some type of internal investigation should be looked into about this?
"Some type of internal investigation should be looked into about this? "
Maybe some EXTERNAL investigation!
IS the IOUCC internal or external?
Guess we ask Bose Mckinney & Evans' Lawyer. He's well connected.
The "old order" opposition needs at least 30% of the elgible lots voting to assure your vote is heard.
It's YOUR CHOICE and OPPORTUNITY.
VOTE NOW!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
Seems as though most of HVL property owners are to busy to take an interest in what's really been going on in the valley. So it's been easy to pull the wool over their eyes.
Hope they get the message before it's to late.
Do the good people of Hidden Valley list, on their taxes, L. Parvin Price, as a dependant?
They should..
Thinking "outside the box".
Last night the Dearborn County"Regional Sewer District" (DCRSD) in their bi-monthly meeting said they couldn't come close to matching Greendale's contract offer of $2.18/1000 gallons sewage, transport and processing. Concerning VRUC's "Old Order" neglect of the collection system at VRUC, the DCRSD stated "in so many words", if they were able to "take over" or purchase VRUC, the user rates would have to be raised. DCRSD also said that they did not want to spend their money on exorbitant legal fees, noting the over $650,000 that VRUC has already spent over the past several years -- and still owing much more.
Are the "Old Order" going to have a final expensive meeting with their Indianapolis lawyers to consider another "out of the box" strategy...
Have heard that the VRUC staff have a list of lot owners that haven't voted and are calling them on VRUC time to vote for the "Old Order"! (Remember account numbers were required on the outside of the evenlope containing each ballot)
Think "Inside the Box"!
It's YOUR CHOICE and OPPORTUNITY.
VOTE TODAY AT THE VRUC OFFICE!
HAMILTON*** YAGGI*** ZIEGLER
Have heard that the VRUC staff have a list of lot owners that haven't voted and are calling them on VRUC time to vote for the "Old Order"! (Remember account numbers were required on the outside of the evenlope containing each ballot)
Interesting, I thought the ballots were being placed into a “locked-box” with no one counting them?
CORRUPTION, THY NAME IS HACKER AND HIS “OLD ORDER” FOLLIES!!!
Is this "Locked-Box" made from clear plexi-glass?
Hacker, being the Magician that he is (making money “disappear” with nothing to show for it but a shyster's billable hours), might have provided one of his "Magical" false bottom "lock-boxes" to contain the votes!
When will we hear the election results?
The polls close today at 4:00PM.
Per the HVL handbook XVIII.B.10, we must remove the political signs tomorrow. Lets all on both sides be good citizens and take them down.
The election results will be announced at the annual meeting Tuesday night.
Any idea, whatsoever, if the vote reached the number needed to meet the Board's artifical quorum requirements?
Stan Beeler THANKS for writing this enlightening,informative article.
I second in thanking Stan for his article and admire him for his attempts to fashion the VRUC into a Board for all the citizens of Hidden Valley and not just a tool of a few "Movers and Shakers" in the community!!!
Yeah sure.
Get real folks.
Stan is a politician.
Yeah sure.
Get real folks.
Stan is a politician.
Where Hacker and his little troop of disciples, are simply the "Sewer Saviors" of all that is effluence?
"Where Hacker and..."
At least they are intelligent and make intelligent decisions unlike Beller and Arduin who after admitting to costly errors in a thirty year contract said go ahead and sign it anyway.
"The polls close today at 4:00PM.
Per the HVL handbook XVIII.B.10, we must remove the political signs tomorrow. Lets all on both sides be good citizens and take them down."
I invite all of you non-valley residents to visit our main entrance on State Line Road. Pull up to the guard building, make a 'U' turn and take in the 'beauty' of scene. Then thank God that you don't have this scene in your neighborhood.
June 23,2007. 2:40PM
Big Problem?
Signs close to the HVL front gate in Dearborn County.
Since sewage running into HVL lake doesn't bother you, why would a couple of signs near the front gate cause such alarm? Maybe the "Indianapolis Lawyers" should be contacted.
I hear Tuesday after the VRUC Annual meeting ...They'll be history"..
The Hacker,Armbrecht,Sypniewski signs were all removed after the polls closed. Good citizens make good neighbors.
Every sign in HVL has been removed.
"Every sign in HVL has been removed."
That is correct. The eye sore at the main entrance is one foot outside of HVL.
Just another way Maria flaunts her contempt for the will of the majority.
"Where Hacker and..."
"At least they are intelligent and make intelligent decisions..."
"...intelligent decisions?
If you consider "...intelligent decisions to be those that enrich L. Parvin Price's children trust funds...then enjoy you current delusions!
"Just another way Maria flaunts her contempt for the will of the majority.
Majority?
Or a VRUC majority:
A true majority plus 30%?
For those on the VRUC Board who wet their pants in headlights of a true majority?
The Hacker, Armbrecht, Sypniewski signs were all removed after the polls closed. Good citizens make good neighbors.
"Good citizens make good neighbors."
However, "good citizens'" votes don't even start to count until they reach a level of 30%!
You folks are such "phonies!"
VRUC is a "Not For Profit Corporation."
All corporations have simular restrictions in their by-laws.
A corporation is NOT a democracy.
"A corporation is NOT a democracy.
A corporation is answerable to its stockholders.
The VRUC is only answerable to L. Parvin Price and his trollops: Hacker, Armbrecht and Sypniewski!
Vote No to "Trollops!"
VRUC is a "Not For Profit Corporation."
Unless you are a "CONNECTED" realtor or developer!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
”All corporations have simular restrictions in their by-laws.”
Corrupt double-speak of the most morally and ethically-corrupt bureaucrat, after gaining access to the reigns of what should be an honest enterprise!
Section A, paragraph 3, in the by-laws states:
"One can screw the membership, if One's conscience permits such..."
The (1)Hacker, (2)Armbrecht, (3)Sypniewski signs were all removed after the polls closed. Good citizens make good neighbors.
Because you had only "THREE" signs!!!!
Not counting Sammy's tattoos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH BY THE WAY DID YOU KNOW THAT THE ANNUAL MEETING THAT THE VRUC HAS EVERY YEAR THIS YEAR IT DOESNOT HAVE A SIGN UP MENTIONING THE PLACE AND DAY OF SUCH MEETING AND THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE HAD THERE SIGNS OUT FRIDAY AT 6:OO PM JUNE 22. STAN BEELER IS QUALIFIED IN AN HONORABLE POSITION WITHOUT AN OPPORTUNIST BACKGROUND. LOOKS LIKE HILLBILLY HACKER DOESNOT WANT ANYBODY TO SHOW UP AT THE MEETING. THE ELECTION IS'NT OVER UNTILL THE ANNOUNCEMENT AT WILLIES 6/26/07 6:00 PM. BOY STAN BEELER LOOKS LIKE HE WOULD MAKE A GREAT LEADER FOR THE VRUC. WONDER IF ANYONE IS SABOTAGING THE BALLOT BOX THIS WEEKEND, IS THERE A SEWAGE EMERGENCY ????????OR ARE THE IN A PAPER BAG????????? IT AN'T OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS! IS IT MARIA OR SAMMY FOR US PRESIDENT.DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY!!!!
V.R.U.C. closed monday to count ballots. Mr. Plunket is counting. The callers for the people said there were ballets that weren't sent out, we have there names also. The VRUC> staff was busy friday calling all the members who didn't tuurn in there ballets for Hacher!!!!!!!!!!!
The whole thing is UN AMERICA FIXED AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!
”The VRUC is only answerable to L. Parvin Price…”
Typical politician. Tell your lie long enough and often enough and you think people will believe it.
The truth is still available for all to read in a public file at the VRUC office.
With all the RASTP signs still being displayed, they must think we are a Chicago district.
Vote late and vote often.
The truth is still available for all to read in a public file at the VRUC office.
And all are welcome at the VRUC office!!!
Unless, of course, you are not a realtor, developer, banker or Indianapolis shyster!!!
Hey Hacker!!!
Did you hear about the DCRSD’s view concerning your shenanigans?
Even to these dishonest pukes, your dishonest puke is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!
”…DOESNOT HAVE A SIGN UP MENTIONING THE PLACE AND DAY OF SUCH MEETING…”
The announcement for the annual meeting has been published in the ECHOES and on the HVL web site as usual. If you were a resident of HVL you would know that.
"...Did you hear about the DCRSD’s view concerning your shenanigans?..."
Another flamer from outside the valley.
“ECHOES"
That latent, aged sentinel sound...
...As the "Old Guard" marches, goose-step fashion, out of the VRUC building!
Waiving to the empty ranks, where they thought the realtor/developers would be, to see them off!
Another flamer from outside the valley.
Over-active ”GAY-DAR”?
This is not a dating site!!!!!!!
Get your mind out of the gutter.
Who cares about the seniors who don't have a computer smart a-- the Echo's will not get to some members until Monday. there we go again another Price trick! So no one will show up. signs, signs, signs this bit-h sounds like the an only Sammy and Dave hit an run team who steel signs run over anyone in there way, and through the signs in the rumpkie garbage truck on friday. Poor Maria always getting ran over by Sammy. don't forget the cry baby Boyer the proud KKKKKKK mr. plastic who blames everyone else for his mistakes! Vendeta against Greendale because plastic factory blow up. Then he teams up with Patterson to get rid of our 30 year old geese for over $500.00, if he doesn't like nature move to KY. were you plastic factory is and your plastic superfical you belong !! Clean up you own act first and get out of HVL......You and Patterson should have payed the $500.00 Cheap skate, you are just like the VRUC. always using someone elses money, evil is to good for you both. Patterson have you ever told the truth about lake ever, even when there was a $52000.00 leek in main the lake was clean as glass, for your Realtor company, everyones knows you both are phoney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sammy go back to Sneakvill were you came from. Know one will miss you here!!!!Go build another shity house on Bitners Dillsbore property then you go try to live in it. Do everyone a favor hit the road. watch out Bitner she plays footies with everyone!
Why is it, that whenever something in this County does not seem kosher, there is always a realtor or developer somewhere in the mix?
"Why is it, that whenever something in this County does not seem kosher, there is always a realtor or developer somewhere in the mix?"
The realtor or developer cannot easily do business on their own. They need your money to make money easier. They want to do this in the veil of progress and they want to do this in closed or unattended meetings so the public has no idea whats happening.
Presently with the exception of one or two politicians this situation is transpiring in the county.
The gaming money has been good for the community but with it you get an "undesirable entity" that is expected but has to be tempored.
"Vote late and vote often."
The 30% quorum requirements imposed by the corrupt VRUC, has relieved the corrupt board from:
"Voting late and voting often."
"They want to do this in the veil of progress and they want to do this in closed or unattended meetings so the public has no idea whats happening."
Under the "veil of progress" or the guise of a "septic" emergency.
A "septic" emergency usually centered around a realtor/developer's most recent investment where he plans his next subdivision or industrial park!
"Just another way Maria flaunts her contempt for the will of the majority."
As for the will of the majority last year the majority voted the old board out.. But they refused to leave then changed the rules.
"As for the will of the majority last year the majority voted the old board out.. But they refused to leave then changed the rules."
The hypocrisy of the power hungry yokels on the VRUC Board knows no bounds!
"...the Echo's will not get to some members until Monday..."
Last month Jerry W. Hacker posted the VRUC annual meeting notice in the ECHOES on the front page, center column, Bold font.
It looks like the RASTP people are still trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
Also, most seniors who don't have computers are much more informed than you. And those who do have computers obviously aren't as clueless as you.
"Last month Jerry W. Hacker posted the VRUC annual meeting notice in the ECHOES on the front page, center column, Bold font."
Did he also post the importance of this meeting, an importance of voting?
"As for the will of the majority last year the majority voted the old board out.. But they refused to leave then changed the rules."
WRONG
RASTP held a mock election which had no legal standing. They also held a mock meeting and told some residents that they don't belong here (at the meeting). They did manage to get two of their rogue group elected because the VRUC board did not follow the by-laws which require a quorum of 30%.
"Did he also post the importance of this meeting, an importance of voting?"
YES
Did Jerry W. Hacker say he would leave the valley if he lost the election?
NO! Thank god. We need more people like Jerry W. Hacker who volunteers their time to over see the operations of the Valley.
"NO! Thank god. We need more people like Jerry W. Hacker who volunteers their time to over see the operations of the Valley."
Thank you Mr. L. Parvin Price for your input!
Typing this on your laptop, aboard the yacht Hidden Valley residents purchased for you, with Hacker as their financial disburser?
"Did Jerry W. Hacker say he would leave the valley if he lost the election?"
Hopefully, to some third-world dictatorship, where he will fit right in!
NO! Thank god. We need more people like Jerry W. Hacker who volunteers their time to over see the operations of the Valley.
WOW!!!!!!!
Sammy is in full-blown, sycophantic, boot-licking mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Hacker and his darling crew, lose this election by landslide-proportions, after they burn the ballots, they will claim they have a "MANDATE FROM GOD!" to carry on as "GOD'S STEWARDS OF THE VRUC!"
Hacker is like a house-guest that will not leave...
...and somehow, the unwanted house-guest, got a hold of one of your credit cards and has gone as wild as a "hillbilly with a watering hose!"
While I believe " the OLD Guard " hasn't done things exactly right I still find it hard to believe Hacker is a bad guy. Maybe his only fault is not standing up to the others.
"Maybe his only fault is not standing up to the others."
Standing up to others?
Hacker, uses the 30% quorum requirement, to purposely avoid standing up to others!
"Others," do not exist when you can make up the rules to make them non-existent!
The VRUC mission statement, should be about protecting the welfare of the citizens of Hidden Valley...
...not the welfare of a hand-full of realtors and developers!
"Maybe his only fault is not standing up to the others."
Maybe, Hacker, should learn how to stand up to L. Parvin Price!
Maybe, if more kids could handle college math and science, we would have less gawd-blame shysters profiting off us more honest folks!
Society prospers when engineers and scientists ply thier trade!!!
Lawyers!!!
Well, we all know who they prosper!!!
Notice, none of the "Old Guard," have made any reference to Beeler's proposals for the betterment of the community...
...and or why they opposed them!!!!!!!!!!!!
Telling?????????
“While I believe " the OLD Guard " hasn't done things exactly right I still find it hard to believe Hacker is a bad guy. Maybe his only fault is not standing up to the others.”
Amen! You have to wonder how hard working volunteers like Hacker and Acra can maintain their composuer when you have Malcontents like many of the bloggers on this site.
"Notice, none of the "Old Guard," have made any reference to Beeler's proposals for the betterment of the community..."
Read what Beeler writes and then watch him in action. Typical politician.
"Maybe, Hacker, should learn how to stand up to L. Parvin Price!"
Maybe he's afraid to an maybe he has just been swept along an controled by Price an Sammy.
MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE
Why don't you just get the facts.
MAYBE then you won't have to make them up. But then that would take a little effort on your part.
Is this the same Stan Beeler who is the Building Department Director for Forest Park.
I wonder how well he gets along with Realtors, Developers, and Lawyers there. Any better than Hacker?
http://www.forestpark.org/egov/apps/directory/list.exe?path=pro&usr=130
"Read what Beeler writes and then watch him in action. Typical politician."
Read what Hacker writes and then try to vote him out of office after he games the system to his favor. Typical power hungry dictator.
"Amen! You have to wonder how hard working volunteers like Hacker and Acra can maintain their composuer when you have Malcontents like many of the bloggers on this site. "
How does Hacker maintain his composer?
He raises the quorum number once again to keep the majority from voting him from office!
"MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE"
Maybe, maybe, maybe Hacker could tear himself away from his petty lawsuits and vendettas, and just fix the problems for which he was appointed, then promoted himself for life, by manipulating the system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE"
"Is this the same Stan Beeler who is the Building Department Director for Forest Park."
Is this same Hacker who is a Board member of the VRUC?
http://www.hiddenvalley.org-vruc-Hacker-screwup-incompentent-vindictive-indy-lawyer's-bestfriend-realtor-developer-corrupt-sammy's-insideman
"Is this same Hacker who is a Board member of the VRUC?"
Nope!
"Is this same Hacker who is a Board member of the VRUC?"
Nope!
Tuesday is going to be a painful day for the "Old Order!"
Maybe, we can all chip in to buy them their very own "Windmills" to battle!!!!!!!
Let me see if I understand the flow of logic of some posting here:
Beeler: Is for opening up the VRUC processes to the public...
...BAD
Hacker: Is for closing further the VRUC processes to public...
...GOOD
"Why don't you just get the facts.
"
MAYBE I have the facts but just want to give a guy who appears to be decent an excuse for in actions!
Notice, none of the "Old Guard," have made any reference to Beeler's proposals for the betterment of the community...
...and or why they opposed them!!!!!!!!!!!!
Telling?????????
"BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
It will take the State National Guard to remove Hacker and his accessories, before and after the fact, from the VRUC Realtor/Developer compound!
I guess Hacker will bemoan the loss of lawyer related jobs as a consequence of his losing control of the VRUC!!!
VRUC is closed and all the employees have the day off.
Is there any information on how the ballot count is proceeding?
The OLD Guard will win they always win. Nothing can stop them they have to much money an power.
"The OLD Guard will win they always win. Nothing can stop them they have to much money an power."
Thanks for the political lesson...
Now get back to sorting and counting votes!
If the VRUC can pull off a legitimate win, and I stress, "legitimate win,” then the good people of Hidden Valley, deserve the governance of a Board, they did not vote for, or against.
"pull off" denote illegitimate.
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