Thursday, May 17, 2007

How Much Land Do We Need for Future Commercial and Industrial Use?

How Much Land Do We Need for Future Commercial and Industrial Use?

Some information researched by Planning office staff for Master Plan Advisory Board:
This might be helpful in discussions of how much commercial and industrial acreage is needed for the future of the county.

Average Sizes of Commerical / Industrial Uses

Fast Food Size of Parcel
McDonald's 35,000 sq.ft.
Burger King 20,000 - 40,000 sq.ft
Taco Bell 35,000 sq.ft.
Long John Silvers 35,000 sq.ft.

Big Box Retail
Walmart

100 Sycamore Estates Dr. 20.32 acres
1143 Smiley Ave 25.58 acres
2322 Ferguson Rd 14.00 acres
3430 Highland Ave 14.10 acres
5375 West Fork 15.51 acres
Average 17.9 acres

Lowes
505 E. Kemper 14.70 acres
10235 Colerain Ave 18.28 acres
970 W Eads Pky 11.75 acres
Average 14.9 acres

Home Depot
1266 Omniplex Dr 14.60 acres
3400 Highland Ave 13.44 acres
Average 14.0 acres

Banks
UCB
92 Walnut St 0.21
215 W Eads Parkway 0.18
1970 Stateline Rd 0.48
Average .291 acres

Fifth Third
132 Calhoun 0.11
4812 Vine St 0.20
7001 Vine St 0.14
1850 Seymour 0.91
6800 Hamilton 0.70
Average .410 acres

US Bank
7660 Reading Rd 0.18
4525 Montgomery Rd 0.69
317 Ridge Ave 0.10
239 Walnut Ave 0.12
1203 W Eads Parkway 0.85
Average .388 acres

Industrial

Honda Plant 1,700 acres
AAP St. Mary's Corp. 58.41 acres

Industrial Parks/Sites
Circleport II 176.80
Enterprise V Industrial Park 133.30
Walton Industrial Park 108.60
Southpoint Business Park 101.00
Tewes Business Parks 47.50
CPX Mt. Zion 45.60
Airpark International 79.70
Northern Ky Industrial Park 44.80
Airpark West 76.30
South Park Business Center 31.10
Executive Center 275 24.00
Circleport IV 19.90
Northern Ky Inudstrial Park II 21.60
Aurora Casket Company 10.00
Anchor Glass 59.18
Andres Property 23.00
Lobenstein Property 25.00
Mariah Property 40.00
Stone Property 50.00
Tanners Creek Properties 100.00
V&G Rack Industrial Park 150.00
Ziegler Property 17.00
Average 62.92 acres

Office Uses
State Farm Insurance
549 Walnut 0.1
23596 Jeb Dr. 0.81
535 Green Blvd. 0.68
2637 Erie Ave 0.2
4953 Delhi Pike 0.13
4796 Ridge Ave 0.21
Average 0.35 acres

*Various office properties for sale
0.23
0.46
0.67
0.78
1.20
1.99
2.50
Total 7.83
Average 1.12 acres
Median .78 acres

*Various warehousing properties for sale
0.87
0.97
1.07
1.54
1.60
2.50
2.82
2.92
3.00
3.00
3.12
3.42
4.23
4.96
6.41
7.00
9.72
10.00
12.00
30.00
Total 111.15
Average 5.56 acres
Median 3.06 acres

*Various manufacturing properties for sale
0.52
1.33
2.01
3.15
6.07
8.87
9.50
29.00
Total 60.45
Average 7.50 acres
Median 4.61 acres

* The acreages for these industrial uses were obtained
through the Colliers International list of commercial
properties for sale in various regions throughout Ohio,
Kentucky, and Indiana.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

it is not just how much land, but how little can be paid for such land by the developers who buy up farm land not currently zoned for commercial use but who have "friends" in government who would gladly rezone such land after these developers complete their respective purchases at "rural" rates.

Anonymous said...

None of these are even close to the 2000 acres DCEDI (Jim West) wants!!

Somebody must really want to get rich.

Anonymous said...

Just because the list is for individual lots doesn't mean that we should not try to combine the idustrial uses into a Industrial Park or Commercial/Industrial subdivision. This would be better planning for the community. This is why there should be a search for a larger tract of land.

I think the county is just looking for a tax base.

Anonymous said...

"This is why there should be a search for a larger tract of land."

Just make sure all the planning for these larger tracts of land are kept secret and behind closed doors...

This way, the likes of Fehrman and Red Apple can make their offers for such land to unsuspecting land owners who are not privy to the same inside knowledge...

We would not want someone other than the chosen few to prosper in this County. A County run by the few, to prosper only the few!!!

Anonymous said...

"Just make sure all the planning for these larger tracts of land are kept secret and behind closed doors..."


The "Pro-Development" folks certainly get real quiet when aspects of their "back-office, closed-door" ways of doing business are brought up.

I wonder why that is?

Anonymous said...

Do you feel left out if you talk to them maybe you can be a part of something.
Just anything to be heard and noticed.

Anonymous said...

"Do you feel left out if you talk to them maybe you can be a part of something."

One must pay the requisite $5000.00 entry fee, learn the secret hand-shake and promise to be for any and all unrestrained development...at the taxpayers' expense of course...to be, as you define it: "Part of something."

Thanks but no thanks!

I actually have a job that exists separate from needing political cronies to subsidize my employment with taxpayer dollars!

Anonymous said...

"Just anything to be heard and noticed."

I notice you still are quite dead set against addressing the "closed-door-back-office" way your side insists and persists on doing the "PUBLIC'S BUSINESS."

I wonder why that is?

Anonymous said...

"To be part of something..."


To be part of: bulldozing all the flora and fauna of Dearborn County to make way for cement and asphalt sealing!

Anonymous said...

"Do you feel left out?"


How can one feel left out when the taxpaying citizens are free to speak their minds during the "Public Comment" portion of PUBLIC meetings.

Oh!!! Never mind!!!

Anonymous said...

"Just make sure all the planning for these larger tracts of land are kept secret and behind closed doors...This way, the likes of Fehrman and Red Apple can make their offers for such land to unsuspecting land owners who are not privy to the same inside knowledge..."



A land owner has the right to sell to anyone they want and they don't need to call the public to let them know.

Anonymous said...

A land owner has the right to sell to anyone they want and they don't need to call the public to let them know.


Huh?

So, are you for or against public matters, concerning public monies, discussed and debated behind closed doors and only among the few, elite in this County?

Should the owners of the coveted land be kept in the dark until the the few and the privileged realtors/developers/bankers have a chance to "low-ball" these landowners on their property?

Is it better for the landowner or the realtor, et al, to make a windfall profit due to possible development?

Correct me if I am wrong, but, reading your nebulous post would lead one to believe you are for these "closed-door-back-office" type dealings...where public money has been invested.

Am I reading you right?

Rumor has it, that Fehrman and Red Apple were using such inside information to canvass possible sellers in the now failed NW Quadrant debacle. With no mention to the possible sellers of concerning the inside, what should have been PUBLIC, information.

Anonymous said...

Greed is the number one factor and motive behind the Movers and Shakers and their in-pocket political Bozos in their extreme persistance on keeping the public out of the informational loop concerning the public's business!

How is the public benefited by closed door, serial type meetings?

Such practices manifests corruption to the very core!

Anonymous said...

A person has every right to sell their land to anyone they want....HOWEVER, if it's going to be used for a difference purpose than it's currently zoned for would you not agree the public should have some input on the matter?

Ok, lets have your address and see what you think of a bar, a strip club, or a big vast industrial park right next to your property with a 4 lane road going through your back yard. Makes sense?

Should you notify your neighbors if you are planning something like this? The County wants you to, but their rules are different. 2 out of 3 Commishes will say otherwise!

Anonymous said...

2 out of 3 Commishes will say otherwise!

2 out of 3 Commishes have whored themselves out for far to long.

Election time is near.

It will be interesting to watch the "2 Commishes" backtrack as the election nears!

I wager that in the last days before the election, they both will be wearing: I'M WITH THOMPSON!!! T-Shirts.

Anonymous said...

A person has every right to sell their land to anyone they want....HOWEVER...


Unless, of course, a grandmother places a sign on her property in protest of a development...then, these so called Property Rightists crybaby all the way to the zoning office wimpering "ZONING VIOLATION!!! ZONING VIOLATION!!!

Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Well if a bar or strip club or industrial park made sense to be located on my property or next to me I would need find a way to work with the development. But development does not make sense where I live.

If I lived up on the I-74 corridor I would still believe that development belonged on my land. I also think if I would have been a bit smarter I would have bought some acreage up near the I-74 corridor to make some money. But of course you all think making money is a bad thing. Well I myself like being out of debt, live in a house I own and being able to offer my children a good life.

Anonymous said...

But of course you all think making money is a bad thing.

No. Making money is not bad.

Expecting the taxpayer/citizen to contribute their hard-earned dollars to help developers make more money...that is bad.

Bad, also, is expecting communities to change their zoning requirements to fit every whim some developer may entertain.

Sorry.

But there is plenty of space available for development already existing in this county. The fact that the speculators will have to shell out a bit more capital is not the taxpayer/citizens' concern.

It is just a cost of doing business.

Anonymous said...

"If I lived up on the I-74 corridor I would still believe that development belonged on my land."

And if your land was zoned for such development, then you would have the right to develop it.

But zoning, is a communal process. The community has to be involved in and agree with the zoning rules. The wishes of a few, self-proclaimed, self-ordained, Movers and Shakers, notwithstanding.

Anonymous said...

"but development does not make sense where I live".

Your comment is funny and made me literally laugh out loud. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHERE I LIVE EITHER! If you don't think it makes sense in "your back yard", why do you think it makes sense in my back yard?

How would you feel if it doesn't make sense where you live and you hear that there is a big ol' huge development planned and you heard from a friend of a friend? NOT from your County? This is AMERICA! Not a land of communism.

Anonymous said...

"...and you heard from a friend of a friend? NOT from your County?"

Save your breath!

These closed-door-back-office types will not address such a question!

They chose to cut the public from the public's business!

Because that is good for business for the DCEDI!!!