Tuesday, July 31, 2007

GREENDALE RESPONDS TO VRUC BOARD PRESIDENT

Greendale Responds to VRUC Board President

The following letter was sent by Al Abdon for Greendale to Jack Arduin, new President of the VRUC Board. The Stan mentioned in the letter is Stan Beeler- also on VRUC's Board. (Beeler has a posting on the PUBLIC FORUM just prior to VRUC elections) VRUC recently turned down Greendale's contract for service.

July 25, 2007

Valley Rural Utility Company
Hidden Valley Lake
Lawrenceburg, Indiana 47025

Re: Water / Sewer Negotiations

Jack:

This correspondence is in reply to our discussion on Friday, July 20th wherein you informed me that, at your Thursday, July 19th VRUC Board Meeting, the VRUC Board again voted down the contract for water & sewer service, and failed to propose a counter offer. It has become increasingly obvious that no matter how many concessions Greendale makes VRUC is not interested in getting an agreement. Every time we come to agreement on each new VRUC issue, the Board rejects the agreement. It has gone so far as VRUC Board Member Armbrectd calling me on my personal cell phone before a meeting stating that he and Board Member Bittner were ready to vote for the agreement, and then both voted against it.

Greendale has offered VRUC a thirty-year agreement which guarantees long-term rate stability for both water and sewer service to VRUC customers, relieves VRUC of its contractual obligation to spend millions of dollars on a new water treatment plant, and offers VRUC the ability to serve hundreds of new customers inside your CTA, including the Red Pines developer, who is currently before the IURC to opt out of your CTA because of your inability to provide service. Finally, in an effort to help save VRUC money by avoiding future action by IDEM against VRUC, Greendale has offered technical assistance, and to accompany and support VRUC efforts to acquire low interest funding to fix your current collection system problems.

Greendale feels that to continue to spend valuable time on fruitless negotiations with VRUC is time that we could spend doing more productive work for the City. We plan to move forward with alternate plans, including service to Red Pine, and wish you luck in the future.

Jack, it has been my pleasure to work with both you and Stan and we applaud your common sense, intellect and especially your noble efforts on behalf of the good people of Hidden Valley, as well as the other VRUC customers…but you and I both know that you can only bang against the wall so long and eventually you have to walk around it…it’s time to walk around. That said, if at some point VRUC wishes to submit a contract proposal to Greendale, we will give it just consideration, but we will not continue down the long road already traveled.

Kindest regards,

Al Abdon

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Anonymous said...

And Ladies and Gentlemen, the DCRSD is positioning themselves to be the VRUC of OUR community!

The Board's personal needs and desires for personal profits, will win out against the community's better interests!

It is yet, not too late to act!

But act we must!

Anonymous said...

Greendale has offered VRUC a thirty-year agreement which guarantees long-term rate stability for both water and sewer service to VRUC customers...

It is not about the "customers," but the rate of return for a hand-full of realtors and their developer friends!

Anonymous said...

What former bought and paid for politico would the VRUC feel comfortable hiring that has already been hired by the DCRSD?

Ask yourselves why?

Is it because she is a people person?

Quit laughing and answer the question.

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe that this bologna between Greendale and the VRUC has been going this long.

This county is going backwards, there is nothing positive about doing business here. Why would anybody want to be here with this stuff?

Whether Greendale is right or VRUC is right does not matter, you both are failing to recognize the waste that you are causing.

Anonymous said...

What waste?

Saving existing citizens, long term, money?

Anonymous said...

Oh, I see the person who keeps posting articles pretaining to HVL, a private community, on a public forum is back from vacation. So how was Italy, was the pizza as good as your daddy-in-law makes? From what I've seen and read it is Jack, Stan and yourself who are selling out HVL. Afterall, you are the one who is spearheading the move for HVL to incorporate. Everyone knows it's much easier to incorporate if your sewer and water issues are solved before hand. If anyone is interested in finding out about this person and her ridiculas ramblings and just exactly what HVL thinks of her just go to hvlprivatecommunity.com and click Comments. As far as the letter from Al Abdon goes, he was the one who helped write the proposal, did you really expect him to point out the long term ill effects it would have on VRUC/HVL. Ask anyone besides the names mentioned in Al's letter for the real facts of that contract.

Anonymous said...

"Oh, I see the person who keeps posting articles pretaining to HVL..."

Cat fight!

Your ignorance is entertaining!!!

Anonymous said...

Sammy's perturbed!

How dare the better interests of the citizens of HVL get in the way of her income possibilites!

Anonymous said...

Hidden Valley:

For those who would like to live in the country, without all the pleasantries of really enjoying true country life.

jb said...

RE: Anonymous 4:49 PM posting
"Ask anyone besides the names mentioned in Al's letter for the real facts of that contract."

If you know the REAL FACTS how about enlightening the rest of us?

Anonymous said...

Come on jb, the facts will probably add up to something, along the lines, that realtor/developers were not licensed to profit at the expense of the residents of HVL!

Anonymous said...

To those who think that realtors and developers are the only people involved with bettering VRUC and HVL let me quote anonymous 4:55 p.m...."your ignorance is entertaining." There are other beside realtors and developers in HVL that dislike the methods used by Maria, Doc J, Jack, Stan and the rest of the stooges!

Anonymous said...

"To those who think that realtors and developers are the only people involved with bettering VRUC and HVL..."

No one has ever suggested that realtors and developers have ever been involved with bettering the VRUC or the HVL!!!

Quite the contrary!!!

Anonymous said...

Residents to HVL want the most economical means pursued regarding their water and sewer needs.

Realtor/developers want the most return for their respective investments, regardless of what is best for HVL residents.

Nah!!!

No conflict there!!!

Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight. If I'm was a realtor/developer and I made my living selling homes in HVL, I wouldln't want what is best for the Valley residents?

That just sounds stupid to me. If the Valley goes downhill so would home sales.

Boy, am I glad your not on either Valley Board of Directors or committees.

Anonymous said...

Short term profits blind the greedy!

Anonymous said...

What is the downside of letting Greendale handle our water and sewer, especially at a reasonable price?

It would seem that the manipulators on and behind the VRUC are the only losers in the deal.

Their feelings aside, big deal!

Anonymous said...

"So let me get this straight. If I'm was a realtor/developer and I made my living selling homes in HVL, I wouldln't want what is best for the Valley residents?

That just sounds stupid to me. If the Valley goes downhill so would home sales. "

So what about the fact that most of the realtors and developers are working developing land outside the valley?

And dealing with DCRSD is good for the citizens? The costs from DCRSD would be significantly higher as indicated by DCRSD itself.

Someone needs to look a little further into all the facts.

Anonymous said...

How much money is there for the realtor/developer inside HVL. You don't make much on individual lots!

How many developments are they trying to serve outside HVL, where there is a whole group of houses to make money on?

And why does a VRUC employee provide incorrect information to the plan commission, that VRUC has capacity to serve an outside development, when Greendale indicates there is no such capacity and VRUCs capacity is from Greendale.

Anonymous said...

Hello everybody, I'm so happy that everyone is glad that I am home. As you can read, again the HVL residents and other county residents are being better informed.

I want to state a correction to all the people that wonder why I want to become a town. I moved to HVL to raise my family exclusively in a private community. Due to the VRUC wanting to build a sewage treatment plant that would bring down the value of our homes, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars of residents’ money unnecessarily on a lawyer, not signing a secure fair negotiated thirty-year contract with Greendale, denying my proposal for the members to get to vote on the contract issue on the recent election ballot, lack of involvement of the POA to support the members – these are the reasons I wanted to become a town. Becoming a town was only an alternative to save the integrity of Hidden Valley Lake. If the thirty-year utility contract is signed between VRUC and Greendale, I would prefer to remain a private community. I hope I have cleared the air for many curious individuals.

Yes, I have been away - my trip to Europe with my entire family was amazing.

Thank you, Maria LaRosa

Anonymous said...

What is the VRUC offering as an alternative to Greendale's offer of long term price stability?

It would seem nothing!

Other than trying to hold on to an entity that may be a means to develop more land around HVL, at extraordinary costs to the residents of HVL!

Anonymous said...

Other than trying to hold on to an entity that may be a means to develop more land around HVL, at extraordinary costs to the residents of HVL!

It would seem that the Board members of the DCRSD would hold the Board of the VRUC up as role models.

I would not be surprised if the DCRSD's Board have posters of their favorite VRUC celebrities on the walls of their bedrooms!

Anonymous said...

Maria....I just read the article about you at hvlprivatecommunity.com and after reading your latest reply on this web I'm going to have to agree with hvlprivatecommunity.com. Your only in this for the attention it can bring you. I also read all the other comments and no where in any of them did I read where anyone was glad you were back.
I live in Greendale and have no real interest in what problems you or any other of the wanna be, show off snobs living in that place has.
Why don't you stay off the County website with all your little daily problems so more important COUNTY matters can be intelligently discussed.

Anonymous said...

"Why don't you stay off the County website with all your little daily problems so more important COUNTY matters can be intelligently discussed."

We would not want matters of HVL corruption discussed on a County forum.

A County Prosecutor may be reading these postings!

Which would not bode well for the VRUC!

Crooks loathe the spotlight!

Anonymous said...

If the honest and above board invite more scrutiny.

Why then do the VRUC operatives spurn it?

Anonymous said...

Why then do the VRUC operatives spurn it?

Why does the criminal cringe at the sound of a police siren?

cc said...

RE: 7:29 AM Aug 1 posting-
HVL IS in the county. They are governed by county ordinances and vote in county elections. Greendale votes in county elections also.
And in case anyone is paying attention- both Greendale and VRUC are being affected by DCRSD's decisons and lack of decisions.

Anonymous said...

And in case anyone is paying attention- both Greendale and VRUC are being affected by DCRSD's decisions and lack of decisions.


And it is one very specific special interest that is costing many in this county both their time and money.

What is that common denominator?

DEVELOPERS!!!

Anonymous said...

DEVELOPERS!!!

And what is Senator Johnny Nugent's advise to these developers:

"FLEECE THEM A BIT SLOWER, MAYBE THEY WILL NOT NOTICE!"

Anonymous said...

I'm not here to bash people or their communities. I have one serious question to ask...what will Greendale stand to loose without VRUC's business? According to financial statement they stand to loose nearly $500,000. per year. Can we afford that? With this being an election year can the Mayor afford to have that black mark against him when it come campaign time? You know the opponent will use that against the incumbent. I've heard that VRUC has made a counter offer to Greendale and Greendale has yet to respond. I would suggest both sides get together and develope a plan that everyone can accept. Both sides need to give in just a little. If not, you may just see a new Mayor of Greendale come November. I may be wrong but I can't imagin a Mayor loosing that much yearly income and then getting relected. Think ahead people!

Anonymous said...

I've heard that VRUC has made a counter offer to Greendale and Greendale has yet to respond.

What offer?

Name it?

Anonymous said...

Greendale has offered to supply and support the needs of HVL.

The fact the some members of the VRUC feel that Greendale should support projects outside of HVL, for the personal gain of a few, is not the fault of Greendale.

Anonymous said...

Why was Sammy Gutzweiller, who lives in HVL, actively campaigning at the poles in May with a Denoma representative - both supporting Mr. Rhezo for mayor who is an engineer involved with the Denoma project and DCRSD?

Sammy is also a partner with Jeff Bittner in a new realty company (USA Land Development) and Jeff is the head senoir VRUC board member who recently again denied the thirty-year contract after Greendale compromised VRUC's final requests. Bittner is now asking for another change once all earlier requests were compromised and satistied by Greendale and the VRUC Board. Bittner and the other 3 senoir members hypocritically reneged voting for the contract. This is typical VRUC Board behavior for the last 10 years!

Anonymous said...

No one has answered the question as to what will Greendale do when they lose $500,00. per year because they didn't sign VRUC to a contract.
With so much at steak you can't blame just one party. Please answer the question...what will Greendale do without the money?

Anonymous said...

It was announced at the POA meeting on 7-26-07 that VRUC made a counter proposal to Greendale. Aparently someone from VRUC was present and made the statement. No details were given.

Anonymous said...

As a 50 yr. resident of Dearborn County, I wish the imported Buckeyes, and look at me I live in Hidden Valley locals would go to another blog site. We the true residence of the county do'nt want to hear their "problems". I farm and have enough problems with weather, grain markets and developers.

Anonymous said...

Notice that the letter from Greendale was dated July 25, 2007 and Mr. Sypniewski supposedly made this announcement at the POA Meeting on Thursday, July 26, 2007 after he and the other 3 'senior' VRUC members had already voted NO against the final negotiated contract.

What's the real truth???

tjaw said...

As a 50 yr. resident of Dearborn County, I wish the imported Buckeyes, and look at me I live in Hidden Valley locals would go to another blog site.

Amen

Anonymous said...

go start your own "50yr+ residents of Dearborn County" blog then. if it involves Dearborn County, it's fair game here.

Anonymous said...

re: anonymous 12:04 p.m.....Notice that the letter from Greendale was dater 7-25-07.....and VRUC made their counter proposal on 7-26-07 after 3 senior VRUC members vote No against the final negotiated contract.

Well fool, so much for the "final negotiated contract", read the last few lines in the letter from Al Abdon. It states "if at some point in time VRUC wishes to submitt a contract proposal to Greendale, we will give it just consideration, but we will not continue down the long road already traveled."

What's so hard to understand about that, VRUC turned in a proposal at Al Abdon's request on the 26th. Now it up to Greendale to decide what they want to do. That what you call negotiating.

Since this has been asked twice before and no one will answer it, I will take my turn at asking it...what happens to Greendale when they lose $500,00. per year by not signing up VRUC.

Anonymous said...

Well if you have been here for 50 years you should know by now that everything that happens anywhere in this County effects the entire County. Besides this blog I thought was set up for the purpose of letting Dearborn County residents have a voice and opinion.
Plus if didn't realize Hidden Valley is in Dearborn County.

If you have problems with the weather go read the weather channels webpage.

Anonymous said...

The VRUC and the DCRSD seem to be a perfect match.

"Development at any cost" interests seem to have taken over both boards.

The individual existing homeowners are only pawns to be played by board members to subsidize personal development projects.

If realtor and developers want development they should pay for it upfront and outright, instead of all this back-room, back-office sewer board manipulations.

The way some in our local realtor/development business have so co-opted local government to enhance their portfollios at the expense of existing property owners is shameful!

These manipulators and all their enablers need to thrown out on their ears!

Anonymous said...

If you have problems with the weather go read the weather channels webpage.

Don't be surprisd if this person is not just a DCEDI development stooge pretending to be a "farmer."

Anonymous said...

What does the VRUC want that Greendale is not offering?

Anonymous said...

What does the VRUC want that Greendale is not offering?

The VRUC will queer every deal that does not permit unrestrained development around and outside HVL.

It really is that simple.

This is just another development power play.

At the expense of the residents of HVL.

Anonymous said...

"what happens to Greendale when they lose $500,00. per year by not signing up VRUC. "

Profits aren't that simple. $500,000 in sales doesn't mean profits of $500,000. There's expenses. Sell a $500,000 house and your lucky as a realtor to get $50,000.
Greendales profits are encumbered by many expenses. One expense at the head of the list is lawyer fees. Keep in mind VRUC has been suing everything that moves. It's very expensive and non productive.

Sammy this post is for U.

Anonymous said...

You keep bringing up this $500,000 that supposedly you think Greendale will be losing by not servicing VRUC. Just what 'invisible' entity is going to service VRUC at this time?!?! Do you have a viable plan?

Anonymous said...

Keep in mind VRUC has been suing everything that moves. It's very expensive and non productive.

The most on point post of the day!!!

If the VRUC had been spending "their" own money and not "ours" maybe they would have been a bit less litigious!!!

Anonymous said...

"Do you have a viable plan?"

No, but they seem to have an unviable vision, that places much of the operating costs for a handful of local developers and realtors on the plate of the residents of HVL.

Anonymous said...

If Greendale desires to take over the VRUC, they better be willing to adopt a few of L. Parvin Price's children!

Thanks to the VRUC Board, they will be putting his kids through college and paying for any and all incidental costs for some time to come!

Anonymous said...

It would seem that the VRUC has no bargaining position left, other than to hold the residents of HVL hostage!!!

Anonymous said...

No one mentioned $500,000 as profit. If Greendale looses that income there will still be expenses to pay and less income to pay it.

As one resident of Greendale I promise that at election time I will make every Greendale resident aware that our Mayor, Mr. Hedrick, allowed $500,000 per year to slip away and for no real reason other than "I'll show them who's boss!" .

Mr. Rhezo's name was mentioned earlier. I take it that he may very well be a canidate running for the office of Greendale Mayor. I'm sure at campaign time he'll have a comment or two about a Mayor losing that much income

Anonymous said...

"As one resident of Greendale I promise that at election time I will make every Greendale resident aware that our Mayor, Mr. Hedrick, allowed $500,000 per year to slip away and for no real reason other than "I'll show them who's boss!" ."

Whatever, Sammy or whatever alter ego or kindred spirit you are posting as!

Transparency is your greatest enemy!

Anonymous said...

We all should give the VRUC everything it wants, even if it raises the costs of services ten fold of all existing utility customers!

Anonymous said...

"...about a Mayor losing that much income..."

The DCRSD and St. Leon have the problem distinguishing between gross income and the net costs to their customers!

Ask the folks who are expected to expend upwards of $40,000.00 to connect to the the DCRSD or St. Leon's sewers!

Anonymous said...

Yes!

The DCRSD, VRUC and St. Leon share the same problem distinguishing between gross receipts and net profits!

Anonymous said...

Where are the net profits to the respective utility customers?

Where is the savings to those who have to get a loan, that will never be recouped, to hook on to a "developer's" sewer?

Anonymous said...

"Mr. Hedrick, allowed $500,000 per year to slip away and for no real reason other than "I'll show them who's boss!" .

In my opinion,the income loss will be very nominal from Greendale's view point.
The law suits and loss of time dealing with the "old order" VRUC board, will more than off set the profits.

Let VRUC build their own water plant and join hands with a "non-functional" much more expensive DCRSD. Then maybe, just maybe, the citizens of Hidden Valley Lake will understand the inept management they have had in the last 12 years.

Anonymous said...

I would go as far as saying that Greendale will save money while the poor folks at HVL lake will be forced to pay even more money for their sewer and water services.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I would go as far as saying that Greendale will save money while the poor folks at HVL lake will be forced to pay even more money for their sewer and water services.

4:44 PM, August 01, 2007

I'd say that was an UNDERSTATEMENT.

In NO WAY......will it be cheaper for the Hidden Valley Lake citizens.

Anonymous said...

Let us just face the facts...

...this whole exercise has not been about the citizens of Hidden Valley Lake...

...this has been an attempt to feather the beds of a very few parasitic individuals!

Anonymous said...

All those parasites need do is sign the contract .
LOL,
The VRUC (HVL citizens) water bill would have been thousands of dollars cheaper if a couple of arrogant parasites would have signed . If they don't sign ,it'll be a couple of MILLION dollars higher.

Anonymous said...

And do you think Mr Hrezo- running for mayor- doesn't have a whole passel of his conflicts of interest?

Anonymous said...

And do you think Mr Hrezo- running for mayor- doesn't have a whole passel of his conflicts of interest?


Yes, the same parasites that are doing 90% of the complaining and presently unsuccessful in looking for political favors.

Anonymous said...

If the VRUC and the DCRSD ever get together, we will make the Guinness Book of World Records as the County where it costs the most per flush!

Anonymous said...

I have seen numbers that the DCRSD would be 600% more expensive than what Greendale has offered.

But I think under the DCRSD's plan, the taxpayers get the privilege to subsidize local, down and out, realtors and developers.

To date, Greendale is just offering a good price on water and sewer without all the realtor/developer perks!

Maybe, Greendale can offer a check box on their bills that a resident can X out if the customer would like to donate 600% over their respective bills to sponsor a developer charity case.

Maybe, our local realtor/developers could get Sally Struthers to do a commerical for their cause, tears and all!!!

Anonymous said...

If Sammy was a greeter at Walmart, the good citizens of HVL would have already had their infiltrating sewer lines fixed and locked into a reasonable 30 year water and sewer deal!

If only Sammy could find peace with her true vocation and calling!

Anonymous said...

"...this has been an attempt to feather the beds of a very few parasitic individuals!"

Even more evidence that the VRUC would feel right at home with the DCRSD!

Anonymous said...

To those of you who are obsessed with blaming all of life's problems on Sammy or the VRUC, one thought comes to mind:
It is better to remain silent and thought a fool then to speak and remove all doubts!

You should have remained silent!!!!

Anonymous said...

Thanks once again to development interests on the VRUC, HVL is without a viable and reasonable contract for water and sewer services.

If these development interests want sewers to service their projects, why don't they get a loan and build a treatment plant on their own?

But like the DCRSD, the VRUC want to hold residents hostage for their own selfish needs!

Anonymous said...

This county is one screwed up place.

Anonymous said...

The people of HVL in the past have remained silent and made a fool of by Sammy and the VRUC gang. The VRUC silently misused the money entrusted to the VRUC gang by the residents of HVL to correctly run the utility company. The residents have been left with a failing sewer infrastructure and costly CTA's for the developer/realtor that VRUC can't service.

Anonymous said...

"To those of you who are obsessed with blaming all of life's problems on Sammy or the VRUC, one thought comes to mind:
It is better to remain silent and thought a fool then to speak and remove all doubts!"

Sammy's lies, VRUCs' closed meetings, the lawyers bills,Lake polution, crumbling sewage system in disrepair, Speak for themselves.

Anonymous said...

The VRUC was formed to fix the sewer problems of HVL...

...instead...

...it turn itself into a realtor/developer benevolent society!

The DCRSD was formed to fix the sewer problems of High Ridge Estates...

...instead...

...it turn itself into a realtor/developer benevolent society!

The mutual attraction of both the VRUC and DCRSD becomes so much clearer!

Anonymous said...

VRUC and DCRSD are realtor/developer benevolent societies.
That's the statement that describes them "to a T".

Anonymous said...

We keep hearing how we need more and more development in this County.

That somehow it will profit us all.

But it always seems the costs of development must be paid for by everyone else in the County, except the realtor/developers!

Nice racket!!!

Anonymous said...

"...If these development interests want sewers to service their projects, why don't they get a loan and build a treatment plant on their own?"

The VRUC Gang did try to do this but with HVL residents' money. The HVL residents at that time (fall of 2005) DID NOT remain SILENT and DEFEATED the project. Would you believe - the VRUC Gang paid a lawyer over $500,000 to fight the residents and the residents were actually the ones paying his bill through their monthly fees?!!

The VRUC Gang wanted to service outside developments -- but Greendale who VRUC pays to transport their sewage and who VRUC pays to use their capacity (bought and built by Greendale) at SDRSD -- Greendale said NO to VRUC concerning taking on these outside entities, running it through HVL's failing sewer infrastructure, and eventually running it through Greendale facilities.

According to the POA Manager, the change in the finalized negotiated contract between Greendale and the VRUC that is being asked for by Mr. Bittner and the other 3 senior members is supposedly to have a clause in the contract giving VRUC 180-days (6 months) to cancel the contract if DCRSD becomes a viable entity!

Anonymous said...

"if DCRSD becomes a viable entity!"

So, at the last minute, the residents of HVL could still see their water and sewer bills increase by 600%?

Could you imagine if the these two criminal enterprises (VRUC and DCRSD) ever joined up what the level of corruption would be in this County?

Anonymous said...

The VRUC Gang paid a lawyer over $500,000 to fight the residents and the residents were actually the ones paying his bill through their monthly fees?!!

Prepare yourselves for another taxpayer funded lawyer (Frank Kramer of the DCRSD) assault!

The DCRSD and VRUC and their shysters are shameless!

They will attempt to hold us hostage with our own attorneys!

Anonymous said...

I hope the good residents of HVL have deep pockets when the likes of Fehrman, Maxwell, Dennerline and Hankins join the old guard of the VRUC and begin anew to rifle through all the residents' pockets!

Anonymous said...

For those who oppose incorporation, how will it feel to have the top crooks of Dearborn County government in charge of your sewer service?

Anonymous said...

If the DCRSD ever becomes a viable entity, then both HVL and the rest of us will have to get loans to pay for DCRSD sewer service!!!

Anonymous said...

The old guard of the VRUC are willing to "tax" HVL residents another 600% over what their sewer bills could be, to subsidize this County's realtors and developers!

Think about that!

Anonymous said...

Who in the world expects the DCRSD to fix the monumental infrastructure sewer problems of HVL, if they could not fix High Ridge Estates, whose troubles are infinitesimal in scale compared to HVL’s problems.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Who in the world expects the DCRSD to fix the monumental infrastructure sewer problems of HVL...


You see, that is the beauty of this proposed marriage between the VRUC and the DCRSD!

The DCRSD will permit, hell they will encourage, the VRUC to simply pay lip service concerning fixing HVL’s problems, while development takes place surrounding HVL, with even more substandard sewer infrastructure!

Making millions for our local realtor/developers!

Anonymous said...

The Foxes of the DCRSD are already salivating from the whiffs of CHICKEN CORDON BLEU coming from the VRUC Henhouse!!!

Anonymous said...

Now you POA Members who were at the POA meeting on Thursday, July 26, know the proposed contract that Mr. Sypnieuski sealed with a kiss and felt very good about signing. It undoubtedly included the 180-day clause. The contract he was touting was not the earlier finalized negotiated contract that he hypocritically reneged signing.

Anonymous said...

With the DCRSD angling to get control of Hidden Valley's sewers, don't be surprised if someone on the DCRSD Board is not already scheming to find a way to profit from all the tetnus shots residents are going to need to swim in the Lake!

Anonymous said...

Realtors and developers gave us the mess that is HVL and High Ridge Estates!

Now realtors and developers have taken over local sewer boards, to leave our children and our children's a bigger mess!

Stop the madness now!!!

Anonymous said...

The 180-day clause places the burden on Greendale to supply the water and sewer needs of HVL, while giving the VRUC Board breathing room as it convives with the DCRSD to find ways to screw the residents of HVL!

What a wonderful group of people we have on OUR Board!!!

Anonymous said...

What is funny about this whole deal, is that the VRUC Board thinks it has some superior and viable bargaining position.

Fools!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"The DCRSD will permit, hell they will encourage, the VRUC to simply pay lip service concerning fixing HVL’s problems, while development takes place surrounding HVL, with even more substandard sewer infrastructure!"

B-I-N-G-O!

Anonymous said...

Right now the VRUC is only a problem for the residents of HVL.

If the DCRSD gets its claws into the VRUC, all the home owners surrounding HVL will also be in for a world of hurt!

Anonymous said...

The SDRSD actually shows an interest in saving its utility customers money...

...not so of the DCRSD nor the VRUC!

The DCRSD and VRUC only have an interest in saddling existing homeowners with more and more debt to finance the local development industry!

Anonymous said...

Maybe if DCRSD takes over the VRUC, Ewbank and Kramer can suggest Dornette as a candidate for the VRUC Board Attorney?

Anonymous said...

When did VRUC OR DCRSD cost you any thing if you are in HVL you pay for a water and sewer.

Anonymous said...

If you combine the two (VRUC and DCRSD) it will cost us plenty!

And you know that!

Look what the VRUC has cost us and they have yet to fix our sewer infrastructure problem!

And you know that too!

We need fewer VRUC apologists and more interest shown in the residents and not the interests of a particular group of realtor and developers!

And we all know that!

Anonymous said...

What has Greendale and SDRSD cost VRUC a lot.

Anonymous said...

Greendale and the SDRSD have offered to take care of HVL's sewer and water needs at a reasonable, long term price.

What is the VRUC offering us with their proposed partnership with the non-entity, DCRSD?

A 600% increase over what Greendale is offering!

And that is just the beginning of what the realtor/developers on both of these boards have in store for the residents of HVL!

Anonymous said...

"...What has Greendale and SDRSD cost VRUC a lot."

What you seem unaware of is that VRUC charges you an amount over and above what Greendale charges you (about 3X the amount). What you pay VRUC is not what Greendale charges. Where do you think the VRUC was getting all the money to pay for their exorbitan lawyer costs?!? Right - from YOU! That's why they probably put "Thank You" at the bottom of your bill.

Anonymous said...

(about 3X the amount)

How much of our money has gone to repair our sewer lines and how much has been used to hire an attorney to sue every one in site, for the benefit of our local realtors and developers?

Anonymous said...

"...How much of our money has gone to repair our sewer lines and how much has been used to hire an attorney.."

Your initial thought is probably correct!

Anonymous said...

There is no way any one could defend the proposed marriage between the VRUC and DCRSD with out twisting their tongue and brain into a pretzel!

Anonymous said...

A warning for all homeowners surrounding HVL who are presently on working septic systems:

IF THE DCRSD TAKES OVER HVL'S SEWERS, THEY WILL BE AFTER YOU NEXT TO HOOK ON TO PRESSURIZED SEWER LINES AND GRINDER PUMPS, REGARDLESS OF THE COSTS TO YOU, TO FINANCE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR COMMUNITIES!!!

cc said...

Maybe instead of incorporating, HVL ought to consider annexing.

cc said...

Maybe instead of incorporating, HVL ought to consider annexing.

Anonymous said...

Here comes the boogy man again.

Anonymous said...

Here comes the boogy man again.

Boogy men are the product of a feeble imagination.

The crooks on the DCRSD's Board are real and they are very greedy and beyond unscrupulous!

Look at their record for regarding forced sewer hook ups!

The cannot run from their public record!

Anonymous said...

Brett and Vera and their boogey man nonsense again!

Has anyone every seen Vera and Sammy in the same room at the same time?

They seem to be each others' putrid doppelgangers!

Anonymous said...

"Here comes the boogy man again."

So tell us, does the DCRSD see forced hook-ups as a viable means to finance sewers or not?

Is it just one big lie that the DCRSD has told folks to "get loans" to pay for their "forced hook-ups?"

Well?

Anonymous said...

"Here comes the boogy man again."

Residents of Hidden Valley Lake, the above is what you have to look forward to if the DCRSD takes control of your sewers!

Classy bunch, this DCRSD, are they not?

Anonymous said...

If you believe that the VRUC has been dishonest in the past, it will be a full-fledged crime syndicate after they hook up with the DCRSD!!!

tjaw said...

Where did
A 600% increase over what Greendale is offering!
come from?

Anonymous said...

"Where did
A 600% increase over what Greendale is offering!
come from? "

see:

http://dearborncounty.blogspot.com/2007/07/24-july-2007-dearborn-county-council.html

This is the difference what SDRSD would charge the residents of St. Leon and what the DCRSD would charge.

It is hard to believe that the DCRSD could do HVL's any cheaper!

Anonymous said...

The only way the DCRSD could reduce costs would be to force surrounding homeowners onto its sewer lines, at extraordinary costs to these existing homeowners!

Anonymous said...

Greendale has the infrastructure already in place to take care of HVL's water and sewer needs in an economical fashion.

The DCRSD will just use HVL as a cash cow to further surrounding development!

Anonymous said...

Hell, it would be cheaper to have Dillsboro service HVL rather than the DCRSD!

Anonymous said...

Only because Dillsboro is still populated and run by decent folks such as Scott Fortner and the entire Smaltz family!

Anonymous said...

I'm sure there have been discussions by the power hungry DCRSD to "annex" Dillsboro's functional yet honest sewer board!

Anonymous said...

"The DCRSD will just use HVL as a cash cow to further surrounding development!"

EXACTLY!

Anonymous said...

Oh but beware I am sure that the "developers" already have a hand somewhere within the Dillsboro government or sewer boards.

Anonymous said...

Unlike on the DCRSD or the VRUC, Dillsboro has enough folks still in touch with their moral and ethical centers to not let the developers run amok at the citizen/taxpayer's expense!

Anonymous said...

If the VRUC is even discussing hooking up with the DCRSD, then it is certain they have no plans to fix HVL's sewer infrastructure problems nor are they interested in lowering HVL's utility costs!

This would be a deal made by realtor/developers and for realtor/developers at the expense of the residents of HVL!

Anonymous said...

The SDRSD views the residents of Hidden Valley Lake with an eye of saving them money and offering them long term peace of mind as to their sewer needs.

The DCRSD views the residents of Hidden Valley Lake with an eye towards using the residents money as a spring board to further development around Hidden Valley Lake. No matter the costs to the residents of Hidden Valley Lake!

tjaw said...

" Anonymous said...

If the VRUC is even discussing hooking up with the DCRSD, then it is certain they have no plans to fix HVL's sewer infrastructure problems nor are they interested in lowering HVL's utility costs!"

Not true. Fixing the infrastructure is entirely different than pumping sewage to a plant to process it before sending it to the river. They are searching for the lowest cost to dispose of the sewage. They even tried to buy their way into SDRSD but was voted down by Greendale who doesn't want to loose that $500,000.

Anonymous said...

So the VRUC thinks dealing with the development centered, non-entity DCRSD, at costs to the residents of HVL well above those that would be incurred with Greendale, is a smart move?

And why should the SDRSD want any part of the VRUC and their litigious bunch of characters?

The VRUC has proven that they only want HVL residents to finance and subsidize private realtor/developer interests, with no interest whatsoever of saving HVL residents a single dime!

And Sammy, it has already been explained to you that the benefits to Greendale with a contract for sewers for HVL, as long as you and yours have control of the board, would be marginal at best!

Even after we give you the best price out their for services, you will still find some reason to sue us because we are not furthering your respective realtor/developer careers!

Anonymous said...

"...you will still find some reason to sue us because we are not furthering your respective realtor/developer careers!"

The mentality of the VRUC Board in a nutshell!

Anonymous said...

The VRUC Board has forgotten the very reason the VRUC was formed.

Here is a hint:

It was not to advance the interests of the individual Board members.

Anonymous said...

”The VRUC Board has forgotten the very reason the VRUC was formed.

Here is a hint:

It was not to advance the interests of the individual Board members.”


As Sammy faints with her autographed picture of Jeff Bittner
clutched tightly to her bosom!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"...They even tried to buy their way into SDRSD but was voted down by Greendale who doesn't want to loose that $500,000."

Come on .. you know there is documentation stating that Greendale voted for VRUC joining SDRSD - maybe not at first, but eventually. VRUC walked away from the table when the manipulating high costing lawyer devised an innovative way to pay for your capacity build-on that was unacceptable to SDRSD entites - always trying to take advantage of the other person! - and then crying foul!

Concerning the now famous $500,000 that Greendale receives from VRUC yearly. In the Feb - Mar 2007 Echoes, the VRUC income statement states that VRUC paid Greendale for the total 2006 year - 384,494.75 for sewer treatment and 131,339.15 for water purchases. From that money, Greendale uses it for upkeep of lines and pumps, electricity, capacity build, and sewage treatment at SDRSD. Sure, Greendale makes some profit but a fraction of what you are falsely accusing.

Anonymous said...

"...always trying to take advantage of the other person! - and then crying foul!"

It is easy to see why this VRUC group would feel comfortable with the DCRSD.

Birds of a feather and all that.

Anonymous said...

The VRUC desires to partner with the DCRSD, an organization that owns nothing, has no treatment facilties nor sewer lines...why?

Why?

Because they share the one thing with the VRUC that both believe is paramount, a willingness to steal from existing property owners to finance and subsidize a hand-full of local realtors and developers!

Anonymous said...

Frank Kramer, you have a good heart, back away from the DCRSD.

Anonymous said...

Residents of HVL, even if the DCRSD is able to force all the surrounding property owners outside of HVL on to their sewer lines, you will still be paying more for your sewer and water than if you were to contract with Greendale.

And if you contract with Greendale, you will not be bankrupting the neighboring property owners of HVL!

Think about that!

tjaw said...

Anonymous said...
"Come on .. you know there is documentation stating that Greendale voted for VRUC joining SDRSD
.
.
Sure, Greendale makes some profit but a fraction of what you are falsely accusing."

Where can I see a copy of this documentation?
Okay, $515,833.90. Someone on an earlier post rounded off to $500,000, and as stated earlier, it is INCOME not PROFIT.

Anonymous said...

So tjaw, do you think partnering with the DCRSD will save HVL residents money?

An entity that is a name only?

Show the residents in real dollars any contract that will save us as much money as Greendale?

Please, quit your nonsensense!

We all know what you and Bittner are about!

Anonymous said...

Having attended the DCRSD Board meeting on Thursday evening, Aug 3, we are delighted to inform the residents of HVL that the DCRSD announced that they will no longer be involved with attempts to provide sewage service for HVL/VRUC. They stated they cannot provide sewage service to HVL/VRUC as economically as Greendale. Also, they do not provide water service.

Stan Beeler, VRUC Board member, also attended the meeting and was asked by the DCRSD if the VRUC Board signed the finalized contract with Greendale? Stan replied that due to the senior 4 members refusing to sign the contract, the contract was denied.

After last night’s meeting, we are encouraged that a secure economical thirty-year contract for sewage and water service can be accomplished in the near future with Greendale for the HVL/VRUC residents.

Sincerely, Mr. and Mrs.Thomas LaRosa

Anonymous said...

The only way the DCRSD could partner with the VRUC would be in suing the rest of the County for the right to use HVL dollars to expand development surrounding HVL at extraordinary cost to both the residents of HVL and the property owners outside the borders of HVL!

Anonymous said...

It has been over 48 hours since I was last on this web site and I see that Maria and here followers of 4 have kept themselves very busy by repeatedly sending the same comments over and over. Big bad Sammy and DCRSD. I really need to meet this Sammy person. This person must be somekind of a power player to have impressed Maria so much that she can't stop talking about her. At this point I have to say you go Sammy!!!

Maria, do me a favor....you, Doc J, Stan, Jack and Hedrick keep posting your repetitive comments on this web because by now, you are the only ones on it....well, except for the few of us who keep dropping these emails in just to stir the pot and keep you all going. I have to admit, you all have been very entertaining! But now you ignorance has become boring.

So, you just keep on blaming Sammy and before you know it the intelligent people (including Sammy) will have solved all of the problems for you.

You five are idiots.

Anonymous said...

Since the DCRSD have taken themselves out of the equation, there is no need for that 180 day provision clause to be in the contract whatsoever, right Mr. Sypnieuski?

Anonymous said...

So, you just keep on blaming Sammy and before you know it the intelligent people (including Sammy) will have solved all of the problems for you.

Being unable to find a player to help you steal from the residents of HVL to subsidize your respective developments, is quite the bitter pill to swallow, hey Sammy and friends?

Anonymous said...

What is next for Sammy and friends?

Will they sue Greendale for offering reasonable and fair water and sewer rates to the good people of HVL?

Anonymous said...

Would someone explain the apparent bitterness of some connected with the VRUC with a contract for services that saves the residents of HVL both money and peace of mind?

There is not one offer on the table anywhere near what Greendale can deliver on!

Could it be there are other, more personal underlying issues that may leave some on the board upset, that have nothing to do with the welfare the residents of HVL?

Are conflicting interests manifesting themselves on the board that are not in line with the best interests of HVL residents?

Anonymous said...

"So, you just keep on blaming Sammy and before you know it the intelligent people (including Sammy) will have solved all of the problems for you."

Uh oh!

I sense more of OUR money is going to be used to sue US because we would not become the silent and non-profit-sharing partner of Sammy and Company!

Anonymous said...

"It has been over 48 hours since I was last on this web site and I see that Maria and here followers..."

Speaking only for myself, I have never met Larosa or any of her "followers" that I know of.

But I can still smell a crook and the air is rich with crookedness down wind from the VRUC!

Anonymous said...

Good news finally for the residents of HVL!

Now maybe we can finally sign up with Greendale and the VRUC can finally focus on fixing the existing problems with our sewer infrastructure!

Maybe it is time also to settle up accounts with L. Parvin Price and move on from his brand of legal representation!

Anonymous said...

"Maybe it is time also to settle up accounts with L. Parvin Price and move on from his brand of legal representation! "


If we could get one of the senior board to understand and do his elected job instead of depending on the lawyers, the money drain and healing would begin. At the next VRUC meeting, with all the VRUC options in the open, I'd like the senior board members to explain why they are voting for or against the Greendale contract. The August board meeting should be enlightening.

cc said...

The answer to this dilemma will become abundantly clear to everyone soon. Dearborn County has an entity (SDRSD) that has learned the ropes of running a sewer plant and what it takes to do so. DCRSD by contrast is trying to take a short- cut to become the lead dog.
DCRSD is patching things together instead of building a strong foundation. The patch job is clearly limiting their credence as big players.
County Council is on to the game- they are parcelling out the money ONLY for DCRSD to finish what their original prupose was- fix High Ridge Estates. DCRSD is not bidding out those services. Let's hope they don't waste the $116,000 for that engineering.

Anonymous said...

The SDRSD also seems to have an understanding of the fundamental unfairness of forcing existing homeowners, on working septic systems, onto sewer lines at costs greatly disproportionate to any benefits that would be received by these existing homeowners. In fact, costs they never will be able to recoup if they should try to sell their homes.

To date, all the rhetoric coming out of the DCRSD consists only of how they can set up the legal machinery of forcing sewer hook ups!

Forced hook ups are their only “plan” for financing their sewer utility.

Anonymous said...

The amount of money the DCRSD expects folks to spend just to hook up to their sewer lines, could buy a couple of sewer plants!

I would like to see the total amount of dollars it will cost for the excavation, electric service and grinder pumps of all those whom the DCRSD would force onto their sewers?

I personally know of some people on 50 that it will cost over $20,000.00 just to hook up to these sewers, this is before the first sewer bill even arrives!

Anonymous said...

Be thankful, that but a pittance of DCRSD's funding, has all but dried up.

They could only put so much lipstick on that pig!

But because of the moral and ethical makeup of some on the DCRSD board, we can't rule out that they will start suing every warm body in sight to get the right to force their sewers on the rest of us!

Anonymous said...

”I would like to see the total amount of dollars it will cost for the excavation, electric service and grinder pumps of all those whom the DCRSD would force onto their sewers?


I would think that total amount of dollars would shock the consciences of all the honest and hardworking citizens of this County!!!

tjaw said...

Anonymous said...
" So tjaw, do you think partnering with the DCRSD will save HVL residents money?"

Not from the comments posted here.
I just asked "Where can I see a copy of this documentation?"
I don't trust politicians and it looks like some of the postings on this site are from politicians.

Anonymous said...

"I just asked "Where can I see a copy of this documentation?"

May I recommend your getting in touch with the SDRSD.

I'm sure they could lead you in the right direction.

Good luck.

Anonymous said...

....Anonymous said...
"Come on .. you know there is documentation stating that Greendale voted for VRUC joining SDRSD
.
...tjaw said...

"Where can I see a copy of this documentation?"

Answer to tjaw's question -

On November 5, 2003, the SDRSD passed Resolution No. 1-2003 allowing VRUC to join the SDRSD.

The minutes from the SDRSD November 5, 2003 meeting lists all entities - Aurora, Lawrenceburg, Pernod, and Greendale. Beside each individual name their respective vote is typed - each entity voted - YES!

Anonymous said...

There just does not seem to be any "lowest" limit the VRUC apoligists are not willing to sink to, in order to foster their individual profit oriented goals.

Sammy and friends, I am looking right at you!

Anonymous said...

Does the SDRSD rely as heavily on pressurized sewer lines and grinder pumps as would the DCRSD?

It would seem that the DCRSD is willing to place entire communities on these problematic types of sewer systems.

Anonymous said...

The DCRSD is willing to burden the rest of with these "sewers on the cheap," in order to service the proposed developments and tralier park of its Board Members.

Leaving any and all problems that will arise in the future to the taxpayers.

Anonymous said...

”County Council is on to the game- they are parcelling out the money ONLY for DCRSD to finish what their original prupose was- fix High Ridge Estates.”

And once the DCRSD was formed Board Member Brett Fehrman wasted no time in redirecting the Board’s focused to his projects and the forced sewer hook-ups to subsidize them!

Brett went so far as to fabricating stories of how his subdivisions would somehow pay for the new jail!

With Brett, it was hard telling if he was lying or that his prospects for profits were simply leaving him delusional!

Anonymous said...

"Does the SDRSD rely as heavily on pressurized sewer lines and grinder pumps as would the DCRSD?"

What happens if, like last year, an ice storm leaves our family without electricity for days? These pressurizes systems require electricity, do they not?

Can we still use our existing septic systems or will we be completely without the use of our plumbing facilities during an electrical outage?

Anonymous said...

From what I understand, to keep up the "fiction" that these forced sewers are for the public health and not to subsidize local realtors and developers, you will have to cap your septic tank.

So, unless you have a back-up generator, no you cannot flush your toliets past whatever capacity is left in your grinder pump "crock" reservoir. Which is usually around 200 gallons, depending on the level in the "crock" when you lost power.

Anonymous said...

Yep! Our local bought and paid for politicians will forbid you the use of your working septic system and will leave you with nothing but a "crock of crap" if you should lose power!!!

And those bought and paid for politicans refuse to address the possible "health" consequences to the environment and for citizens if whole regions lose power and they are on these grinder pump systems!!!

Anonymous said...

So, what is next?

Will the future bring us to a point where our local County Health Department will mandate that we all will have to purchase and maintain generators?

This whole idea of replacing working septic systems with "grinder pumps" just does not seem to make sense!

Why would these sewer boards want to leave us so exposed to possible problems?

Anonymous said...

Doug Baer should step and say enough is enough!

But being a typical bureaucrat he sees the “sewers” as an opportunity to broaden his power base!

Anonymous said...

The DCRSD's BS seems just to produce more BS.

Surely, that is worse for the environment than my functioning septic system!

Anonymous said...

"Why would these sewer boards want to leave us so exposed to possible problems? "

It is better that the many may suffer before the few not profit!

Anonymous said...

Most situations where septic fields have caused any measurable impact to ground water qualities have been where developers have been given free reign to over-build residential areas where sewer was not available.

Dearborn County’s septic systems, by in large, have been built on larger parcels of land, under the watchful eye of our local health departments. Where not only are there proper measures taken to assure large enough drainage fields, but also secondary sites available on the property if the first septic field should begin to fail.

A septic system, when it does fail, is a slow process of failure, allowing the homeowner ample time to fix it before his drains are backing up with raw sewage.

When a grinder pump and pressurized sewer line fails, the situation is almost immediately dire.

Raw sewage backs up through low level drains, representing an immediate health risk and requiring costly clean up.

Also, if the backup is caused by a bad pump, the homeowner is on the hook for thousands of additional dollars for a new pump and all the related costs of having a plumber replace it.

Any review of the materials in the septic vs. sewer debate, has shown at best an even trade-off between the two, in moderate to densely developed areas, which Dearborn County is neither.

Further, almost all the data involved on the sewer side of the debate concerns itself with homeowners on fairly maintenance free gravity types of sewer systems.

Not grinder pumps and pressurized sewer systems.

Such systems require more immediate maintenance and careful attention by all members of the household to keep them running effectively.

Something as simple as a child allowing dental floss to go down the drain can shut down a grinder pump.

Remember this when realtor/developer controlled sewer boards try to sell the "benefits" of grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines, it is more than evident that each and every home on such a grinder pump system has the potential for immediate and severe health consequences and expensive repairs for the homeowners!

Anonymous said...

Like home fire drills, now we must drill all our children not to run water or flush the commodes during electrical outages.

Remember, not only do the pumps not work but any alarm system to warn of grinder pump failure also needs electricity to work.

Shall we place signs above every sink and toliet to remind our family members?

Anonymous said...

"Shall we place signs above every sink and toliet to remind our family members?"

Yes, along with all the names of those who forced this type of system on the citizens of this County!

Anonymous said...

How refreshing it would be if our local realtor/developers would get together with other local realtor/developers to devise ways of providing sewers to their respective projects without extorting money from those of us who are not realtor/developers!

Anonymous said...

These so-called "crocks" also need to be cleaned out occasionally to remove the sediment that will naturally occur in this type of system.

Yet another responsibility of and cost to the homeowner.

All this additional responsibilty and cost to be shouldered by the citizen/taxpayer, in order for a few, politically connected, developers to profit and prosper!!!

Anonymous said...

If ground water contamination is used as an argument for the need for sewers, would someone please tell me how one home situated on 20 acres with a working septic system will produce more hazardous run-off than 80 houses (4 home per acre subdivison)on that same 20 acres?

Anonymous said...

"How refreshing it would be if our local realtor/developers would get together with other local realtor/developers to devise ways of providing sewers to their respective projects without extorting money from those of us who are not realtor/developers!"

YOU DREAMER YOU!!!

carp said...

I'm not a resident of HV but, since this is a public forum, I wonder why so few of HV residents seem to know or care what is going on with the VRUC. I've ask a few an they have know idea. Whether they are right or wrong it seems Maria an her friends have done a good thing by raising awareness of what is going on in the community.

Anonymous said...

it seems Maria an her friends have done a good thing by raising awareness of what is going on in the community.

Awareness is the enemy of the "no-good!"

Anonymous said...

And Carp, beware of any "Wheaties" balls dangled in front of you by members of the DCRSD!

Anonymous said...

Soon, only carp will be able to inhabit Hidden Valley Lake if the VRUC has its way!

tjaw said...

" carp said...
I'm not a resident of HV but, since this is a public forum, I wonder why so few of HV residents seem to know or care what is going on with the VRUC."

The HVL POA (Properity Owners Association) publishes a monthly news letter 'ECHOES' with reports from both the POA board and the VRUC board.
But as with so many people, many HVL residents don't read the news or get involved with the community. If someone says "so and so" is a crook out to screw the residents, they will believe it and vote for some other idiot with out knowing the facts.
Just look at how many people believe the lies about the senior members of the VRUC board published on this blog just because they don't like Sammy G.
And before you have a cow, I am not Sammy.

tjaw said...

A word of advice to those who are connected to pressurized sewer lines or are down hill from the sewer line.

Most home owners insurance policies do not cover damages to sewers backing up into your home even if you are insured for flood damage.

Be sure to check with your insurance agent if you have to connect to a pressurized sewer line.

Anonymous said...

just because they don't like Sammy G.

It is not about any particular Sammy...

...it is about what some "Sammys" wish to do to foster their respective incomes.

Anonymous said...

Be sure to check with your insurance agent if you have to connect to a pressurized sewer line.


Be sure to vote out any politician if they require you to connect to a pressurized sewer line to subsidize their political handlers.

Anonymous said...

"Just look at how many people believe the lies about the senior members of the VRUC..."

What is the lie concerning voting for the Greendale contract?

Has the VRUC offered up any thing even close to the Greendale deal?

The VRUC and those behind it, want HVL to finance development outside HVL.

Clear and simple!!!

Anonymous said...

"And before you have a cow, I am not Sammy."

So you will not be leading Jeff Bittner into financial ruin!

Good for you!!!

tjaw said...

" Anonymous said...

"Just look at how many people believe the lies about the senior members of the VRUC..."

What is the lie concerning voting for the Greendale contract?
Have you read the contract?
Has the VRUC offered up any thing even close to the Greendale deal? From a previous post on this blog, YES. It is now back to Greendale.

The VRUC and those behind it, want HVL to finance development outside HVL. Another lie by a politician pushing his/her agenda.

Clear and simple!!!"

Anonymous said...

And what is the counter offer?

Last we heard, it concerns the viabilty of the DCRSD, who has already said they cannot come close to the Greendale offer.

Hope against hope that the development friendly DCRSD, who would be more than happy to stick it the residents of HVL to subsidize SAMMY and FRIENDS, is not a counter offer!

Anonymous said...

What does the VRUC have to offer to counter Greendale's offer?

A very simple question.

Anonymous said...

The VRUC should be about the best deal to the residents of HVL.

Not the best deal to a handfull of realtors and developers.

Anonymous said...

The movers and the shakers behind the VRUC expect a "TRIBUTE" not unlike what Don Corleone would expect from his enterprises!

Anonymous said...

As Sammy scratches her head and exclaims:

"I THOUGHT HIS NAME WAS VITO CORLEONE?"

Anonymous said...

As Vera Benning interjects:

"DURING MY VICHY DAYS, AT LEAST VITO CORLEONE MADE THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME!"

Anonymous said...

Sammy snidely retorts:

"THAT WAS BIGONSAMO MUSCLEMANNIA!"

Anonymous said...

HVL residents wish to have the best, most cost effective plan to service their communtiy with water and sewer, not to become partners with some "pie in the sky" development plan of the VRUC Board members!

Anonymous said...

What is the counter proposal VRUC has presented Greendale:

"Allow developers to lie about sewer capacity for proposed developments to the Planning Commission?"

Anonymous said...

... "Allow developers to lie about sewer capacity for proposed developments to the Planning Commission?" ...

You mean when Chairman, Mark Mitter, at a Dearborn County Plan Commission Meeting threatened to report a high-ranked VRUC employee to the Indidana Attorney General for fraud for knowingly submitting an incomplete document indicating VRUC could supply sewage service and capacity for the planned Red Pines development (VRUC CTA area behind the HVL swimming pool) which was being sold by a realty agent/VRUC board member?

Anonymous said...

"You mean when Chairman, Mark Mitter, at a Dearborn County Plan Commission Meeting threatened to report a high-ranked VRUC employee to the Indidana Attorney General for fraud for knowingly submitting an incomplete document indicating VRUC could supply sewage service and capacity for the planned Red Pines development (VRUC CTA area behind the HVL swimming pool) which was being sold by a realty agent/VRUC board member?"

Hey I remember that! Whatever happened did they just drop it?

Anonymous said...

"Hey I remember that! Whatever happened did they just drop it?"

The Plan Commission wanted to go after the VRUC official for purjury; but, some of the "connected" plan Commission members wimped out or peotected their own!! Even the PC Attorney wanted to file charges!

Anonymous said...

What the citizens of Dearborn County need to remember is that DCRSD has stated it is inevitable that the entire county will be sewered. The goal of DCRSD is to take over not only VRUC and LMH; but, SDRSD, St. Leon, Dillsboro and Manchester. They have alienated the other Boards, because of their blatant attempt to bull their way into power. And as Fehrman said (see DCRSD meeting notes on this blog) "We haven't turned away a subdivision yet".

Their first action was to provide a letter of service for "Fehrman's" subdivision even before they solved the problems they were allegedly formed to solve.

Even now DCRSD is designing a system that has been set from the start to force all the residents along that part of US 50 onto the system, so that Gabbard Estates can get the sewer service they need to develop.

It seems now that Dennerline got his, he is now helping Fehrman get his, both at the expense of the citizens of the county.

As they gain more control, they will force more citizens onto their system to pay for it to be installed, ready and waiting for the developers to come along and profit!

Anonymous said...

"Their first action was to provide a letter of service for "Fehrman's" subdivision even before they solved the problems they were allegedly formed to solve."

And now that the High Ridge Estates' problem is slowing down the Board's personal agenda to feather their own beds, Dennerline has gone as far as suggesting the taxpayer just "buy out" High Ridge!

Mind you, this was the only reason the DCRSD was formed, was to "fix" High Ridge Estates!

Remember Vera Benning's "empty" promises?

And where is Benning now since she lost her reelection attempt?

Working for the very Board that now suggests the taxpayer just "buy-out" High Ridge Estates!

Oh, the corrupt never seem to sleep!!!

Anonymous said...

Earlier someone wrote the following and I think it would be wise to provide this to all residents before being coerced onto pressurized sewer lines and grinder pumps and also to all the local "politicians" who may have a hand in the "forced" hook-ups!



Most situations where septic fields have caused any measurable impact to ground water qualities have been where developers have been given free reign to over-build residential areas where sewer was not available.

Dearborn County’s septic systems, by in large, have been built on larger parcels of land, under the watchful eye of our local health departments. Where not only are there proper measures taken to assure large enough drainage fields, but also secondary sites available on the property if the first septic field should begin to fail.

A septic system, when it does fail, is a slow process of failure, allowing the homeowner ample time to fix it before his drains are backing up with raw sewage.

When a grinder pump and pressurized sewer line fails, the situation is almost immediately dire.

Raw sewage backs up through low level drains, representing an immediate health risk and requiring costly clean up.

Also, if the backup is caused by a bad pump, the homeowner is on the hook for thousands of additional dollars for a new pump and all the related costs of having a plumber replace it.

Any review of the materials in the septic vs. sewer debate, has shown at best an even trade-off between the two, in moderate to densely developed areas, which Dearborn County is neither.

Further, almost all the data involved on the sewer side of the debate concerns itself with homeowners on fairly maintenance free gravity types of sewer systems.

Not grinder pumps and pressurized sewer systems.

Such systems require more immediate maintenance and careful attention by all members of the household to keep them running effectively.

Something as simple as a child allowing dental floss to go down the drain can shut down a grinder pump.

Remember this when realtor/developer controlled sewer boards try to sell the "benefits" of grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines, it is more than evident that each and every home on such a grinder pump system has the potential for immediate and severe health consequences and expensive repairs for the homeowners!

Anonymous said...

If our local realtor/developers desire densely populated subdivisions to bolster their profits, let them pay to sewer their respective subdivisions, instead of making the rest of us pay under the "guise" of public health!

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