Thursday, June 14, 2007

What every HVL resident should know about the upcoming VRUC Election.

What every HVL resident should know about the upcoming VRUC Election.

A letter from Stan Beeler, VRUC board member at large

Summed up – every proposal made for the betterment of the community was DENIED by the Incumbent Members seeking reelection:

The following resolutions/ motions made this last year were DENIED by the incumbent board members (a 5-2 majority):
• Oath of Office; a requirement for an affirmation of dedication by newly elected members to the good of the organization, recognized as a solemn appeal to God to witness the truth of the oath – DENIED
• Code of Ethics; providing for a basis for the moral and ethical conduct of the affairs of the organization and enumerating the restraints on the conduct of the board members – DENIED
• Relocation of Board Meetings: resolution to relocate board meetings from the VRUC garage to the POA community center so as to promote greater membership participation - DENIED
• Special Meeting of VRUC Membership; a motion to call a special meeting of the membership to debate and resolve by consensus the most controversial issues (sewage treatment plant, water well field and treatment plant, contract for sewage and water services, and the election of a new board ) – DENIED
• VRUC Membership Affirmation of the New By-laws Changes; a resolution to allow membership participation in the affairs of the organization by a consensus process – DENIED
• Ad Hoc Committee to Propose By-laws Revisions; a proposal to create a committee of members not on the board to recommend changes – DENIED
• Membership Review of Board Actions; a resolution to allow the membership to confirm or deny board actions in the interim between membership business meetings – DENIED
• Vote of the VRUC Membership in re the Water Well Field Purchase; a motion to allow membership discussion, debate, and vote on the purchase of land in Ohio for a well field and treatment plant prior to final agreement to purchase – DENIED
• Requirement for a Vote of the Board of Directors at a meeting of the Board; per IC23-17-15-1, this resolution was intended to stop individual board members and employees from initiating legal action and other substantive actions without a vote of the board – DENIED
• Record, for the record, all meetings of the Board of Directors; a practice used by most organizations and required of governmental agencies – DENIED
• Adoption of the Indiana Open Door Law ; a resolution designed to surmount the very strong penchant for secrecy on the part of the old guard board members (since the law allows secrecy only in very limited circumstances).
• The Use of Robert’s Rules of Order for the Conduct of all Meetings; being a hopeful attempt to prohibit the chairman fro doing whatever he pleases.
• Annual Meeting Agenda; a formal request, in writing, in the form specified by the new by-laws that most of the issues indicated above and some others be placed on the agenda for the 26 JUN 07 annual meeting was DENIED by the incumbent majority.



The legal fees are killing us

Summed up – The actions and behavior of the past boards have been wasteful of VRUC resources

The failures of fiduciary responsibility are many:

• If the very old maxim is true that every time one talks to a lawyer, he admits of incompetence, then the amount of money spent on lawyers must be a fair measure of that incompetence. The VRUC has, by far, spent more money on legal fees ($413,000. in 2005, more than $700,000. in the last three years, and probably some multiple of millions since the incorporation) than on infrastructure repairs and maintenance in the last 12 years.
• The VRUC has spent large sums of corporate monies in its efforts to obtain the rights to provide sewer and water services to new developments outside HVL, despite that the City of Greendale would need to transport the sewage and provide the water supply, and despite that no HVL resident was to benefit from that scheme by a reduction in utility rates.
• The board spent approximately $70,000. in legal fees alone in their successful effort to defeat the ad hoc membership drive to elect a new board of directors and overturn the sewage treatment plant decision at a special membership meeting in 2006.
• The VRUC charges HVL customers the old robber baron sewer and water rates of the developer, who scammed them into buying a white elephant utility, but pats themselves on the back for not raising utility rates, those rates (both then and now) being among the highest in the state, if not in the country (VRUC pays the City of Greendale 57% of what they charge HVL users for water and 47% of what VRUC charges HVL residents for sanitary sewer services, yet the City of Greendale pays most of the expenses to provide those services ( e.g., VRUC uses 30% of the Greendale water production while paying 15% of Greendale’s total costs of production.))
• The VRUC paid an amount of money unknown to me, but no doubt an ungodly amount, for the feasibility studies and design for the sewage treatment plant on Alpine Drive ( in addition to the legal expenses) without first checking with the appropriate regulatory agencies. A single phone call to OKI would have revealed that the proposed project was in conflict with OKI’s 208 Water Quality Management Plan for Dearborn County.( OKI, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana Regional Council of Governments was designated by the governors of those states to develop the regional water quality program as required by Section 208 of the US Clean Water Act.). Money wasted on an impossible idea.
• And, the very same problems are arising with regard to the old guard efforts to construct a sewage treatment plant and water well field with treatment plant in Whitewater TWP. The VRUC wants to pay Whitewater TWP in Ohio to build the sewage treatment plant at an unknown cost (and has already committed $17,000. to a feasibility study) and be its primary customer, and then construct the water well field without first knowing what the regulatory agencies may do, or what other impediments there may be.
• The above issues are only the tip of the iceberg. Without the free flow of information to the membership, no one can say what interest might be generated in some of the other issues such as the original purchase of the utility.
• The VRUC and the City of Greendale may be very close to a long term contract for water and sewer services (at not unfavorable rates that are much lower than VRUC charges its members) thanks to the tireless efforts of Jack Arduin. Although Jack is hopeful, even trusting, that the old guard faction will not impede the negotiations, I am not so sanguine. One might ask why, in the middle of negotiations with the City of Greendale, the board would undertake costly negotiations with other entities for those services, which schemes are likely in conflict with the requirements of regulatory agencies from the start.

It seems to be all about power

Summed up – the reactionary board members have done, and continue to do all that they are able to remain in power.

The new VRUC by-laws adopted by the incumbent majority on the board require that they will remain in office, REGARDLESS OF THE VOTE, unless a quorum of 30% of the membership casts ballots. That number is presumably 830 ballots, while the highest number of ballots cast in any past VRUC election is probably fewer than 400. The by-laws revision was devised by the incumbent majority of the board to keep them selves in power, and so they shall remain in power unless the reform group is able to get out the vote.

The old guard members of the board (three of whom are the incumbents up for reelection) have publicly stated at board meetings that their belief is firm that they were elected to act and think for the VRUC membership and that ipso facto the membership has no rights to information possessed by the board, has no rights of review of board actions, may not have any effective voice in the affairs of the corporation, and may not vote on any issue other than the election of board members.

The newsletter published by the ad hoc committee established to oppose the sewage treatment plant on Alpine Drive and to call for a special meeting of the membership to oust the board of directors last year does a good job of presenting the issues regarding the upcoming election to HVL residents. I would like with this letter, only to add to those comments my own thoughts regarding the issues raised.

My view, from the perspective of a reform candidate on the board for a year, is that the policies and actions of this and past boards reveal a consistent pattern of 1) arrogance, 2) a strong sense of mission with regard to their own agenda without even caring what might be the will of the membership, 3) an overwhelming desire for secrecy with regard to the management and operations of the utility, 4) a disregard of the constitutionally protected individual and property rights of the members of the corporation, 5) acceptance of the concept that the end justifies the means, and 6) a complete failure of fiduciary responsibility to the membership.

I cannot be entirely certain of the past and present motives for the actions of old guard members of the board. There seems good reason to believe some of the personal gain theories with regard to the provision of VRUC services to new developments outside HVL, although that is not now shown to be the case. Nevertheless, the old guard board members have persistently argued that there is nothing improper, nor immoral, nor illegal about the provision of services for profit by a nonprofit, mutual benefit corporation to persons and entities who are not members. There are other possible explanations for their behavior, but I believe that at least major factors are that people in power want to stay in power and that some otherwise socially disciplined people desire to control the lives of others.

My proposed by-laws revisions recognized those problems, inherent in any organization without checks on the behavior of those in power, by attempting to address the issue by the direct election of officers annually, with each officer permitted to succeed himself only once in a given position, thus requiring one to move up through the chairs to president (for a maximum two years) and then
Be out or recycle to a member at large position.

When I was elected to the board last year, I believed that those who voted for me did so because I indicated that I would do everything in my power to revise the by-laws to allow for greater participation, oversight, and control by the membership of the affairs of the organization. So far, I have failed.

By-laws Revisions

Summed up – The VRUC by- laws have always been a disaster for the membership, but now they are much more devastating.

I offered very soon after the election last year a set of by-laws revisions with:
a) A new section providing the purposes of the organization ( including, to seek efficiencies and improvements so as to provide services at the lowest possible rates).
b) A new section providing the methods of achieving those purposes ( including, the promotion of the maximum possible participation of the membership in the affairs of the organization).
c) Sections to allow the membership to vote to amend the articles of incorporation and by-laws (now being the sole prerogative of the board).
d) Provisions to require at least four membership business meetings each year ( versus the single meeting now held with no membership participation in the business ( and now, without even an election)), the use of Robert’s Rules of Order in the conduct of all meetings, to limit the use of so called “special board meetings” and executive sessions which prohibit member attendance ( you may be surprised to know that the board conducted more special meetings and executive sessions than regularly scheduled meetings this last year).
e) Provisions for the direct election of officers for one year terms ( Jerry Hacker has been the president of the VRUC since its inception).
f) Provisions allowing membership oversight and ratification of board actions.

The board did nothing with my proposal until the secretary of the board, Dana Hensley offered a counter proposal including by-laws changes which would:
a) Increase from 10% to 20% the number of members required to sign a petition asking for a special meeting of the membership.
b) Rule out proxy voting.
c) Allow the secretary of the board of directors to cast election ballots on behalf of all members who did not cast their own (making all elections meaningless, and making the 30% quorum irrelevant, since an opposition candidate would need to garner more than 50% of the total possible vote to win an election.
d) Allow for the cancellation of the election of an unopposed member of the board.
e) Allow the majority of the board to remove any member of the board without cause.

Finally, on 26 October, at a “special meeting” without member scrutiny, the majority voted against my proposal and for Mr. Hensley’s. Those provisions were modified somewhat by the VRUC attorney, but the new by-laws are no less efficacious in the achievement of the aims of the incumbent board members, those being the absolute and total control of the VRUC by the current majority faction of the board, the denial of any rights whatever to the membership, the near impossibility of the membership to discharge incumbent board members, the total suppression of information, discussion, debate, and oversight by the membership, the ability of the majority board faction to remove board members not in agreement with the majority, and the transmogrification of
the annual meeting into something unrecognizable in a democratic society, a meaningless exercise in nihilism and futility, where no votes are allowed, no agenda items permitted to be raised by the membership, and where no actions by the membership may occur.

AN EXHORTATION TO HVL RESIDENTS TO VOTE IN THE VRUC ELECTION

I do not know how many HVL residents, who are the voting members of the VRUC, approve of the management, the voting record, the attitude with regard to lawsuits, the plans for a sewage treatment plant on Alpine Drive or for a water well field on chemically farmed land in a flood plain in another state, or of the Draconian circumscription of member rights by the incumbent members of the VRUC board of directors; but, those who favor what the VRUC board has been doing for the past several years should vote for the incumbents on this year’s ballot.

If the number of HVL residents who support the incumbents up for reelection ( which is to say the activities of the past boards, since they are the past boards ) is significant, then it would be better for the organization and for HVL that we all know of that sentiment by the number of votes cast in their favor than for them to remain in office by default.

Those who wish to vote but have misplaced their ballots will not be able to vote at the annual meeting due to the by-laws changes. You will probably need to go to the VRUC office for a new ballot because the ballots this year are printed on a paper not reproducible.

There seems no doubt that various ways to throw out ballots will be found during the counting process. It may be advisable to be very careful about filling out the ballot and envelope. In this regard, I notice that they ask for a single lot number on the envelope which has an account number for each lot without identifying the lot number by account number. Some with multiple lots may write in all of their lot numbers or indicate a lot number not corresponding to the account number on the envelope. That may be problematic depending on how honest the election is.

Again, I ask that everyone vote the election ballots so that we all may know what are the wishes of the membership with regard to the direction the board.

I urge you to vote for Robert Ziegler, Robert Hamilton, and Robert Yaggi, but, in any event, please vote so that a true consensus of the HVL residents may be obtained.


Stan Beeler
Board Member at Large

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Anonymous said...

Even if the old GUARDIANS win you RASTP won’t accept the will of the majority.

Anonymous said...

Even if the RASTP win you Old Guards won’t accept the will of the majority.

Anonymous said...

See! you are whining already.
The old GUARDIANS will accept the majority.

Anonymous said...

"The old GUARDIANS will accept the majority.

How about the will of the majority without your dishonest 30% quorum requirements?

Cheap talkers!!!

Anonymous said...

Child! Why do you keep talking about a "dishonest 30% quorum requirement"

Most corporations require a quorum of 60% or greater.

This is a honest requirement or the RASTP would have taken this to court.

Anonymous said...

Child! Why do you keep talking about a "dishonest 30% quorum requirement"

Shill! What was quorum requirement before the "Old Order" took office?

Before the "Old Order's" favorite shyster, sunk his fangs into the membership's money?

Scoundrels! All of you!

Anonymous said...

"Shill! What was quorum requirement before the "Old Order" took office?"

That is a question I would like to see the answer to.

Were there quorum requirements before this current board in question?

And, if so, what were the percentages?

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"pull off" denote illegitimate."

As does the current VRUC Board!

Anonymous said...

Obviously you non-valley residents don’t know the history of VRUC.
Rupel was charging the highest or second highest rates in the state.
The system was in disrepair.
The state had levied a $1,200,000 fine against Rupel
Then, the valley residents wrestled control from Rupel.
Paid for the assets and absorb liabilities including the $1,200,000 fine.
Elected Hacker and the old GUARDIANS.
Never objected to the running of VRUC until RASTP started a campaign of lies and misinformation about the proposed sewer plant.
The old GUARDIANS negotiated the fine levied against Rupel to $40,000.
And the list of accomplishments goes on.
We all owe a debt of gratitude to Hacker and the old GUARDIANS.

You can continue repeating your lies but we can tell from your postings on this thread as well as the others on this blog that you just like to repeat the same charges over and over about anyone in authority.

Anonymous said...

So who won the VRC election?

Anonymous said...

Never objected to the running of VRUC until RASTP started a campaign of lies and misinformation about the proposed sewer plant.
The old GUARDIANS negotiated the fine levied against Rupel to $40,000.
"And the list of accomplishments goes on.
We all owe a debt of gratitude to Hacker and the old GUARDIANS.

You can continue repeating your lies but we can tell from your postings on this thread as well as the others on this blog that you just like to repeat the same charges over and over about anyone in authority."

Your are the one that needs to get the facts straight.This VRUC board has done nothing in the way of fixing sewage lines.

Anonymous said...

"Your are the one that needs to get the facts straight.This VRUC board has done nothing in the way of fixing sewage lines."

Very true

What about the debt reduction ?
VRUC still owes $2 million. The debt was just shifted from bonds to a UCB bank loan. Maybe some savings in interest but after loan fees, those saving were probably gone.

What about the new agreed order?
After 12 years of not compliance with the old agreed order, the old board has a new agreed order looking them in the face and It'll be more restrictive than the first agreed order. The old order needs to thank the lawyers for keeping the fine at just $40,000 and keeping the remaining million for their services.

What we owe Hacker and the "old appointed guard" is the DOOR!

Anonymous said...

That is a question I would like to see the answer to.

Were there quorum requirements before this current board in question?

And, if so, what were the percentages?

Thank you.


This question remains unanswered.

Why is this question being ignored?

Is the information available?

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"The old order needs to thank the lawyers for keeping the fine at just $40,000 and keeping the remaining million for their services."

What what was the real savings to the members' pocket-books, after attorneys' fees?

Money spent either on fines or attorneys' fees, is still money not spent repairing Hidden Valley's sewer infrastructure!

Anonymous said...

"This VRUC board has done nothing in the way of fixing sewage lines."

What is the total dollar amount designated and spent on actual repairs to Hidden Valley's sewer system?

Anonymous said...

"...the same charges over and over about anyone in authority."

From what I have read on this blog, the antagonism is not directed toward persons in positions of authority.

The resentment seems to be directed toward persons who appear to “abuse” their positions of authority, for reasons of financial self-interest!

Anonymous said...

Anon. asked.
"Were there quorum requirements before this current board in question?"

The quorum requirements has always been 30%. You can verify this by reading the first bylaws.

I assume the reason for this requirement was Rupel still owned property around HVL and this prevented him from controlling the board.

I have googled many Indiana 'not for profit corporations' and found quorum requirements as low as 10% and as high as 50%.

BTW, I'm sure the bylaws were written by a lawyer and and Hacker may have been elected to the board by then. So you will see the drivel from another anon. about lawyers and Hacker.

Also, I sign my post as TJAW, except when I think of food. Thats the only reason I can think of for signing the last one tjam. So If I post replies on other threads you will recognize my handle. I am a resident of HVL. I am not a member of the VRUC board or an employee of VRUC. I am not a lawyer or a member of RASTP.

Anonymous said...

Using blog names is a big plus. Discussion flows better.
JB

Anonymous said...

"The quorum requirements has always been 30%. You can verify this by reading the first bylaws."

Whether or not the quorum requirements were in the by-laws, the more pertinent and germane question remains:

WERE THESE QUORUM REQUIREMENTS UTILIZED IN THE PAST TO DETERMINE ELECTION VIABILITY?

FURTHER, DID OTHER BOARDS "GAME" THE SYSTEM IN THEIR FAVOR, BY CHANGING THE “RULES” TO MAKE IT INCREASINGLY MORE DIFFICULT TO REMOVE THEM FROM POWER?

HVfisher

Anonymous said...

(c) Allow the secretary of the board of directors to cast election ballots on behalf of all members who did not cast their own(making all elections meaningless, and making the 30% quorum irrelevant, since an opposition candidate would need to garner more than 50% of the total possible vote to win an election.

Is this true?

If so, Lordy!!!

Anonymous said...

Is this true?

If so, Lordy!!!



So the Board gets the benefit of their quorum requirement...

...then the benefit of all the votes garnered in their favor...

...and finally, they get, what can be best labeled the "APATHETIC" vote!

WOW!!!

A nice system if you can "GAME" it in your favor...

...which this board seemly has done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HVfisher

Anonymous said...

"...which this board seemly has done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Is that the truth??????
The old order has used this tactic?
How do You Know?

Anonymous said...

So this Board actually prays for a low voter turn out!

What a way to run an operation!

How does Hacker sleep at night?

Did L. Parvin Price already scribe a codicil in Hacker's Last Will and Testament, leaving Hackers chairmanship to his kids?

Anonymous said...

"Is that the truth??????
The old order has used this tactic?
How do You Know?"


Well, apparently the "Old Guard" voted for this by-law:



The board did nothing with my proposal until the secretary of the board, Dana Hensley offered a counter proposal including by-laws changes which would:
a) Increase from 10% to 20% the number of members required to sign a petition asking for a special meeting of the membership.
b) Rule out proxy voting.
c) Allow the secretary of the board of directors to cast election ballots on behalf of all members who did not cast their own (making all elections meaningless, and making the 30% quorum irrelevant, since an opposition candidate would need to garner more than 50% of the total possible vote to win an election.
d) Allow for the cancellation of the election of an unopposed member of the board.
e) Allow the majority of the board to remove any member of the board without cause.

Finally, on 26 October, at a “special meeting” without member scrutiny, the majority voted against my proposal and for Mr. Hensley’s.



And this Board does not seem shy, nor shameful, when "GAMING" the system in their favor!

Anonymous said...

e) Allow the majority of the board to remove any member of the board without cause.


Looks like Stan Beeler's position may be in jeapardy.

Sammy, is already writing her name on masking tape over Stan's name plate!

Anonymous said...

"Well, apparently the "Old Guard" voted for this by-law:"

Apparently ???? or
It's IN the bylaws?

Do you have a copy of the,last, most recent set of bylaws that proves this?

Anonymous said...

With all the rules in place, in the favor of the incumbents holding on to power...

...it will be beyond humilating for them if they lose...

...and leaving them with an empty and extremely corrupt to the core feeling, if the eck out a victory under their own self-serving rules!

Now, I understand what Hacker means when he says he will be beholdedn to whatever the majority decides!

Under his rules, he is the majority!!!!

Anonymous said...

Do you have a copy of the,last, most recent set of bylaws that proves this?

Well, if you have a copy, please make it available.

Until, now, I have not seen one comment from someone on the VRUC Board refuting such!

In fact, if anything, VRUC responders have just responded that they can pretty much do anything under the by-laws, that they so please. "CHILD. (as one VRUC posted earlier)"

Are you saying such by-laws do not exist?

Anonymous said...

"Are you saying such by-laws do not exist? "

I don't know!

Contact the VRUC office.
They should have this document immediately available for all stockholders.

Anonymous said...

"WERE THESE QUORUM REQUIREMENTS UTILIZED IN THE PAST TO DETERMINE ELECTION VIABILITY?"

Were they???

Anonymous said...

"I don't know!"

Would you be surprised if these by-laws were left, pretty much intact, by the Board's attorney?

And, just they very fact that the Board voted for such...

...is not, that kind of, creepy?

Anonymous said...

"What what was the real savings to the members' pocket-books, after attorneys' fees?

Money spent either on fines or attorneys' fees, is still money not spent repairing Hidden Valley's sewer infrastructure!"


ANYONE?

ANYONE?

ANYONE? HAVE AN ANSWER?

Anonymous said...

Is there any sense how the VRUC Board vote went?

What time tonight will the vote be made public?

Anonymous said...

"WERE THESE QUORUM REQUIREMENTS UTILIZED IN THE PAST TO DETERMINE ELECTION VIABILITY?

FURTHER, DID OTHER BOARDS "GAME" THE SYSTEM IN THEIR FAVOR, BY CHANGING THE “RULES” TO MAKE IT INCREASINGLY MORE DIFFICULT TO REMOVE THEM FROM POWER?


Last year was the first time that opposition candidates were presented by RASTP, and NO the VRUC did not follow the bylaws on the quorum which allowed two of the RASTP candidate to be elected. One of the RASTP candidates who was elected insisted that VRUC follow the bylaws until the last month he said the board should ignore the bylaws. It’s the old case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
The answer question two above. Not in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

"(c) Allow the secretary of the board of directors to cast election ballots on behalf of all members who did not cast their own(making all elections meaningless, and making the 30% quorum irrelevant, since an opposition candidate would need to garner more than 50% of the total possible vote to win an election."

NOT TRUE. I challenge you to quote the section and line number in the bylaws where you think you read this.

Anonymous said...

See embedded comments.
The board did nothing with my proposal until the secretary of the board, Dana Hensley offered a counter proposal including by-laws changes which would:
a) Increase from 10% to 20% the number of members required to sign a petition asking for a special meeting of the membership. The bylaws read 10%.Section 3.02
b) Rule out proxy voting. The board may specifically adopt the use for proxy voting “as to a particular meeting or matter,” otherwise no. Section 3.06(c).
c) Allow the secretary of the board of directors to cast election ballots on behalf of all members who did not cast their own (making all elections meaningless, and making the 30% quorum irrelevant, since an opposition candidate would need to garner more than 50% of the total possible vote to win an election. Totally false. Give me a bylaw Article and section number where you think you read this.
d) Allow for the cancellation of the election of an unopposed member of the board. True. If there is no opposition as for the past 12 years, why spend the money to have an election.
e) Allow the majority of the board to remove any member of the board without cause. FALSE. Section 4.03(a) “Any Director of the Corporation may be removed with or without cause by a majority vote of the Members…” not the BOD. Section 4.03(b) “Any Director of the Corporation may also be removed for cause by a majority vote of the remaining Directors of the Corporation.” Causes include conviction of a felony, fraud or dishonest conduct, etc.

Anonymous said...

Finally, on 26 October, at a “special meeting” without member scrutiny, the majority voted against my proposal and for Mr. Hensley’s.

Are you a board member?

Anonymous said...

Any word as to the vote results?

Anonymous said...

Ziegler....495
Sypniewski...486
Armbrecht...483
Hamilton...474
Hacker...460
Yaggi...429

Yaggi was the only candidate that did not show up for the meeting.
Jack Arduin was the only board member that did not attend the meeting. Arduin was elected President in a closed meeting by the new board.

The princess made a grand entrance fanning herself just before reading the election results and then made an even more grand exit with nose held high and fanning herself after the meeting ended. It was quite comical and enjoyed by all.

Anonymous said...

There are so good smart upstanding citizens backing RASTP why would they be so upset if nothing underhanded is going on with the Old Guard ?

Anonymous said...

Forgive me, what is the new, actual make-up of the board, and whose the "Princess?"

Is Hacker out?

Is the Board pro or anti hooking up with Greendale?

Anonymous said...

Ziegler....495
Sypniewski...486
Armbrecht...483
Hamilton...474
Hacker...460
Yaggi...429

Anonymous said...

" ibs said...

There are so good smart upstanding citizens backing RASTP why would they be so upset if nothing underhanded is going on with the Old Guard ?"


Because as on this thread, RASTP lie, recite fictional costs and slander good people Ad nauseam. And after awhile the uninformed start to believe it. Some just hold a grudge because VRUC did not forgive a debt. e.g. the Stan Beeler who started this thread as stated in public and published in the VRUC minutes.

Anonymous said...

"Forgive me, what is the new, actual make-up of the board, and whose the "Princess?"

Is Hacker out?

Is the Board pro or anti hooking up with Greendale?"


The princess is Maria Larosa who heads RASTP and barks commands to her board members during VRUC meetings.
The top three were elected so Hacker is out.
The board has always been for a FAIR contract with Greendale.

Anonymous said...

"The board has always been for a FAIR contract with Greendale."

"FAIR" contract?

Even the DCRSC stated Greendale was beyond fair.

Is "FAIR" servicing Hidden Valley, but, only if, also, servicing and facilitating, massive development, surrounding Hidden Valley?

Anonymous said...

Let us get to the "jist" of this election!

How will this vote affect the "billable" hours of L. Parvin Price?

Anonymous said...

Because as on this thread, RASTP lie, recite fictional costs and slander good people Ad nauseam.

See what I mean

Anonymous said...

So, will the VRUC, now, begin to look for the best deal for Hidden Valley, or, will we be lost in another decade of looking for ways of servicing the local realty industry?

Anonymous said...

"The princess is Maria Larosa who heads RASTP and barks commands to her board members during VRUC meetings."

Maria an Tommy are nice people . Not saying if they are right or wrong, but you can't fault them for standing up for something they believe in we need more people that are willing to take a stand on things.

Anonymous said...

"Maria an Tommy are nice people . Not saying if they are right or wrong, but you can't fault them for standing up for something they believe in we need more people that are willing to take a stand on things."

Have no fear. You haven't heard the last from Maria. She next plans to submit a petition (which requires only 50 signatures out of nearly 3000 property owners) to the county to incorporate HVL as a town. The vast majority of property owners voted this down in 2002. But the "nice people" know what is good for us. We are all just too dumb to realize it.

Anonymous said...

I say a pox on the VRUC and any other entities who want use the memberships dollars for their own financial ends and others for their own egos.

Both sides, work for the best for Hidden Valley, today, inside the box, and within the bounds the membership supports.

Anonymous said...

But the "nice people" know what is good for us. We are all just too dumb to realize it.

I guess we were also too dumb to see, that the "nice people" at the VRUC thinking "out-side the box," was great news for us, even though our "inside the box infrasture was/is in shambles?

Anonymous said...

Would "both" sides cease with the bickering!

Hidden Valley, only needs, at the given moment, what is best for Hidden Valley, not a hand-full of realtor/developer pukes or HOA or POA's who are usually made up of, grade school, repressed,"hall-monitors!"

Anonymous said...

Would "both" sides cease with the bickering!

AMEN

Anonymous said...

"Would "both" sides cease with the bickering!"


FINALLY, someone who speaks for the Masses!

Quit "screwing" around with "hard on their luck" realtors, greedy Indy lawyers and pissant "Block-Watchers," where everyone thinks he or she is a "General!"

Anonymous said...

You will be happy to know that Maria finally took down her RASTP sigh this evening. Only five days late as per Dearborn County, Greendale and HVL regulations.

Anonymous said...

Grow up an get over it.

Anonymous said...

You will be happy to know that Maria finally took down her RASTP sigh this evening. Only five days late as per Dearborn County, Greendale and HVL regulations.

10:14 PM


Anonymous said...
Grow up an get over it.

10:17 PM

Anonymous said...

You will be happy to know that Maria finally took down her RASTP sigh this evening. Only five days late as per Dearborn County, Greendale and HVL regulations.

10:14 PM


Anonymous said...
Grow up an get over it.



Kids!

Get over it!

Both of you, fix Hidden Valley!

Avoid realtors, developers and local busy bodies!

Focus!

Anonymous said...

Thank you HVL residents for caring about your community and its untilities. The comment about the signs were Un-American. We should have signs posted until the day electing results are posted. The ballots were collected no later than the 22th of June. They were not counted until the 25th of June. There were three days that members could vote, befored they were counted. There were alot of people that were on vacation that missed out on the opportunity to vote in the VRUC election, what a shame. All signs were collected two days after the anouncement of the election on the 26th of June. Signs of realators should be prohibited in a priviate community like HVL. The realators should only have contacts only at there offices. This would keep our community looking junking 365 days a year. Getting back to the election now we have a board president who is for the members of VRUC. We have hopes of haveing a secure 30 year contract with Greendale for sewage and water and our fear of a sewage treatment plant will be over and our property values will remain in good standings. Thank you Jack Adruin and Stan Beeler for caring about the VRUC members instead of themselfs. They have mended fences with our neighboring communities which was long over due. Now the building of bridges hopeing will come up shorty. Thank you,
Maria LaRosa

Anonymous said...

My comments are bold.

Oh Maria! Why do you continue to insist on making false and misleading statements?
Thank you HVL residents for caring about your community and its untilities. The comment about the signs were Un-American. Free speech is not Un-American. We should have signs posted until the day electing results are posted. Then we should leave the presidential campaign signs up until 41 days after the November election until the ‘Electoral College’ casts their votes. The ballots were collected no later than the 22th of June. They were not counted until the 25th of June. There were three days that members could vote, befored they were counted. FALSE. The polls closed at 4:00 PM on Friday June 22. No ballots were accepted after that time.There were alot of people that were on vacation that missed out on the opportunity to vote in the VRUC election, what a shame. We all know the VRUC election is in June. If you are going to be out of town, ask for the ballot to be mailed to where you are staying,. All signs were collected two days after the anouncement of the election on the 26th of June. FALSE. I personally witnessed Maria and friends taking down the bill board on June 27, five days after the polls closed. Signs of realators should be prohibited in a priviate community like HVL. The realators should only have contacts only at there offices. This would keep our community looking junking 365 days a year. Submit your suggestion to POA board. Getting back to the election now we have a board president who is for the members of VRUC. As was the last one.We have hopes of haveing a secure 30 year contract with Greendale for sewage and water and our fear of a sewage treatment plant will be over and our property values will remain in good standings. Greendale has stated before that they can not meet our water requirements. Where is this new water source? Thank you Jack Adruin and Stan Beeler for caring about the VRUC members instead of themselfs. This may be true of Jack but I have my doubts about Stan who is a resident of Forest Park and calls fellow board members who are HVL residents evil. They have mended fences with our neighboring communities which was long over due. Now the building of bridges hopeing will come up shorty. Thank you,
Maria LaRosa

Anonymous said...

"Greendale has stated before that they can not meet our water requirements. Where is this new water source?"

With all the money the "Old Guard" has paid L. Parvin Price, we could have supplied all the HVL residents with "Perrier Water," for all uses, for life!

Anonymous said...

"With all the money the "Old Guard" has paid L. Parvin Price, we could have supplied all the HVL residents with "Perrier Water," for all uses, for life!"

Typical false and misleading statement from RASTP

Anonymous said...

Looks like the "Old Guard" needs to just step back and see what transpires in the next few months.

Maybe, the "New Guard" will, indeed, focus on the residents of HVL and not on outside, realtor and developer interests.

Anonymous said...

I'll step back and shut up if you will do the same.

Anonymous said...

You got it!!!

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