17 December 2018 Dearborn County Plan Commission Meeting Notes
Present: Dennis Kraus, Jr., Chairman, Russell Beiersdorfer, Mark Lehman, Michael Lynch, Jake Hoog, Bill Ullrich, Jim Thatcher, and Eric Lang
ABSENT: John Hawley
Also Present: Mark McCormack, Plan Director, and Andy Baudendistel, Attorney.
Title VI statement read by Baudendistel as legally required.
ACTION ON MINUTES- no minutes to be approved.
OLD BUSINESS: none
NEW BUSINESS:
- Request: Primary Plat Approval for a Major Subdivision Scenic Ridge Subdivision Applicant: Jeff Talkers / Land Consultants Owner: John T. Maas, Jr. / Scenic Drive, LLC Site Location: Scenic Drive Legal: Sec. 8, T5, R1, Map #07-08, Parcel # 037.001 Township: Lawrenceburg Size: 56.5 Acres
Eric Lang left the room as he works for Land Consultants to avoid a conflict of interest.
McCormack presented the case. The board CANNOT make a decision tonight because there is no letter from DC Regional Sewer District allowing LMU to provide sewers in DCRC territory.
McCormack said it’s predominantly Ag zoning around the site and including the site except for NE with is residential. Views of the site and topography maps were presented. There are plans to level out part of Scenic Drive for site distance as required by the Highway Engineer. Primary Plat review is the first state of the development process. Improvement and Construction Plan process is the 2nd stage. This is the phase where they find out how feasible the plans are. If the codes are met the subdivision primary plat must be approved. This is all laid out in section 200 of the code. About 3.14 acres per lot so it meets code from lot density.
The proposed road runs straight off Scenic Drive where the almost 90 degree turn is located. The site distance issue is because the property in the one direction is mowed sometimes - but it is not owned by the applicant. They may have to consider a stop sign at the one area. Pictures showed the site distance issues.
They still need a letter from DCRC to let LMU serve the area. They do have a letter from LMU. Still need a letter from Lawrenceburg EMS. The fire chief letter said he was concerned about FUTURE growth beyond this with the existing 8 in line. He’s OK with it for this particular development.
County Engineer letter details the site distance needed. The applicants primary plat plans and accompanying information.
Eight adjoining property owners were notified of this hearing.
Jeff Talkers with Land Consultants presented. Jack Maas owns this and wants to develop it for higher end homes. They are to have sewers and fiberoptic. The project will NOT be built unless there is public sewer. We see that this will probably not happen for about 2 years. There was supposed to be a working meeting with LMU and the county sewer board. He does not have an input from that meeting as of yet.
Lehmann asked about the relocation of the center line on Scenic Drive- yes they planned to do that. They also conformed that the school is OK and the cul de sac is made to accommodate the school bus turnaround. Site distance was the biggest issue.
Opened Public Discussion:
Tim Center-Speaking for his parents who live on Scenic Drive. He asked about the rule that it has to be approved if it meets all the codes. McCormack explained that. It is NOT like the discrete that they have with rezoning. This land is not being rezoned. The lot sizes are OK in Ag zone. They need sewer because of the slope that would make getting primary and secondary sites for septic approved. He asked about recourse for the county of the dirt is not moved the way they want for the road issues. McCormack explained the bonding process. He also talked about certificates of occupancy. He also said the bonds are now monitored closely and they don’t lapse. The road is lane and a half- there are no plans to widen it yet.
Angela Carter-He driveway is right before this site. She has grandkids getting the bus there and also in getting mail- has almost been hit out there. Cars miss the curve and end up off the road needing to be pushed out. The hayfield is NOT owed routinely out there.
Shawn J? - lived there most of his life. The grade of the hill is a concern- sun is blinding coming up there. This load nearly triples the number of drivers. This is used as a shortcut to Manchester sometime. Suggest they do a vehicle count. Scenic drive cannot handle any more traffic with it’s current construction. Will Lawrenceburg annex that? That is a concern- He doesn’t think they need another subdivision. This is a country road. It is shady on the hill and ice does not melt on it.
Patrick Mulvaney- owns the 33 acres from Wilson Creek up there. Concerned about stormwater runoff so that it doesn’t run off not his property. McCormack told them about the rule on stormwater control. They have to have a 75 ft setback from Scenic Road. Deterent will be topography. They will need easements for some of the utilities- McCormack agreed. He also asked if the slides were on line- YES. At Planning website.
Mr Stammer- Lives on adjoining property- 4 inch main form Manchester waterworks- not LMU- and no fire hydrants - just a flush out one.
Victor Whitley- owns property at the curve. Wants to know f they can take his property to enrich themselves. He was told they need to get an easement from him to fix the road. Kraus told him they cannot but the county can use the right of way to maintain the road.
Closed Public discussion
Board TABLED this till he January 28th Planning Commission meeting providing they get the DC Regional Sewer and Lawrenceburg EMS letters. Passed. Kraus will try to get updated information on the traffic count of Scenic.
ADMINISTRATIVE:
Plan Commission Meeting Schedule was approved for 2019- It’s available online. The November meeting will be Nov18th not the 25th due to conflict for Kraus. Long discussion about tightening up the deadline rules for materials for cases to be in. Board agreed to do this.
County Zoning Ordinance, with respect to Zone Map Amendments (and applications / forms) - For Jan meeting.
Staff changes: 3 positions open- Karen Abbott is retiring. Part time adm assistant gave notice also. The part time employees are often leaving for full time positions in the county. The code enforcement spot is open also. Starting with interviews now. Accepting applications deadline is January 5. Hoping to have them shadow Karen until she leaves Jan 25. 20-30 good applicants for Mgr spot. Part time has several good ones also. Thatcher wants to talk to McCormack about HR helping with that.
Meeting adjourned at 8:51 PM
Christine Brauer Mueller
Lawrenceburg Township
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