SEWER ISSUES Excerpt from Minutes of December 18, 2007 Dearborn County Commissioners Meeting
This is essentially a transcript of the “tape” of the meeting. Commissioners have not yet approved these minutes. No corrections have been made to any spelling etc in this transcript. Some areas are highlighted for those wishing a “quick read.”
Meeting Date: December 18, 2007
The Dearborn County Board of Commissioners met In the Admin. Bldg., 215•B West High Street, 3rd Floor - Commissioners Room. Lawrenceburg, IN on December 18, 2007 starting at 6:33 pm. Present Jeff Hughes, President, Rick Fox and Ralph Thompson, Commissioners, Bryan Messmore, Administrator, Robert Ewbank, County Attorney and Cary Pickens, Auditor.
Jeff Hughes, President opened the meeting with the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.
7:18:20 pm - Tom Hammond, citizen spoke about the following subjects .
St. Leon sewer
Commissioners letter to DCRSD from the Apr. 17, 2007 meeting
Mr. Hammond explained he represented a coalition of families in the county called CASE. (Citizens Against Sewer Enforcement.) They are a community group willing to dedicate their time & energy necessary to defeat the imposition of forced sewer connections in Dearborn County.
Tom Hammond wanted to talk about the letter from the Commissioners to the sewer district from the April 17th, 2007 meeting.
Bob Ewbank, Co. Atty. stated that the first thing Mr. Hammond would have to fight on the issue was the municipal law - not county law. In terms of the two statutes there, it is where the city runs out a municipal sewer on 300 feet of the property line that also had a jurisdictional limit of ten mile. This was not an issue for the County; it would be an issue for the State legislature if Mr. Hammond wanted it changed.
(At this time, Tom Hammond asked Mr. Ewbank if he could stop him there because he wanted to say something & Mr. Ewbank told him - "No, let me finish. Then Tom Hammond said, "Excuse me, but you stopped me. Rick Fox, Commissioner exp1ained that Bob Ewbank wanted to give the legal side of the issue. Tom Hammond replied that he wanted to stop him before he went any further.)
Tom Hammond said that they were not present discussing that municipal law nor the county law.
Bob Ewbank stated it was prefatory information and if Mr. Hammond would listen - maybe he wou1d get his answer.
Mr. Ewbank said that #2 -the regional district also had a provision for a 300 ft. property line tap in. Along with that it had a unique provision for septic tank soil absorption where there was actually an exemption if they had a new system and a unique provision to spread the expenses over 20 years. Lastly, there is a the county ordinance. It has effectively been repealed by the creation of the regional sewer district. If the regional sewer district had a sewer system out where he lived, he would fall under the provinces of that law. Right now he was Mr. Ewbank explained that right now he was falling under the provinces of municipal law.
Tom Hammond said he appreciated Mr. Ewbank's effort but it did not answer his question. He explained the reason he was speaking before the Board of Commissioners was that the Commissioners made a statement unanimously on Apr. 17, 2007 that they were not in favor of any forced sewer hookups. Tom wondered where the letter was that officially made the statement of how the County Commissioners saw the Issue. The growth in the county has stopped & he thought that it was just one reason for the stoppage because the county had not made the letter official.
Bob Ewbank asked Mr. Hammond if he wanted to change the law.
Tom Hammond answered, no he wanted Mr. Ewbank to take the paper & simply sign it.
Mr. Ewbank could not see what good it would do because, they did not have jurisdiction.
Tom Hammond said it was mentioned at a commission before that a precedent would be set with the issue & he wanted to make sure that the precedent gets set. The statement from the Citizens Against Sewer Enforcement read that they didn't endorse sewer hookups.
Mr. Ewbank stressed that the County Commissioners did not have the jurisdiction to speak about that issue; the Commissioners did not have that power. If he wanted to deal with that issue, he would have to deal with the State legislature.
Tom Hammond asked about the citizens who lived in the county that were under the threat of the sewer hookups. Weren't they entitled to a statement?
(Tom Hammond told Mr. Ewbank he was not talking to him; he was talking to the Commissioners.)
Mr. Ewbank told Mr. Hammond for the second time that he was asking the Commissioners to do something that they did not have the jurisdiction to do.
Mr. Hammond told the Commissioners that the people would like to see them make a statement of what they stood for and what they represent.
Rick Fox said that Tom Hammond was making it sound like the County Commissioners could fix the issue for him. Mr, Ewbank is talking from the legal side of the issue.
Mr. Hammond said that the board was leaning on Mr. Ewbank & his law firm and he supercedes them.
RickFox added that Mr. Ewbank was there to tell the board what they should know or what they don't .
Tom Hammond said this was not a court of law. He was simply asking for their endorsement.
Mr. Ewbank emphasized that he was asking for a legal opinion that was outside his jurisdiction.
Tom Hammond said he came to simply asked the Commissioners about the letter and
Mr. Ewbank (the Co. Atty) juggernauted into the legal issues.
Mr. Ewbank stated that they do not juggernaut into legal issues. They are a government of laws. The County Commissioners cannot change it. Mr. Ewbank commented that if the Commissioners could change it, they would probab1y change it.
Tom Hammond said since it was a public hearing maybe it was time for the Commissioners to come forward with their position on the issue.
Mr. Ewbank explained that the Board of Commissioners could give their individual opinions but collectively as Commissioners they cannot change the State law.
Rick Fox thought they had given their individual opinions and he did not believe in forced hookups.
Jeff Hughes, President said he liked the county ordinance whereas the people did not have to hook on if they had a functioning system. President Hughes added that he could not change State law.
Rick Fox stressed that there were minutes of all the public meetings for the record.
Mr. Ewbank reiterated for the third time that Tom Hammond was asking for a legal opinion from the Commissioners as a body for something that is outside their realm. There is no problem with the Commissioners giving their individual opinions on the issue. The law they are dealing with is a state law and if Mr. Hammond wants that law changed he must go to the State legislature & get it changed. Mr. Ewbank said the first thing he would change would be the 300 foot requirement.
Tom Hammond said they were working as a group & 2008 would mark their third year on their resistance. The resistance was creating a lot of the non growth.
Mr. Ewbank did not think that anyone disagreed with Mr. Hammond's position. The problem was he had a State law that was a municipal one - not a county one. The Board of Commissioners cannot change the State law.
Tom Hammond said simply that their problem would become the county's problem.
It has been three years their group has been together & three years that St. Leon had not received from 118 Individuals ($4,000 hookup) they could have had in their coffers. They could have had three years of user fees. With issues like that &. the county is saying they cannot do something & their group is still together, they will then get regional coverage, television and newspapers.
Rick Fox adamantly said that the board could not fix his problem.
Bob Ewbank gave an example of how the problem could be fixed. He mentioned the High Ridge Estates. The former Board of Commissioners & the Commissioners serving today are still in support of rescuing the subdivision called High Ridge. The people living there were threatened into leaving their homes because of the sewers. The County Sewer District was formed; they called it string-beans geographically. Mr. Ewbank stated he thought the sewer district needed to be extended because of health problems - where the septic systems there do not work. For those individuals that would fall under the statutes of the county ordinance they would get relief for the very same that Tom Hammond is requesting. The down side is the State legislature has passed a law that if they extend their sewer work where they are allowed to go out ten miles & have forced hookups. The State gave the county the power to do the sewer district to fray the expenses & to go to a procedure. Mr. Ewbank stated again that the Commissioners were not against Mr. Hammond nor was the County Attorney. The County Atty. even sympathized with his situation but he in turn was asking the board to do something that they have no control over. If there was a county sewer district where Mr. Hammond lives he would full under the provinces of the county ordinance; he would not fall under St Leon's ordinance.
Mr. Ewbank understood his other issue too. Since Mr. Hammond did not live in St. Leon why should he have to fall under their guidance? However,the State legislature created the law that wanted to extend their ordinances to have an economy of scale to have the people to tap into.
Mr. Hammond said the eyes of the world will come down on the county.
Bob Ewbank said that each of them will come to his court hearing & testify that they think it is a bad law and then they will say to him that the problem is that it is a law that legislates the change - not the Commissioners. He further explained that the judge will not sit and listen to the non relevant evidence; he will listen to the material evidence & focus on the issue, The issue being: Should those people who are within a 10 mile radius of that municipality have to force intothe system.
Tom Hammond brought up House Bill 1671. Their group has been working the ordinance issue and the law issue. As everyone knows, that many laws until they are challenged the people don't know whether they are good laws or not. House Bill 1671 is in the legislature & states that regional water, sewage and solid wastes districts prohibits regional sewage districts from requiring the owner of a property to connect to the district sewage system if the property is already connected to a sewer system approved by the state.
Mr. Ewbank suggested the following to Mr. Hammond:
Since he lived 10 miles within St. Leon, he needed to get that law changed on the 10 mile limitation.
Forced hookups - If Mr. Ewbank was in charge, he would not require the forced hookups. He thought it was a bad law.
The bottom line on the legal issue was - where was that letter.
Lastly, Mr. Ewbank said he was the attorney for the county that expressed the opinion on good legal grounds that the Dearborn County Commissioners can do nothing about that law. If Mr. Hammond wanted the County Commissioners to testify, they would testify. If he wanted the Commissioners individual opinions against forced hookups. the Commissioners are against forced hookups.
Jeff Hughes, President said when the regional sewer district was formed the Commissioners did not have the authority but the Commissioners did give the authority about everything that wasn't already under new municipal jurisdiction. If they want to increase the ten mile capacity from St. Leon, they have already been awarded that certain area. The regional district would have to work with that situation.
Conflict of Interest - Mr. Hammond stated his second issue was a conflict of interest issue surrounding the County Regional Sewer District. A big developer sits on the, sewer board and when he was appointed ....
Mr. Ewbank said that he was attacking the developer's character. If the Commissioners didn't want the developer on the sewer district. they can remove him.
Mr. Hammond attended a county council meeting recently & the developer was lobbying for expansion money and the developer has a business that would be a direct recipient of where the infrastructure went. It seemed like a conflict.
Jeff Hughes explained thet he would listen to his comments but the meetings should stay in the boundaries where business is conducted
Mr. Hammond said the board had the power that they could at least look into - what about the power of an individual sitting on the regional sewer district and he is not hooked up to sewers .
Mr. Ewbank stressed to Mr. Hammond that if he felt that a developer had done something wrong and engaged in some moral turpitude, then he must go to the Prosecutor. The county attorney did not think he had any grounds to go to the Prosecutor. In fact, he thought that Mr. Hammond was slandering the developer which was unfair. Mr. Ewbank added that Mr. Hammond had gone way beyond coming before the Commissioners to speak. If he came to the meeting to complain, then he should complain. But he should not go about attacking things that had nothing to do with the issue he presented.
Tom Hammond said he was complaining & asking the Commissioners to take notice. (He did net think he was slanderous.)
Mr. Ewbank asked Mr. Hammond to state specifically what the developer's moral turpitude was. What did the developer do that would be criminal in nature where it was a conflict of interest.
Mr. Hammond stated that the developer asked for County Council to present a favorable letter for 2.3 million dollars for the expansion of the St. Leon Sewer District.
Mr. Ewbank said that may have been the case but that was not moral turpitude. The developer was benefiting a lot of citizens up in that area with the people in the High Ridge Estates that needed sewers.
Mr. Hammond said that was the next conflict because the developer sits on the sewer board and the developer wasn't connected. In other areas of the county if someone wanted to get on the Advisory Board, they won't be able to because they aren't connected.
Mr. Ewbank said again Mr. Hammond was just - politicking. He was attacking an individual citizen.
Tom Hammond said he was saying the exact same thing that other citizens that have appeared before the board when they asked for the board's help.
Mr. Ewbank stated he did not. like the way Mr. Hammond was slandering people.
Mr. Hammond replied that he was not slandering anybody.
(At this time, Jeff Hughes told everyone to settle down and called the meeting back to order.)
Jeff Hughes, President said that Tom Hammond had a couple of questions.
1. The first was addressed because he was asking about the letter and the Co. Atty. told him that the board could give their individual opinions or go to court. All of the members on the Board of Commissioners have stated they do not agree with the forced sewer hookups. If the citizen has a functioning system that was not causing a health issue, then Mr. Hughes was in agreement.
2. Why did the municipalities have the right to go outside their incorporation? Mr, Hughes could not tell him why the State allowed that because he was not a State legislator. Did he think it was right? The Dearborn County Regional Sewer District now works with those (in other words anything they are not certified to have by the state then they have to go thru the county because of the regional county sewer district).
President Hughes did think that the High Ridge Estates was a problem.
Tom Hammond explained that one of the reasons he came before the board was to say that something just did not pass the smell test.
Conflict or Interest: Tom wanted to know why in one sewer district could people sit on a sewer board & be appointed & not be connected to the sewer board. Yet ten miles away when it might be convenient for a citizens to help solve some of their problems & some of the issues- that individual cannot sit on that sewer board. This is no only the same state but it is the same county, There is a conflict.
Mr. Hammond stressed they were no going away because they cannot go away. They have got a hook inside of them that is called a legal lawsuit; they cannot get away from it The only other thing their group could do is set there & take it or become a coalition of concerned citizens & bring attention the issue. It soils the reputation of Dearborn County & any companies wanting to come in &. settle here.
(At this time, Tom Hammond told Mr. Ewbank to keep in mind that there was freedom of speech.
Mr Bob Ewbank gave Tom Hammond a warning to be careful on what he said because anything he said could be held against him.)
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11:38 - Right! Without the religious stuff.
11:40 - your functinal septic systems are not keeping "somebody" from running sewer lines past your homes to "somebody's" newly purchased properties. Said earlier, I am not a part of that.
Close your shades tonight friends, someone is looking in your windows around the 3:00 AM.
Do not panic.
Let them get their rocks off.
Before your dogs tear them to pieces.
11:41 - do you even want help or are you just happy because you have somewhere to make your voice heard?
11:40 - your functinal septic systems are not keeping "somebody" from running sewer lines past your homes to "somebody's" newly purchased properties. Said earlier, I am not a part of that.
Well, good for you.
Then we, as well as Thom Hammond, have no issue with you.
May God bless you...go to bed in peace...child.
Thanks momma. Why did you invoke the TH?
11:41 - do you even want help or are you just happy because you have somewhere to make your voice heard?
Are you crying out for help, little one?
I have some phone numbers of local clergy that may be able to offer you some comfort in your time of need.
"Thanks momma. Why did you invoke the TH?"
Check you tag-team partner earlier in the thread.
One of you brought up Hammond, not us.
So...who ya voting for in the primaries?
Not me, I know nothing about him. This blog post made him look more of a bully than the CM blog post.
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed just how much the development bullies have misread our possible disenchantment with their impending theft of our savings?
Words like "possible" and "impending" imply that nothing has happened.
Ad hominem!
Yeah, that Thom Hammond is such a bully!
That must be why Maxwell turned John Watson on him, to show that bully, Thom Hammond, that he cannot pick on poor little John Maxwell and his fellow development victims!!!
Go away, please!!!
You are leaving us all with the need for a shower!!!
And if our power went out, how would we shower, if we were on Maxwell and his fellow victims' grinder pumps?
Words like "possible" and "impending" imply that nothing has happened.
Until Hammond might lose his suit.
Then we all know what is no longer just possible or impending, right, princess?
What the dcrsd has planned may be possible and impending also...
...but they are working hard to make it real and threatening.
So, what you suggest we do?
Just sit back, and crayon in our Johnny Nugent coloring book?
Listen, we all know you want to profit off ours and our neighbors's backs. You can't hide it. You can disguise it away with smart-assed snide comments. Maybe you should look with in yourself and think about what you are trying to do. Human to human, what you are trying to do is wrong and you know it is.
Well said.
Good night.
Good morning everyone.
High Ridge is still dumping raw sewage into Hogan's Creek and our dishonest developers are still trying tp force you to subsidize their sewers.
Don't forget to vote their lackeys out of office.
Have a great day.
Is Maxwell still fighting the good fight againts sewer scammers up in St. Leon? His is a hero. Don't bend to the crooks John. No one forces John Maxwell onto sewers that he does not need nor want.
The folks surrounding St. Leon don't have vote to fight these sewer scammers.
Our crooked republican party tried to cancel out our votes last commissioners' election.
What a lovely bunch of development thugs we have in this county!
Notice. Our sewer "pushers" have an awful time getting funding from politicians who are subject to being voted out of office. Democracy can be a painful experience for those who wish to RULE over the rest of us.
Democracy certainly ellicts temper tantrums at County Council meetings when our sewer scammers aren't bestowed with more of OUR money.
That is for sure!
Step back and look at the larger picture.
How did the subprime mortgage issue get to the point we are in this housing mortgage mess?
LOBBYISTS- interest who encouraged the laws to loosen restrictions on lending practices.
When one group or one special interest gets too much power- and no discussion- the efects can be long- lasting and widespread.
In fact- so widespread that they are hurting the very interests that spawned the loose restrictions. Except the people who made money of that in the beginning are probably dead or retired.
The same is true of the favorite topic on this comment section of the blog- sewers. What we are spawning will have far reaching effects- the next generation will NOT thank us for the cheap infrastructure we are leaving them to repair and replace.
THINK PEOPLE!!!!!
The more the public is informed relative to this "sewers equals growth" nonsense, the more they are against it, especially when they find out such "growth" requires them to get loans upward of $30,000.00 to hook up to these sewers. Then to pay sewer fees with no indication of the top dollar amount they may be forced to pay because a few politically connected developers will keep placing the system at over capacity.
Short term greed is a long term killer for the taxpayer.
As these sewer felons buy up farms further out in the country, think how expensive it will be for many of us with lots of frontage beteen our homes and the road, not counting all the hills and valleys in between. We will need a grinder pump for each and every valley. And this is a good idea, why?
And this is a good idea, why?
The County Attorney when reached for comment while at lunch with Mr. Maxwell, responded:
ARGUMENTATIVE
SLANDER
POLITIKING
AD HOMINEM
May our up and coming new flock of "smart growth" politicians have long memories as to those who tried to steal from our friends and neighbors to buttress their selfish greed...
Hey Chris Mueller. Love your blog. Keep up the good work. Viewing corrupt politics, in the comfort of our homes, has certainly awoken many of us to just how low some are in this county. Add me to the list who do not want to get loans to foster the well being of the likes Maxwell and Ewbank.
Chrissy is considered a yellow journalist to those who think the public should be kept ignorant and oblivious to what a handful of development operatives are trying to do to this county and our personal savings.
"Mr. Hammond stated that the developer asked for County Council to present a favorable letter for 2.3 million dollars for the expansion of the St. Leon Sewer District.
Mr. Ewbank said that may have been the case but that was not moral turpitude. The developer was benefiting a lot of citizens up in that area with the people in the High Ridge Estates that needed sewers."
Does Mr. Ewbank even know where High Ridge Estates is located???
Since when is Route 50 between Aurora and Dillsboro near St.Leon???
High Ridge Estates is just a figment of our imaginations.
The DCRSD was formed entirely as a gift to John Maxwell.
Read the small print of the DCRSD's charter.
As the figment of our imaginations continues to dump raw sewage into Hogan's Creek.
Ewbank has devised a way of being John Maxwell's complete and total advocate on the taxpayers' dime!!!
First order of business of the newly aligned Commissioners: Fire Bob Ewbank.
I for one cannot wait to close out this chapter of this corrupt era in our county. Never forget what these people tried to do to the rest of us.
If it is good for Maxwell/Ewbank, it is good for the entire County, even if it is not good for the entire County.
The new Maxwell/Ewbank paradigm.
Ewbank, known for his fervent support of democrats last Commissioners' race, is not a supporter of Mayor Cunningham.
I wonder why that is?
Maybe because Mayor Cunningham respects the wishes of all the people, not just the select, Ewbank chosen few?
County Attorney Bob Ewbank:
WILLING TO GIVE MAXWELL CONTSTRUCTION A "GLOWING" LETTER OF REFERENCE, NO MATTER WHAT...
Give development interests a sewer utility and I will give you a waterway devoid of aquatic life.
"Give development interests a sewer utility and I will give you a waterway devoid of aquatic life."
I'm sure you will find Chuck Andres willing to testify against such development interests contaminating our waterways.
Sarcasm now switched to the "off" position.
"In fact- so widespread that they are hurting the very interests that spawned the loose restrictions."
As is what Ewbank is doing for our local development industry.
The developer was benefiting a lot of citizens up in that area with the people in the High Ridge Estates that needed sewers."
Benefiting?
Forcing people to go into debt so Maxwell can have his sewers for his development is benefiting them?
And since when did St. Leon annex High Ridge Estates?
Does this mean High Ridge residents will no longer be permitted to vote on sewer issues that concern them?
Ewbank is just such a pathetic Maxwell butt sniffer.
Now that Lawrenceburg turned down Watson's request for his additional millions, does that mean that John Maxwell won't be able to afford to hook his home up to the sewer line in front of his house?
Oh! I hope that is not the case. John's family is suffering so with that septic system right in his back yard. And you just know that Chuck Andres and Doug Baer are just constantly harrassing him to death to hook on to that sewer line in his front yard. I hope things work out for John, I really do.
LOL.
Imagine how hopeless Mr. Maxwell must of felt as he watched the line being trenched in front of his house and he could not afford to hook on?
Are the local churches still taking in donations for he and his family?
Are Mr. Maxwell and Mr. Watson even on speaking terms these days?
Mr. Watson, leave the Maxwells alone!
Your sewers are going to bankrupt them.
Mr. Watson, are you devoid of all humanity?
All of this stupid talk I bet has such a stimulating effect on your brains.
I am not seeing much discussion "Forced Hookups" or 'subsidized sewers".
Come on man give me some more of that.
I bet John wishes he knew someone in the construction industry who could give him a break on all those excavation expenses of hooking onto St. Leon's sewers. Is there not someone willing to step forward and provide him with some charity backhoe work?
Come on man give me some more of that.
We love you. We really do. And we all hope you turn your back on your life of crime. We really do.
"I am not seeing much discussion "Forced Hookups" or 'subsidized sewers"."
Don't worry, we will be able to pace ourselves well past the primaries and into the general election discussing "Forced Hookups" and "subsidized sewers!"
We look forward to all your lies in return!
"Come on man give me some more of that."
So, do honest politicians turn you down for cash much?
So, do honest politicians turn you down for cash much?
The Dearborn County Republican Party Leadership is working hard to "fix" their honest politician problem!!!
Honest politicians so get in their way!!!
All of this stupid talk I bet has such a stimulating effect on your brains.
It is not the stimulation of our brains that is at issue, it is your criminally awkward and fumbling massaging of our wallets, that leaves us all quite uncomfortable and creeped out…
"Come on man give me some more of that."
Why do you want us all to draw attention to your baser vices? Do you cut yourself also to relieve your pent up frustration with your miserable life and impending loveless future? Relationships have been rough for you, haven't they? Don't give up. Life is good. An honest life is good, that is.
"I am not seeing much discussion "Forced Hookups" or 'subsidized sewers"."
You are wasting your time posting here?
While John Maxwell needs your attention and financial help to afford to hook on to the sewer line in front of his home?
What kind of friend are you to the Maxwells?
For Christ's sake, all the business that Maxwell has thrown Ewbank's way and still Ewbank won't float him a loan until Maxwell gets back up on his feet?
Come on Bob, quit being so selfish!
We look forward to all your lies in return!
Like Bob and twins were for forced hookups before they were against them?
Bob "John Kerry" Ewbank and his two pin-head operatives, flip-floppers extraordinaire!
Bob "John Kerry" Ewbank and his two pin-head operatives, flip-floppers extraordinaire!
And like John Kerry shoved a shiv into John Edwards back for all his "loyal" service as he now endorses Obama...
...Ewbank will do the same to his two commissioner twins dimbulb loyalists!!!
Bob looks out for his troops...
...which is why Vera Benning is one election away from losing her pitiful patronage jobs.
Come on folks, dig deep into your savings, cut down on all your other extravagances, like food, health care and the education of your children and throw some money Maxwell’s way for his “shovel ready” sites!
I know, I know, you all thought that tired term died with the late Mr. Jim West…but it is a beast of a term…that must be fed by the rest of us before it bites us all in our collective asses!
Hesitation, on our part, will only bring down the wrath of Bob Ewbank on our worthless, non-maxwell like kindred souls!
Someone?
Give me a big Amen to how we brothers and sisters are being so incredibly selfish as to our wicked, self-serving reticence, in not subsidizing subdivisions chock full of new homes during this God-awful and pervasive current and existing housing glut we now find ourselves embroiled and entangled in!
Lift your hands to the Heavens good brothers and sisters!
Is there an Amen out there?
Pray for our local republican leadership as they pick and choose through their non-republican choices to endorse in the general election. May their choices meet the expectations of their development masters...
Thanks, Captain Kirk.
Maybe you stupid bastards don't see the big picture and just how well our Dearborn County Commissioners' office is being run!!!
Former Huntington County Auditor Don Schoeff begs to differ with you all!!!
On a side note, wouldn't the firm, WTH, bring so much to this County???
Captain Kirk, a girdle wearing over-acter!
But for his exquisite choice in hair-pieces, what is their left to exalt other than his proficiency in the exotic language of Esperanto!
Captain Kirk? Nah! Ewbank reminds me of one of those whispering "Tribles," chortling little sighs, “money to Maxwell…money to Maxwell…
Captain Kirk?
I bet Brett has an affectation more directed towards Mr. Zulu.
On a side note, wouldn't the firm, WTH, bring so much to this County???
Wasn't WTH the response of the Lawrenceburg Council to Mr. Watson?
As in, WTH, you want us to give you money in order for you and your kind to screw our fellow Dearborn Countians?
When it comes to "shovel ready" sites, why is it that the rest of us are required to have a "shovel ready" to trench our yards to hook on to worthless sewers that we neither need nor desire?
Thank you for the sewer comment.
I needed that fix.
Wow, I feel better.
Wow, I feel better.
Now go steal from your neighbor, make your mom proud...finally.
Is that all you have?
Come on give me some forced sewer hookup stuff.
I love the trible comment.
Now that's good blogging.
No thanks, you seem more than depraved enough to give this entire county more than enough forced sewer hookup "stuff" to last the rest of us for lifetime.
Have you considered an honest vocation?
My mother only has so much in the bank, she cannot remain in her home and finance YOUR sewers.
What would you suggest she do?
Go to her child and tell them to get off this blog, get life and work on something more meaningfull then this crap.
-Dearborn county Worker
Go to her child and tell them to get off this blog, get life and work on something more meaningfull then this crap.
So, all us chidren of all our parents...need to kick your greedy, entititled ass?
By the way, does Maxwell really leave a ten dollar bill on your dresser when he is done with you?
And the development shills are back on parade!!!
How bitter our the sewer enablers are, our septic systems must really be polluting their waterways...
Speaking of waterways and polution, how is that High Ridge Estates "fix" working out?
High Ridge? What is that? Maxwellfehrmanewbanklehner have never heard of High Ridge.
But Maxwellfehrmanewbanklehner are looking out for the public health and not their self-serving profit motives.
Are you telling me they might be common crooks?
Are you telling me they might be common crooks?
Please do not malign the reputation of our local common crooks.
"Go to her child and tell them to get off this blog, get life and work on something more meaningfull then this crap."
Apparently, if we are not ever so watchful of our grey haired parents and grandparents, we are on notice from our corrupt realtor/developer/banker/shyster class that they will ransack our grey haired parents and grandparents' savings to subsidize the development of a few development punks.
"...they will ransack our grey haired parents and grandparents' savings to subsidize the development of a few development punks."
That is how I interpreted their threat also!
Let them try to harrass my mother and grandmother!
Please, let them try!
Oh thieves! Where are you! Knock on our doors, please!
Thanks again for the fix.
Realtor/developer/banker/shyster is a good one also for the blog and of my favorite "subsidize".
You may own your land, outright, but never dismiss the greed factor.
Maxwell, Ewbank and to a lesser extent, due to his low lottery number in the gene pool, Fehrman, feel that we are somehow squatters on their entitled land.
Thanks again for the fix.
Your addictions are so pedestrian.
But everything about you is so pedestrian.
Still working on honest employment?
Sewer scammer still a hinderance on your resume?
Sewer scammer.
Sewer scammer.
Sewer scammer.
addiction and pedestrian don't go together?
Again you are in some weird place.
Save us, sewer scammer, from our functioning septic systems!
Again you are in some weird place.
But a honest place!
Have you lost all maps to such a place?
Addiction and pedestrian, are somehow incompatable?
Technical school really let you down.
Thank God you do not work for the Bright Beacon!
Vote for Fox and Hughes...these control freaks expect no less!!!
Fox and Hughes: Keep those combined I.Q.s below 70...
...it is good for corrupt and crooked business.
How's that support these republicans flyer coming?
Any republicans on it?
But Johnny Nugent is on RECORD supporting the republican nominee...
To our develoment shills...
...blow me...a kiss before you leave.
addiction and pedestrian don't go together?
You are not one of those smart girls, are you?
Any other talents?
I know it is Friday
I know your are weary
I know your plans
do not include me
but is anyone trenching
at the Maxwell’s
could it be
they are being treated
like someone like me?
Dissolve the unfunded dcrsd NOW!
The DCRSD is Kryptonite to any honest politician!
Everyone involved with the DCRSD seems to be working an angle.
There seems to be no one on the board willing to do the right thing.
The board is just a den selfish conflicting interests looking for anyway possible to line their own pockets at the expense of the rest of us.
The dcrsd's idea of an area with a septic public health crisis is any area around one of its board members' new land purchases!
Let someone "outside" the dcrsd good ole boy/gal network purchase that land and see how long it takes them to get sewers out to their new purchase without cutting a board member or enabler in on the deal.
Think of the power that gives to the dishonest types associated with the dcrsd.
"The board is just a den selfish conflicting interests looking for anyway possible to line their own pockets at the expense of the rest of us."
That is true: but until the dcrsd is dissolved it is a threat to the taxpayers of Dearborn County!
Analogy: The bird is still in the bush not in hand.
St. Leon is facing capacity problems, but they still are forcing hookups to their sewers? This is what happens when you have developer driven sewer utilties. The only planning they want to do is is only the planning needed to run sewers out to their next project, with no interest in the costs to the public. What is happening in St. Leon and what the DCRSD is trying to do, is the height of self-serving greed.
Another day goes by and John Maxwell continues to fight the St. Leon sewer thugs, refusing to hook on to the sewer line in his front yard.
Brave man.
Brave man.
Our crooked development interests are running out of folks willing to put up with their bullying. County Council is not frightened of them, Lawrenceburg Council is not frightened of them and after this year's elections, the Commissioners will no longer be their puppets. I understand that boycotts usually are not all that effective, but my family and friends are now going out of our way to not do business with any of the crooks associated with this county's sewer scandal.
"The dcrsd's idea of an area with a septic public health crisis "
The pulic health crisis is the main reason the Dearborn County sewer board was organized. That board didn't need regional power to accomplish their agenda.The regional part of the board orchestrated by Lehner through her combined efforts with Parvin Price/IDEM set up the Regional title that would allow this realtor/developer controlled district to get in the middle of ANY sewer issue in the county.
The dcrsd needs to be dissolved NOW!
The dcrsd is a deterrent not a catalyist to any sewage pollution reduction process in Dearborn County!
"The regional part of the board orchestrated by Lehner through her combined efforts with Parvin Price..."
With L. Parvin Price's help, look how much money and time was wasted at the VRUC, as their crumbling sewer infrastructure permitted millions of gallons of raw sewage to flow into our waterways. As crooked developers still tried to tie in even more homes onto HVL's crumbling sewers.
Now, we have High Ridge's sewage still flowing into Hogans.
Yeah, these sewers were about the public health alright.
Vote anyone and everyone out of office who try to give even one more dime to the DCRSD.
Let Maxwell and friends get second and third jobs to pay for their development.
It is not the responsibility of the rest of us to see that Maxwell stays solvent.
The dcrsd is a deterrent not a catalyist to any sewage pollution reduction process in Dearborn County!
Other than their like-minded crooks up in St. Leon, is there anyone left that the dcrsd board hasn't pissed off and alienated?
It is nice to see the local papers hammering these crooks.
Thank you Joe Awad!
Is the Bright Beacon hammering these folks also?
From the minutes of the Dec.18 Commissioners meeting. Mr Ewbanks stated:
"Lastly, there is a the county ordinance. It has effectively been repealed by the creation of the regional sewer district. If the regional sewer district had a sewer system out where he lived, he would fall under the provinces of that law. Right now he was Mr. Ewbank explained that right now he was falling under the provinces of municipal law. "
The dcrsd is a detriment to the people of Dearborn County. The dcrsd has NOTHING:(no sewage processing, no sewage transmission pipes and no money to implement anything)and the dcrsd is standing in the way of county ordinances!
The dcrsd is a DETRIMENT to the people of Dearborn County!
Dissolve the dcrsd NOW!
Great conversation once again.
Nothing more enjoyable than to read this crap from people with no political agenda.
Yes. You have a political agenda just like everybody else.
Now, lets hear how you are not like the evil developer realtor or sewer lover or whatever else.
This blog would not be the same without "forced sewer hookups" and subsidizing.
Lets hear some more.
The crux of political problem is wasting and diversion of tax payer money. The politicians have to be good stewards of our tax money. Any preception of poor stewardship should be open for public discussion. Presently the tax money stewardship is being questioned for improprieties.
IMO, this blog is very useful tool in informing the public of what the taxpaying public feels is not being handled in a pudent mannor. This forum is open and not being held in private meetings and executive sessions which is presently causing much distrust of the public officials.
There is always going to be private meetings you idiot. You do it yourself with your cronies.
You are a dumbass.
Lets hear some more.
Ask and ye shall receive.
You just hate the fact that you cannot slam the gavel down when someone questions you about lining your pockets with our dollars, don't ya?
And why are you posting at all, you should get your conflicted ass back down to the dcrsd and get High Ridge fixed.
You remember, High Ridge, that lie about public health you used as a ruse to gain a toe hold on a sewer district to further try to line your pockets?
Honest folks, now that they are informed as to what you are doing, are turning away from you in droves, are they not?
Too bad!
You are a dumbass.
Feeling the pressure, darling?
This ain't nothing!
Wait and see what happens when we take back the commissioners' office!
You will lose two lackeys and a shyster!
Stock up on your high blood pressure medicine, deary!
Now that's more like it.
Keep it coming.
Waste yout life away on this blog.
"There is always going to be private meetings you idiot. You do it yourself with your cronies.
You are a dumbass."
Your stance on these issues is understood.
Speaking of dumbasses, was that a public or private meeting when the republican leadership decided to screw the republican primary voter when they did not vote for the Maxwell approved brown noser and development suck-up?
So, what are you going to tell the primary voter this year?
"VOTE MASSA MAXWELL'S CHOICE OR WE WILL ONCE AGAIN TRY TO SCREW YOU OVER!"
You gots losta splaining to do to the rank and file this primary season.
Going to be funny to watch you try to shuck and jive your way around it.
Waste yout life away on this blog.
I just cut and split an entire cord of fire wood between my posts and I went to walmart and attended a soccer game!
My life is full and prosperous thank you!
Now, shilling for a handful of development crooks, that is a waste of life!
Oh, by the way, someone thank Bob, Rick and Jeff for going on RECORD of being against forced hookups!
It may have been the deciding factor for Mayor Cunningham's decision not to fund those crooks up in St. Leon!
Let us know when you are prepared to go on the RECORD once again, will you?
You people have an uncanny way of suckering individuals into these loser discussions.
So, how many elections are Bob and his development boys going to lose in the future until they come around to the fact, that it may have been more productive for them to just try screwing the taxpayer in moderation for their development sugar daddies?
You people have an uncanny way of suckering individuals into these loser discussions.
We don't consider our development toadies "losers" we view them as just every day, common criminals...
Soon, Bob and Gary will call a republican party leadership meeting and no one will attend.
The fear of guilt by association and all that keeping honest republicans away.
I'm sure Frank Linkmeyer would be overjoyed to attend one of Bob and Gary's republican leadership meetings!!!
I'm sure Frank Linkmeyer would be overjoyed to attend one of Bob and Gary's republican leadership meetings!!!
Just make sure Johnny Nugent is not in attendance. It would feel quite uncomfortable for Mr. Linkmeyer when Johnny told him right to his face that he supported Ralph over Frank!
Backroom bullies don't fare very well in this open information age, do they?
Maxwell, if he is going keep trying to force his will on the rest of us, better get somebody a lot "slicker" than Bob Ewbank to do his "politiking!"
You didn't think it was "slick" when Bob and the twins all made a big fuss of how they were on RECORD being against forced hookups all in that one meeting?
It is time to boycott every bank,gas station etc. that Maxwell has been involved with . Talk isn't enough.
Will Fox and Hughes be gentlemen in May and take their loss gracefully, or will they immediately start campaigning for the first two developmemt stooges Ewbank and Morris can round up for the general?
Ewbank and Morris, I'm sure, are under orders from Mr. Maxwell to push development stooges, no matter what.
What good is a bridge if you cannot burn it down as you make your exit from political power.
Until Maxwell and Company learn to play with others, it is going to be mightly lonely for them, politically.
Still wasting your life away on the blog I see.
This shows how much of life you people have.
Still wasting your life away on the blog I see.
This shows how much of life you people have.
It only took a handful of spoiled, entitled development pukes to destroy the local republican party leadership.
It will take years for the leadership to gain back any influence and political pull.
Greed and arrogance.
What a killer.
Still wasting your life away on the blog I see.
This shows how much of life you people have.
Stutter much?
Still smarting from being turned down for funds from the honest political adults in the County?
This is fun screwing with someone that is crazy.
Let's hear some more Forced hookups and subsidizing.
Is that how you spell it? Please tell me.
"This shows how much of life you people have."
Want to go fishing?
I won't hold your thieving nature against you in the boat.
Bring the beer.
The catfish are biting in deep holes at the mouth of Hogan's Creek.
We can't eat the fish because of some crooked sewer district is too busy trying to stuff their pockets with taxpayer dollars, thus permitting High Ridge to dump their crap into the upper hogan.
I work, you work, your a loser I am winner because all you have is forced sewer hookups and subsi?
I forgot what you were saying.
What was it you were saying?
This is fun screwing with someone that is crazy.
What hurt the most for you people:
1. Losing brown nosing Vera
2. Seeing Thompson take power
3. The first time the County Council turn you down for your pocket lining
4. The second time the County Council turned you down for your pocket lining
or was it
5. When the Lawerenceburg Council did not want to aid in your crooked sewer scamming?
Honest folks get you jumpy and defensive, do they not?
This will be my last entry because I need to go chop wood and go to Walmart.
But I will be back later to say nothing like yourselves.
Don't forget Forced hookups and subsidize.
Welcome to our blog!
Is there any development blog we could go to allowing the opportunity to sing the praises of Massa Maxwell and forced hookups to HIS sewers?
This will be my last entry because I need to go chop wood and go to Walmart.
See, we have more in common than you thought.
Do you also like puppies and ponys?
Have a safe trip to walmart.
Wear your eye protection while cutting wood.
Vote for the Smart Growth candidate in May.
If someone sees this person at Wal Mart this evening, give this person a great big hug from the rest of us.
This person will be easy to recognize, look for saw dust on this person’s Carhartt Bibs.
Tell this person we all are willing to forgive and forget, after this person stops trying to steal us blind.
We can't eat the fish because of some crooked sewer district is too busy trying to stuff their pockets with taxpayer dollars, thus permitting High Ridge to dump their crap into the upper hogan.
FUNNY!!!
Cut and paste the link below into your address bar, then go down the page about halfway until you see the big "WARNING!" sign.
http://lov2fish.proboards76.com/index.cgi?board=si&action=display&thread=1198897809
Thank you for that link.
Fox, Hughes, Ewbank, Maxwell, Fehrman, Dennerline, Ensweiler and Pruss are not the friends of our fellow fishermen, are they?
Good job boys!
Thanks for forming the dcrsd to clean up our waterways!
Crooked bastards that you are!
The DCRSD is not about Development, it is about ruining our waterways, right Vera?
What a nice sign at the mouth of Hogan's Creek!
I guess this could be considered a "Sign Of The Times" if the dcrsd can find some dishonest lender to finance their criminal enterprise.
Former Huntington County Auditor Don Schoeff was fishing in Hogan's Creek with John Maxwell and Bob Ewbank this past weekend and he is thinking of writing a letter to the editor as to how great tasting their catch was!
Did anyone else hear that members of the firm, WTH, are all avid fishermen?
A vote for Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes, is a vote for inedible fish flesh...
...I reckon that constitutes "growth!"
Someone, please, SUBSIDIZE dcrsd Board Member, Brett Fehrman's subdivision, we so love our fried hogan's creek catfish and hush puppies!!!!!!!!
But them fish are now literally killing us!!!!!!!!
Give in to Brett Fehrman's demands!!!!!!!
Let the High Ridge hostages go!!!!!!!
Please!!!!!!!
"Is that how you spell it? Please tell me."
You are so HOT when you are crazy mad!
This will be my last entry because I need to go chop wood and go to Walmart.
Now that the crooked pie is getting so much smaller, don't let Ewbank lock the door behind you...
Bob Ewbank in drag, crawling between John Maxwell's legs:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bOD6F_lXbpM
Our country life is so impeding "growth" in this County, someone please save us from ourselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Zq9IcITXc&feature=related
Thanks for you video.
One of my favorite videos, linked below, think of Country Club limp wristed girly boys such as Ewbank and friends in such an environment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVWYMl2yg1E&feature=related
My favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teHfyby_veU&feature=related
Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lzb_ibhnWg
Thank you Christine for this blog.
One of my favorite rural like songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r6xduUUUcM
The one and true and only...Johnny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvgDXkHjAHM&feature=related
My mother country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWwayDfJtkE&NR=1
FUNNY!!!
Cut and paste the link below into your address bar, then go down the page about halfway until you see the big "WARNING!" sign.
http://lov2fish.proboards76.com/index.cgi?board=si&action=display&thread=1198897809
Such a sign, not being good for "business," especially his and John Maxwell's "business," I think we all know how Bob Ewbank would respond to such a sign:
ARGUMENTATIVE
SLANDER
POLITIKING
AD HOMINEM
Our dancing development interests:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/Shamisenrat/Misc%20rats/IMGP2371.jpg
"We can't eat the fish because of some crooked sewer district is too busy trying to stuff their pockets with taxpayer dollars, thus permitting High Ridge to dump their crap into the upper hogan."
Jeff Hughes begs to differ with you, he had a delicious fish dinner at Long John Silvers, just up the road from Hogan's Creek, leaving him with no ill effects!!!
So, apparently, that sign posted at the mouth of Hogan's Creek is just more propaganda by our "anti-everythings" in this County!!!
The sign post at the mouth of Hogan Creek might be propaganda....but the sewage pollution of High Ridge estates into South Hogan Creek is real!
IDEM's Notice of violations should give everybody a wake up call. This notice should be posted to this board for all to see.
I like the horse video that was posted on this blog.
Now that's putting Horse sense back into county government.
This notice should be posted to this board for all to see.
That might put pressure on Mr. Maxwell and his fellow grifters on the dcrsd board.
Mr. Ewbank has given orders not to pressure Mr. Maxwell.
Mr. Maxwell does not treat his political lackeys and in-pocket shysters well when he is under pressure.
John Maxwell already has far too much on his mind. He is presently struggling with whether or not to buckle under to those St. Leon sewer crooks and connect his home to their shoddy sewers.
Singer songwriter John Stewart, what a flash from the past.
Thank you.
Here is something from his younger days in the Kingston Trio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIW8T-sNU10&feature=related
Do you think a Democrat stands a chance to become commissioner in this county?
Should we have at least one of the three commissioners be a Democrat?
Would it help represent the county better?
It would seem many of local democrats are a hell of a lot more conservative than our developer welfare country club republicans.
Blah Blah Blah...you are like a nagging wife
Blah Blah Blah...you are like a nagging wife
How's your funding coming?
As far as Democrats being elected, I heard Massa Maxwell and Mini-Me Bob Ewbank were really fond of Democrat Frank Linkmeyer last Commissioners' race.
Or maybe they just like the way Frank knew all the tunes that Massa Maxwell would have liked Frank to dance to.
"Blah Blah Blah...you are like a nagging wife"
Now you know how we feel with all of Bob Ewbank's nagging:
"DO THIS FOR MR. MAXWELL...DO THAT FOR MR. MAXWELL...VOTE FOR MR. MAXWELL'S CANDIDATES...DON'T MENTION MR. MAXWELL'S NOT FIXING HIGH RIDGE...OR MR. MAXWELL REFUSING TO HOOKUP TO ST. LEON'S SEWERS...MR. MAXWELL...MR. MAXWELL...MR. MAXWELL..."
The nagging never seems to cease!!!
Blah Blah Blah
Congratulations!
You used the correct spelling for three, count them, three words in a row!
Now give us all the alternative spellings for “Bogey Man!”
How did it happen that almost 50,000 Dearborn county residents let a dozen or so crooks put this county in so much turmoil?
How did it happen that almost 50,000 Dearborn county residents let a dozen or so crooks put this county in so much turmoil?
Some of us are "TRUSTING"...
...others lay in wait to violate such "TRUST!"
Our local Development bullies, their enablers, lackeys and shysters, have proven to be, "UNTRUSTWORTHY!"
Now, the rest of us honest folks, are forever in the "TRUST" but verify first mode!
"...others lay in wait to violate such "TRUST!""
Kinda of like the way the republican leadership violated the trust of the republican primary voter?
Nah.
The republican leadership did not violate any trust relative to the republican primary voter.
No one believed in the first place, that they had any other allegence to anyone other than a few development pukes that pull their pathetic strings and offer to provide their pathetic souls with their never-quenching need for false flattery, until they are no longer useful to those pulling their strings.
Welcome to the "new and improved" republican leadership, brought to you by Mr. Robert Ewbank.
Once Fox and Hughes are gone, there will be no one left to even offer Ewbank's political casualties, patronage jobs!!!
I kind of like the idea of getting a Democrat in. I hear we have two running in District 2 to vie for teh chance to take on Mr. Fox in November.
Tom Orschel and Jake Hoog
Ewbank left poor, easily swayed Vera Benning, unelectable in any future Republican Primary, with his goading her on to throw her support to the Development Democrat in the General election, to save his own and selfish grasp on power in this County.
When Jeff Hughes and Rick Fox circle down the political sewer to buttress the next and probably the last Ewbank grasp at retaining power, no one will be left to vouch for Ewbank’s political loyalty and offer of political recompense for following his “grand” political advice.
“SUPPORT BOB EWBANK’S WISHES…EVEN THOUGH THEY WILL LEAVE YOU WITH NOTHING IN THE END…”
Tom Orschel and Jake Hoog
Independent thinkers, or easliy bought off future Development puppets?
Let us hope they are for the rest of us and not just the very overly politically compensated and politically connected few of us!!!!!!!!!
Sorry John Maxwell if that offends your delicate senses!!!!!!!!!
"...others lay in wait to violate such "TRUST!"
Like jumping at the opportunity to inflict the DCRSD on the rest of us...
...may God forgive them.
We all hope that this money crunch in the development industry does not last for long. We all look forward to the day that our local floundering realtors/developers/bankers/shysters are able to fend for themselves without utilizing their political butt boys and girls in elected office, appointed to boards and political hires to attach our savings to make up for their financial shortcommings!
"Tom Orschel and Jake Hoog
Independent thinkers, or easliy bought off future Development puppets?"
Don't know about Tom- but Jake is not for sale.
Once again, all us hard working and honest Dearborn Countians wish to thank those members of the Lawrenceburg Council, the County Council and that one member of the County Commissioners for looking out for us all.
Thank you so much.
Your good works will not go unnoticed nor unrewarded.
Don't know about Tom- but Jake is not for sale.
Bless them both!!!
"Don't know about Tom- but Jake is not for sale."
May both Democrats understand well that any endorsement by Republicans Ewbank and Morris will be the kiss of death.
A Development "kind" of political candidate:
"ONE THAT DRIVES DOWN YOUR COUNTY ROAD, COUNTING THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT MAY BE FORCED TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR DEVELOPMENT'S SEWERS."
How many Development frogs do our young and aspiring daughters have to kiss in search of their Prince Charmings, only to find out that our Development frogs, are only capable of being toads, on their best days?
Re-elect Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes!
Stop that dastardly Ralph Thompson from exercising his influence and giving a voice to those not in the Maxwell inner-circle!
Can you afford not to be in the "good hands" of those willing to stick their sewer expenses on your accounts?
"Still wasting your life away on the blog I see.
This shows how much of life you people have."
You appear angry.
If we were more in tune with forcing our neighbors to subsidize our fortunes, would you be more at peace, would you like us a tiny bit more?
May all our politcal opponents have the endorsement of John Maxwell, Bob Ewbank, Lisa Lehner, soon to be ex-commissioners Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes, ex-commissioner and existing on political patronage jobs, Vera Benning and anyone associated with St. Leon's sewers and the DCRSD!
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