Wednesday, June 06, 2007

ATTENTION!!! – From the HVL members against the Sewage Treatment Plant

VRUC Members (Lot Owners) – VOTE your BALLOT(S)

* Ballots must be submitted to the VRUC office by deadline - FRIDAY, JUNE 22, 2007.

* For the first time in VRUC history:

1. You WILL NOT be able to vote at the annual meeting - Tuesday, June 26, 2007

2. A QUORUM (30% of eligible lot votes – approximately 1100 votes) is needed for any NEW candidate to be elected to the VRUC Board of Directors.

3. IF the quorum (1100 votes) is not obtained, the incumbent candidates can remain on the board even if they get the lowest number of votes cast.

VOTE for HAMILTON******** YAGGI***********ZIEGLER

If elected, we will accomplish the following:

• Sign fair 30-year sewage and water contract with Greendale.
• Repair our utility infrastructure.
• Have monthly checks on the lake for contamination.
• Oversee rotating monthly checks on the over 300 manholes.
• Stop Exorbitant Attorney Fees.
• Stop entering projects “outside the box” of Hidden Valley Lake.
• Big issues will be presented for members vote before projects are initiated.
• Change the By-Laws to lower the quorum voting percentage.
• Post the VRUC monthly meeting minutes on time in the Echoes.
• Have monthly meetings at the new POA community building.
• Receive a profit from the gas utility like we do from the sewer and water.
• Be more informed about water and sewage issues in our surrounding area.

Will the VRUC Board let the candidates with the most votes win their seats on the board and will they tell us the number of votes per candidate as they did last year? If the quorum is not met, will the present VRUC Board respect the vote of the members as in previous elections?

Stan Beeler, elected last year, is fighting for our rights. He tried to have an item added to the ballot to get our opinion on our right to vote on significant projects and issues. It was denied by the majority vote of the VRUC Board. The By-Laws were again changed to their favor. If the VRUC is going to require a quorum, why not make it a more realistic number?

In the HVL May Echoes a flyer written for the VRUC incumbent members, who are trying desperately to remain in position and power, said Jerry Hacker, Danny Armbrecht, and Bob Sypniewski think “outside the box”. The members of HVL/VRUC, are the “box”! They have been spending our money to support “outside the box”projects .

In 1994, the VRUC members and Board took on a neglected system from James Rupel and our money was to be used to fix the infrastructure problems, not to take on outside entities whose volume of sewage would increase our problems. Our community has grown over the years and so have our problems. The #1 priority, to fix the infrastructure was ignored! Sewer infrastructure has been failing due to neglect. In the 12 years of the current leadership, our problems should have been brought under control. This has not happened. It is appalling to compare the small amount of money spent on infrastructure repair versus that for attorney fees.

This spring, after 10 years under an ‘agreed order’ (an alternative to a monetary fine) from IDEM to repair various situations, the Indiana Attorney General fined VRUC $40,000 for repairs not accomplished. This ‘agreed order’ had to be finalized because VRUC will soon be under another ‘agreed order’ for violations.

Fair contracts with Greendale for sewer and water to benefit all the members have been negligently allowed to expire. VRUC refused to renew that contract jeopardizing our welfare. Obviously, members were not considered the #1 priority. There has been no sewer contract with Greendale from 2002, until the state forced VRUC to sign a 4-year contract.

Our sewer and water fees are among the highest in the state of Indiana. VRUC Board bills us more than double the amount charged by Greendale. Greendale, at least, uses their fees for processing our sewage, maintaining and updating pipes and equipment for both sewage and water.

A sewage treatment plant is planned by the VRUC Board to service areas “outside the box” (outside the boundaries of Hidden Valley Lake). We were not informed nor consulted of their multi-million dollar plans, even though they are already spending hundreds of thousands of our dollars on costly feasibility studies, engineering designs and attorney fees. One VRUC Board member remarked to an HVL resident: “There will be a sewage treatment plant and nobody can stop it.”

The members 1500 votes on simple ballots did make a difference! Our proxy votes, scorned by the VRUC Board, were taken seriously and respected by many others.

OKI (Ohio-Kentucky-Indiana Regional Council of Governments) disallowed the NPDES permit submitted by IDEM, that VRUC needed for discharge from a sewage treatment plant into waterways such as Double Lick Creek, Great Miami River, Ohio River, etc. Although the denial of the NPDES permit was decided under Section 208(b), Clean Water Act developed in 1977, OKI was impressed by the members’ concerns and very receptive to a copy of our proxy votes.

IDEM, IRUC, IOUCC and others at the state level are very aware of our desires as expressed by our proxy votes.

Greendale respects our group effort and has been working closely with Jack Arduin, and Stan Beeler to attempt to finally get a fair 30-year contract for sewage and water service. The men who think “outside the box” are still spending money trying to arrange alternative service (such as an initial $18,000 study for a joint-venture in Ohio which, according to an OKI staffer has big obstacles). Obstacles mean money in the attorney’s already gold-lined pockets, thanks to VRUC thinking “outside the box.”

Dearborn County Plan Commission refused the Red Pine development presented by Andy Timmel and Realtor, Sammy Gutzweiler, due to inadequate sewage service promised by VRUC in documents signed by Floyd Ogden, for which Chairman Mark Mitter at the January 23, 2006 meeting, threatened to notify the Indiana Attorney General concerning the perjury.

Dearborn County Regional Sewer District (DCRSD), made aware of our 1500 proxy votes, were skeptical of VRUC. They became truly concerned when L. Parvin Price included the phrase, “most favored nation status” in the Agreement of Understanding (November 4, 2005 DCRSD regular meeting) between VRUC and the DCRSD. Since then, DCRSD has dismissed their original attorney and VRUC dropped it's quest to join DCRSD.

The Group Against the Sewage Treatment Plant spent a total of about $5000 to accomplish their mission, while VRUC has spent approximately $80,000 just for the meeting, held in January of 2006 at Agner Hall at the Dearborn County Fairgrounds, concerning the true election of officers, where they would not honor the VRUC members’ 1500 proxy votes. At that meeting, a VRUC member asked L. Parvin Price (VRUC’s Indianapolis attorney) how much money he was still owed by the VRUC and he refused to answer.

Money is truly an issue for the HVL/VRUC members. We have been paying our fees and monthly bills for years. In just the past few years, approximately $500,000 was paid to the Indianapolis law firm represented by L. Parvin Price. Currently, approximately $200,000 of is still owed the firm and is being paid at $20,000 per month. How many more months $20,000 will be paid depends on how much more VRUC thinks “outside the box”. Ask the HVL POA how much money of your money has been paid to attorneys for our new POA building, to develop our wonderful sports fields, or to improve our beach, pave our roads, etc. The POA has much to show for the use of our money without attorney fees. Mr. Price has been the VRUC attorney since it's beginning in 1994. Does the so-called experienced and knowledgeable VRUC Board really run the company with an attorney receiving this much of the members’ money? Mr. Price is definitely “outside the box” and VRUC needs to explain to the members.

Comments by members who regularly attend the meetings (POA and VRUC) that the people who don’t vote, don’t care, are not true. 1500 proxy votes were gathered a 6-month period of time! In our fast paced world, people generally don’t have time for politics. We chose a beautiful, private place like HVL presuming that the large amount of money we pay to live here, will have everything in good repair and done responsibly. We are hoping to make this an honest election. The winners should be determined just like they were in the past, since a 30% quorum was never achieved at any annual meeting. The By-Law should have been changed by lowering the quorum provide the members a legal election.


Place your ballot “inside the box” and hopefully each and every vote submitted will be counted. Be sure to enter a ballot for each of your eligible lots. Remember that for your vote to count, a quorum of approximately 1100 votes is needed! VOTE before the Friday, June 22, 2007 Deadline Date at the end of business hours.

Remember you cannot vote at the annual meeting on June 26, 2007!

submitted by Maria Larosa with HVL Members Against the Sewage Treatment Plant
Hidden Valley Lake, Miller Township

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

Let me guess.

This is just another costly boondoggle where either realtors, or developers, or both, are involved in transfering money from hard-working, tax and rate paying citizens to fund pet projects of the very same realtor/developers?

Anonymous said...

Let me guess further.

If we just let this outside "development" advance further, all of Hidden Valley's problems will simply just disappear...do to the magic of more development?

Always the same tune, different melody, being whistled by the realtor/developers!

Maybe more outside development will pay for a Hidden Valley Jail to house some of these realtors/developers?

Anonymous said...

Were Sammy Gutzweiler and Vera Benning somehow separated at birth?

They both seem to share the same gene disposition that leaves them loathing the Democratic Process for all except their "business" buddies!

Anonymous said...

How do you get boards to approve by-laws that could let a board member continue with even 1 vote if less than 1100 are gotten by the opponent? Potentially it could be 1099 to 1 and the incumbent stays?

Anonymous said...

Sammy Gutzweiler and Vera were separated at birth but will get back together soon.

Two very smart gals.

Anonymous said...

Sammy Gutzweiler and Vera were separated at birth but will get back together soon.


I see them together again in the same cell in the not too distant future!

Anonymous said...

"Two very smart gals."


Oh, the bigotry of low expectations!!!

Now, these two dim-bulbs will continue to go through life as if they may have a clue!!!

Costing tax-payers millions!!!

Anonymous said...

Some folks in public office try their very best to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

Contrast this with members of the VRUC whose main goal seems to be to reach levels of extreme impropriety, heretofore unheard of or even contemplated, by ethical, rational people!

Anonymous said...

Potentially it could be 1099 to 1 and the incumbent stays?


The evening of the 1101 to 1 loss for the incumbent...

...Linkmeyer's phone rings off the hook with tearful encouragements to run in Sammy's stead!

Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight.

The rallying cry for these sewer enthusiasts was that infrastructure is failing all over the County and sewer plants are desperately needed to save the County from effluence laden pollutants.

With the VRUC, we have an another example where supposive existing sewer problems are being currently ignored to build plants that will service even more homes, over taxing the very same proposed plants with the proposed development.

The Realtor/Developer Complex is not even pretending anymore that their “pretend” goal is to safeguard the public from the evils of effluence!

Go figure!!!

Anonymous said...

The rallying cry for these sewer enthusiasts...

Face it.

Fixing the sewer problems at Hidden Vally does not add much to the bottomlines of the ethically conflicted realtors or developers.

Therefore, well...you know the rest!

sammyg said...

Hello,

I am Sammy Gutzwiller and to all of those "anonymous" messages they are not worth the paper they are written on. Everything I have said can be verified. Can the naysayers say the same thing. Stand up and have the confidence to supply your name. I am available anytime to discuss.

Anonymous said...

Everything I have said can be verified.

Do you verify that you voted for a system that mandates a quorum of 1100 to even begin to unseat you?

What have you personally done to alleviate the sewer problems of Hidden Valley?

As far as providing you my name...

Why?

You are not even willing to provide me a vote!

Talk is cheap!

You are cheaper!

Anonymous said...

Come on Sammy!

Quit "Red Pineing" away about your failure to influence the system in your and your client's favor!

We all have your number!

You and yours are what make the political system laughable!

Anonymous said...

Vote for Sammy!

Or vote for her challenger, plus 1100, to dethrone her



Hey Sammy, don't you find that a bit cowardly?

These are your rules, are they not?

Anonymous said...

Come on Sammy!

Quit using my hard-earned money to feather your nest!

Get a real job!

Or at least quit using my money to finance your business needs!

Anonymous said...

Sammy! Sammy! Sammy!

Do you even understand the meaning of "Conflict of Interest?"

Anonymous said...

Hey Sammy!

The clay pipes in my subdivision are in need of repair.

Could you take some time away of from profiting on my rate payments and possibly fix the problem?

By the way, I look forward to meeting you at your next place of employment.

Heads up!

I want fries with that order!

Anonymous said...

Would someone tell Sammy to fix the problems she was assigned to fix.

Good Lord!

Is it the obligation of Hidden Valley residents to subsidize her realtor income?

Anonymous said...

I am available anytime to discuss.


Unless, of course, Sammy, we wish to vote against you!

You can't sanction such heresy!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"Sammy! Sammy! She's my gal!"

Or so says the DCEDI!


I don't think you will hear any chearing from the general population though!

They get quite finicky when politicians waste their hard-earned money!

Anonymous said...

HIDDEN VALLEY RESIDENTS: You WILL NOT be able to vote at the annual meeting - Tuesday, June 26, 2007

SAMMY: I am available anytime to discuss.


Discuss this, Sammy!

Anonymous said...

Sammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I am Sammy Gutzwiller and to all of those "anonymous" messages they are not worth the paper they are written on.

But Ms. Gutzwiller's message does byte the space it occupies!

Megabytes!

Anonymous said...

Was it Gutzwiller who pondered that Hidden Valley Lake would be a lot deeper if we could just eradicate all those fresh water sponges that inhabit lake?

Anonymous said...

what kind of businessman are you?
we provide gas serviceand dont make any money off of itwe have nothing to show for this service!
whos pocket is the natural gas revenue going into HACKER ARMBRECHT and SYPNIEWSKI

Anonymous said...

Hacker, how do you look in the mirror everyday after what your leadership has not accomplished for it's members. You haven't done anything but show us recipts on what you haven't done. Wasted $1,000,00 ON SEWER PLANT THE MEMBERS DIDN'T WANT!!!!! LET WATER CONTRACT EXSPIRE SO H.V.L. HAD NO WATER. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MEMBERS! YOU TAKE CREDIT FOR RUPLES RATES BEFORE YOU CAME ON BOARD. RUPLE DID THAT SO YOU COULD PAY FINES AND FIX INFRASTRUCTURE! IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN HONEST MAN INSTEAD OF POWER FREAK OUR WATER & SEWER RATES WOULD BE LOWER, LOWER, LOWER!!! EVERYONE KNOWS YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT PRICES (ATTORNEY) GO AHEAD HE HAS ALWAYS RAN THE COMPANY! O-YA AND STROKED YOUR EGO. WHY DIDN'T YOU LET STAN BEELER TAKE QUORUM OUT OF BY LAWS???? I GUESS IT WAS THE $20,000 DOLLERS MONTH ATTONEY TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO. LETS FACE IT YOU WERE BETTER AT MAKING DOLLHOUSES. DO THE RIGHT THING FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, LET THE BEST MEN WIN WHO HAS THE MOST VOTES. BE A FAIR,HONEST MAN FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE SHOCK EVERYONE WITH HONEST ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LETS NOT FORGET JUST BECAUSE YOU & SAMMY COULDN'T GET GOOD CONTRACT WITH GREENDALE YOU WILL NOT SIGN ONTHE DOTTED LINE NOW. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? DON'T YOU know A GOOD THING WHEN YOU SEE IT? 30 YEARS OF FAIR SEWER&WATER CONTRACT RIGHT AT OUR BACK DOOR & NO MORE ATTORNEY FEES. STEP DOWN LET SOMEONE ELSE DO THE JOB YOU WOULDN'T DO. QUIT BEING UN AMERICAN ABOUT EVERYTHING. GIVE THE MEMBERS THERE FREEDOM BACK!!!! LET IT GO.............

Anonymous said...

WHEN WE THINK OF GOOD LEADERSHIP, WE DO NOT THINK HACKER, WE THINK HELP. A PRESIDENT WHO CHANGES THE RULES OF ELECTION JUST TO KEEP HIS SEAT ON B.O.D. HOW SAD IS THAT! IF YOU HAVE GONE ON VACATION FOR 3 WEEKS TO BAD YOUR MAIL IS PASSE AND YOU DON'T GET TO VOTE YOUR BALLET. 30 DAYS IS THE NORMAL. BUT NOT THIS YEAR, NOTHING IS FARE!!!!!1. NO MEET CANIDATE NIGHT. 2.NEED 830 VOTE TO MAKE YOUR VOTE VALID.3. CAN NOT VOTE AT ANNUAL MEETING 6/26/07 SO THEY CAN CONTROLL THE BALLOT FROM OFFICE. 4.THEY CAN THROUGH SOME OUT. 5.SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T GET BALLOTS FOR OTHER LOTS THEY OWN.6.CANIDATES DIDN'T GET NUMBERS OF MEMBERS WHO WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. NOT FAIR 7.NOTICE ABOUT CHANGES ON ALL THE ABOVE, WASN'T ANNOUNCED AT LAST VRUC. MEETING. HOW CROOKED IS THAT AMERICA??????VOTE H.V.L. VOTE LIKE YOU NEVER DID BEFORE. TAKE THE EVIL OUT OF THE VRUC.

Anonymous said...

NOW THAT SAMMY HAS LOST ANOTHER JOB,SHE HAS HOOKED UP WITH WHO ELSE BUT JEFF BITTNER WHO IS ON THE VRUC. B.O.D. WHAT DB YOU THINK OF THAT DILLSB. WATCH OUT BITTNER YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF AT ARGOSY TO SEE WERE YOUR MONEY WENT!

Anonymous said...

VRUC. OLD B.O.D. DO YOU HAVE NO SHAME, DID YOU EVER PUT THE MEMBERS FIRST? NO, DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE FORCED BY THE STATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING? WE THE MEMBERS WOULDN'T HAVE WATER, IF THE STATE WOULDN'T STEPPED IN.POOR LEADERSHIP THATS WHAT EVERYONE SAYS. TO BAD. VOTE EVERYONE!!!! HAMILTON ON P.O.A. FINANCE COMMITEE, $18,000.00 WAS SPENT ON STUDY ON OUTSIDE THE BOX UNNESSARY PROJECT FOR LAST TWO AND THREE MONTHS. THAT MONEY SHOULD HAVE WENT TO PAY FINES, REPAIRS AND 30 YEAR CONTRACT WITH GREENDALE. SIGN THE 30 YEAR CONTRACT B.O.D. MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR HVL MEMBERS. FOR THE GRACE OF GOD!!VOTE YAGGI , VOTE ZIEGLER..... THE NEEDS EVERYONES SUPORT NOW MORE THAN EVER..SAVE YOUR PROPERTY VALUE, THIS VOTE IS THE POEPLES VOTE GO GO GO GO .!

Anonymous said...

The good news:

The incompetent incumbents at the VRUC will probably lose their positions.

The Bad news:

The incompetent incumbents on the DCRSD will probably hire the ousted incompetent incumbents of the VRUC as paid consultants.

citizen said...

Isn't there some way to force them to have an honest election? Can't believe they can get by with it.

Anonymous said...

i have an idea the vruc is paying mr.parvin price $20,000 a month, for his services as the vrucs attorney its about time mr. price gives the money back so the vruc can repair the inflow and infiltration problems of hidden valley lake how about that mr. parvin price time for you to pay us property owners back !

Anonymous said...

Well, at least we know that the $20,000.00 is still being flushed down one sewer or another.

L. Parvin Price...all the stink of a backed-up sewer...without all those excavation worries!

Anonymous said...

Possibly, at the next Members' meeting, Sammy can have a Power Point presentation of all the nice things the Members bought L. Parvin Price.

Slide 1: His new Beemer.

Slide 2: His new Houseboat.

Slide 3: His wife's new fur coat.

Slide 4: His mistress' new summer home.

Slide 5: His massive donation to his church to assuage his guilt.

Etc. Etc. Etc.............

citizen said...

Do all the property owners in Hidden Valley know what has been going on?

Anonymous said...

Every Time a Bell Rings an Angel Gets His Wings.

Every time Hidden Valley Lake E-Coli Sings L. Parvin Price Gets His Things.

Anonymous said...

Do all the property owners in Hidden Valley know what has been going on?

Maybe, all the property owners in Hidden Valley are spending too much time "inside the box!"

Outside the "box" seems to be where all the decisions are being made!

Apparently, all the realtors/developers have their bank accounts located "outside the box!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Anonymous said...

What is next with the VRUC Board?

Are they investing their money in concrete septic tanks?

Are they going to manufacture another "sewer crisis" in Dearborn County (As Brett Fehrman looks on in anxious anticipation)?

Will residents of Hidden Valley now be forced onto septic systems?

Oh, the irony, of the greedy realtor/developers!

Anonymous said...

"Inside the Box!"

"Outside the Box!"



Just a bunch of "babbally-gook" from the errant children at the VRUC caught with their hands in the Hidden Valley "cookie jar!!!!!!!!!!! "

Anonymous said...

Fair contracts with Greendale for sewer and water to benefit all the members have been negligently allowed to expire...


I don’t think so.


Negligently suggest mere misfeasance!

The actions of the folks on the VRUC are the epitome of malfeasance!

Anonymous said...

Face it, good people of Hidden Valley.

Your dollars are being squandered to finance the dreams of a few in the Realtor/Developer Community!!!

Anonymous said...

Isn't there some way to force them to have an honest election? Can't believe they can get by with it.

I'm sure the VRUC BOD are following, most cooperatively, the legal advice from a certain "outside the box" attorney.

Anonymous said...

"Inside the Box!"

"Outside the Box!"



Have you ever noticed, that such nonsensical idioms are almost always prattled off by generally ineffectual dolts while in the mist of wasting someone else's money?

Anonymous said...

Did you know a property owner that lives out west on a dessert in arizona only pays $30.00 a month for sewage and water! Residents that live in hidden valley lake seem to pay anywhere from $ 70.00 to $ 160.00 a month for sewage and water . we live close to many bodies of water the ohio river and many others. Its about time somebody looks into this issue for lowering our water and sewage bills i wonder are they putting gold in our water ?

Anonymous said...

hello vruc bod and other volunteer committees in hidden valley lake. Is'nt it funny that this private community has a little gang of 300 or less that runs 5,500 residents of hidden valley lake.The volunteers seem to get french benifits, like $ 10.00 water and sewage bills, lavish parties entertaining high $$$$ PRICE $$$$ ATTORNEYS for $$ 80,000 $$ meeting wine and dined at $$$ ARGOSY CASINO $$$ gambling with not just our money impressing chairman of the board Of VRUC the one and only attorney L> Parvin $ PRICE $ with our sewage and water capacity.He wated $ mMILLIONS$ of our hard earned money trying to build a sewage treatment plant behind the peoples back to line his pockets and the boards;by underhandedly trying to get a building permit for sewage treatment plant hoping to pull the wool over OKI.By starting to build the plant before getting there approval. In trying to pull this fast one the people interveined VRUC double cross. Nomatter what L>Parvin Price right or wrong gets $$ 20,000 $$ a month . We are on his retirement plant. We owe him an arm and a leg for nothing but receipts for the last 13 years!Now, to stay on the band wagon hes on a role seeking outside the box another sewage plant to build for the VRUC in Ohio which has cost us $18,000 for a study without going thur the proper protocall again OKI OKI OKI he is still up to his tricks gambling with our money in ever respect by stroking the boards ego making them power nuts like himself except one thing the board are his monkeys and don't reep in $20,000 a month like he does. Just think VRUC members this hole nightmare could be over with the board signing the 30 year secure water and sewage contract with the city of Greendale. Just think all it takes is the signatures of the board and L> PARVIN PRICE is off our gravey train and retirement fund forever !!!!!!!! Don't let this man and this board gamble with our money and property values any longer vote vote VRUC members to secure our families futures for a better quality of life. THANK YOU FOR READING THIS.This issue is critical for all H.V.L.RESIDENTS

Anonymous said...

I can’t believe Idiots can make up such lies as above. If this were true, why don’t you post your name and email address so we can ask you for documentation.

I guess some sad people just have nothing better to do all day than think of lies to slander good people, who work at no cost, for the good of the community.

Yours must be a sad existence.

I would sign my name, but I see some of you would rather flame someone telling the truth and accept only negative input.

Anonymous said...

I can’t believe Idiots can make up such lies as above.


Point out the lies.

Then refute the lies...point for point.

Then give us point by point analysis of what you have actually done for the rate paying people of Hidden Valley.

You remember Hidden Valley?

That place, somewhere, inside the box!

Anonymous said...

Point out the lies.


Don't hold your breath!!!

Anonymous said...

What is the next action by the VRUC to "serve" the citizens of Hidden Valley?

Are they going to raise, once again, the number needed for a quorum?

Anonymous said...

For every $100.00 the VRUC has spent on "outside the box" disasters...how many pennies have gone to the infastructure of Hidden Valley?

Maybe the VRUC BOD would get more done for the people of Hidden Valley if they spent more time with the people of Hidden Valley...and less time with their realtor/developer cronies!

Anonymous said...

Dearborn County Plan Commission refused the Red Pine development presented by Andy Timmel and Realtor, Sammy Gutzweiler, due to inadequate sewage service promised by VRUC in documents signed by Floyd Ogden, for which Chairman Mark Mitter at the January 23, 2006 meeting, threatened to notify the Indiana Attorney General concerning the perjury.


To some in our Realtor and Developer community, being always the optimists when there is a dollar to be made...

...perjury is just a lie turned upside down!!!

Anonymous said...

One thing O.J. Simpson and P. Price attoney have in common is, they both get away with MURDER. Watch out Tucker in Bright, you are next on Prics agenda. Now he has got you hooked watch your money go down the drain just like V.R.U.C. money went down the john. Watch out Bittner now that sammy has learned from the best (Price) you are in deep shit; now that Mommy and Daddy are moving out of state not guarding the hen house, don't be surprised Sammy takes you on a ride and clean out your pockets. You know they say Evil, Breeds Evil. everybody vote, vote, vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

As I understand it, Hidden Valley is a pay to play community. You chose to live in an environment regulated by a bunch of condo type association people. Having regrets? Hidden Valley is like buying a boat. It's great to buy it and also great when you sell it. Everyone leaves Hidden Valley for the same reason. They want to be "in the club" but also demand the finer things from Dearborn County. When they can't get it then they understand their mistake on the lake.

Anonymous said...

Don't know Sammy but Hacker seems like a nice guy I'm surprised he he would be involved in doing this kind of crap.

Anonymous said...

"Don't know Sammy but Hacker seems like a nice guy I'm surprised he he would be involved in doing this kind of crap."

Boy, has he got you hoodwinked!

You better wake up before they take a whole lot more of your money.

Just look at all our money they have wasted so far!

Anonymous said...

Why do people have to be so damn greedy Sammy an Hacker have plenty of money you'd think since they live here they would want to stop building an save some of nature. That piece of land would make a great nature preserve

Anonymous said...

Just heard need 290 more votes to get them out of there! VOTE

Anonymous said...

If you have doubts ask the Mayor of Greendale what the present VRUC board has been up too. I'm he will gladly fill you in on the under handed things that have been going on.

Anonymous said...

Don't you think it would be a good idea to get the majority vote of the property owners inside hidden valley lakeinsted of the board members votes.For example over in cincinnati when the bengals were looking into building a football stadium they got and received a majority vote and i believe the reds did the same. my queation to all property owners of hvl . do you think we all could have a majority vote like the reds and bengals did?If for example 51% passes on an issue with the VRUC it goes. I think we all should honestly look into this great suggestion and all will prevail for the betterment of the valley!

Anonymous said...

"Don't you think it would be a good idea to get the majority vote of the property owners inside hidden valley lakeinsted of the board members votes."

Seems like that would be better to me, but it won't happen with the "old guard" running things.

Anonymous said...

Could you please tell me who is the liason between the poa and the vruc? It seems to me that who ever the person is can't be working on the better interest of the poa property owners!I was told it is Bill Acra. What is his main responsibility ? I have a suggestion how about a more mutual board . I've heard in the past we could develop a mediation board between the poa board and the vruc board. This board would remain neutral. what do you property owners think of this suggestion?

Anonymous said...

Sounds great but you won't get the old VRUC board to agree. They have not been real open with the POA from the way I understand it. The people need to show more interest an pay more attention to what is going on in the Valley.

Anonymous said...

Hey all you property owners in HVL! Don't you think its also about time for Mr. Parvin Price attorney for the vruc to also step down and be fired or forced to resign?With all do respect Mr. Price with a name like yours you sure are setting the PRICE!!! I wonder what you eat for dinner every night?I betscha you eat the best steak around not just beans and weiners like most of us HVL memnbers eat our water and sewer bills are so high I'm afraid to take abath every night. Please Mr. Price its time for you to move on and resighn its time for the water to be turned off by you don't you think so Mr. Price? I would love to see a lower water and sewage bill a month but paying youn $20,000 dollars a month I don't as a vruc customer we will never see that day!I used to sing in the shower but my wife seems to limit my time in the shower. Its time to show you the door stage exit right for Mr. Parvin Price GOOD DAY TO YOU AND REMEMBER I HOPE SOME DAY YOU HAVE A CONSCIOUS???

Anonymous said...

I would like to find out why some customers of the vruc get a water and sewage bill much lower then other vruc members?What is the average bill of a vruc member?What is the highest bill a vruc member has to pay?I found out that a vruc member only paid ten dollars . How can that be. That seems to be way off the track. Some type of internal investigation should be undertaken about this issue.

Anonymous said...

"I would like to find out why some customers of the vruc get a water and sewage bill much lower than other vruc members?"

I think we'll find out after the first "post election" audit.

Anonymous said...

Guess what ! I just got off the phone with a representative from cincinnati metropolitan sewage board. I was asking them some questions about sewage and water issues. I aked them if they take on more customers ? The representative gave me the impression that there sewage and water rates are all going up sky high. They even told me that the EPA is coming in to fine them alot of money! So maybe we just be greatful that things could allways be worse!

Anonymous said...

Get with the program. Sammy has been off of the VRUC board for well over a year. It's time to look for another person to attack.

Anonymous said...

LOL...Sammy is still lobbing Grenades from afar (Dillsboro).