Monday, August 27, 2007

27 August 2007 Dearborn County Plan Commission Meeting Notes

27 August 2007 Dearborn County Plan Commission Meeting Notes

Present: Patrick DeMaynadier, Acting Chairman, , Ken Nelson, Tom Cheek (replacing Mark Mitter as Council member) Ralph Thompson, Dennis Kraus, Jr., Nick Held, and Tarry Feiss arrived at 8 PM half way through the meeting.

ABSENT: Mike Hall- (back injury) and Bob Laws.

Also present: Mark McCormack, Planning Director, Mike Ionna, Ass’t Planner, and Arnie McGill, Attorney.

1.DeMaynadier rearranged the agenda items to facilitate the attendees. Tucker requested tabling his item on White Farm Development rezone till October 22nd when there would be 9 members present. PC agreed to allow this. The roomful of people then left.

2.Zone Map amendment from Ag to B-1 for a business park at Steele Road and North Dearborn on 4 acres in Logan Township. Owner Jake Bamberger was represented by Jeff Stenger of JDJ Surveying. They were asked if they wished to Table- and said they were confident and wanted to present tonight.

Concerns were addressed in an hour-long discussion and McGill told the board to be sure to have findings of fact and address in detail all 5 criteria for the zone change. The applicant is looking at about 2 years to begin construction- they plan to move Bambinos Restaurant there as well as a doctor office so far. The building will be 15,000 sq ft max. They are considering combining driveways with Lonnie Steele and also looking at shared retention ponds with Maxwell’s adjoining development. They may also send sanitary sewer to Morgan Ridge’s lift station. Trip generators may cause a traffic study to be required once they get to the building phase. There was discussion of the closeness of intersections on North Dearborn and Steel Road. Steel Road will be upgraded by the developer to the North Dearborn intersection per Listerman. Steele is part chip seal and part gravel. All plan commission members were basically in agreement that the idea was suitable for the area. Nelson listed many items he wanted to see- including the above ideas plus the sidewalks and upgrade and fixing the Steel intersection angle. He also wanted lighting addressed.

NO PUBLIC wanted to speak.

Thompson Motioned and Nelson seconded to give a favorable recommendation to the commissioners with the following conditions:
Limiting the uses to those that are allowed except for the ones listed in the applicants proposal.
A 50 ft ROW on Steele Rd for R and L turn lanes as needed.
The entry on North Dearborn should be moved as far east as possible for the increased distance between entry points.
Orientation of the building should basically be as is.
Provisions for future connectivity to the East- shared or by easement.
Sidewalks at least along North Dearborn Road.
Appropriate lighting with due consideration to light trespass on south and east neighbors.
Thompson’s motion stated that the favorable recommendation was because the proposal meets the requirements of Section 540 specifically: it was responsible growth suitable to the area in line with the comprehensive plan and was not detrimental to current conditions as there was retail to the west, a church to the north and N Dearborn has good access. It is a more desirable use in consideration of a town development concept. He doesn’t think it will impact property values and it provides responsible development.
All ayes . Passed.


3. Article 4 on proposed ordinance changes was tabled till Sept after McCormack said he’d talked to Ewbank and a local insurer on bonds. He wants to further investigate.

Article 16 Section 1640 was passed to go to commissioners with a favorable recommendation. Nelson Motioned and Cheek second- all ayes.

ADMINISTRATIVE:

Public hearing for master plan is set for Sept meeting- though they may be missing a couple members.

Travis Miller- former director was pretty pleased with it also. 6-8 Adv members have commented so far. Some changes were made in the tables and numbers to correct and clarify. De Maynadier noted that changes shouldn’t be made just because someone was louder in their criticism.

St. Leon will have a town meeting on Sept 12 for their comp plan.

Dillsboro is also talking about the 2-mile buffer zone areas like St. Leon was. [NOTE: Some of these towns are barely 2 miles across themselves! That’s a BIG buffer by contrast.]

Purdue’s Planning with Power team was here, met with Held, Thompson, Chamber rep, John Roeder, and wants the county to be a pilot county. Bob McCormack is the Purdue person in charge. PC members will get a pass code to access the site and give recommendations.

There was discussion about partnering with OKI on fiscal impact study to increase the effect of our $50K for this study. OKI may have to come see PC to get this. Nelson and others thought there may be too many tax entities in the OKI study and it wouldn’t work for us.

Workshop with OKI in Sept on Site Planning.

2 articles in packets on hillside development issues and another coming on retention ponds from front page Enquirer. Hough has done a hillside map and Margaret has used it as GIS layer for the county per Thompson.
McCormack noted that hillsides are considered for view sheds, stability, and slippage issues. Feiss wondered which study we should believe.
Thompson noted major road slip issues in the county and cutting the toes of the hill destabilizes the whole hill.

McCormack said bonds have not come in yet on Sugar Ridge.

Meeting adjourned at 9 PM

Christine Brauer Mueller
Lawrenceburg Township

131 comments:

Anonymous said...

Development can happen in this county as you can see from this meeting. It just takes a prepared and competent professional. When there is a "rush" for development nothing will happen. I hope West, Rozow, and the planners of this county take note. The practice of hiring people, who have no knowledge of this county, to do consulting work obviously won't work when all you see is dollar signs in their eyes and smirks on their faces.

Anonymous said...

Here! Here!

Anonymous said...

Bull Shit!

Anonymous said...

12:55 pm please explain.

I don't think anyone is against growth. Not one person in this county. BUT to have it shoved down your throat from some slickster from Northern Kentucky, Georgia, or Indianapolis with no competency or care for the county then there is a problem. The other problem I have is Slimy real estate agents talking one thing with intentions of another. Where are the ethics in this county and in county government. I hope someone/anyone can learn "the right way" to ask and develop property for business use.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Bull Shit!



Let me guess!

You are experiencing a lull in your business and you blame the rest of us for your current failings?

Maybe we all should be just get out of your way?

Maybe we do not know just how important you believe yourself to be?

How about some more of our tax dollars to solicit business for you?

How about we all get loans to subsidize your sewers?

How about we just say to hell with the education of our kids and let you build subdivisions next subdivisions next subdivisions and over tax our schools?

How about we do away with the zoning we all live with and in the bounds of and planned our lives around in order for you to development land in the cheapest fashion possible?

How about we do not even run a candidate against your's in the republican primary, to save you from another embarrassing and petty melt down as you run a democrat in the general election?

How about we just bow out completely and let you and your cadre plan in secret what it best for “YOU” with our county?

Anonymous said...

"Bull Shit!"


Maybe it is this aspect of your "charming" personality that is the main, contributing factor to your business failings.

Work on your "charm" factor and maybe you will not have to steal from others or have all the rules changed to your favor to realize a profit!

Just a thought!

Anonymous said...

There is farm up for sale in my part of the county, well off the beaten path. But if you count all the home and property owners between this farm and Aurora or Lawrenceburg, you developers could force everyone of these suckers on to your sewers...thus paying the costs of running lines out to your soon to be 300 lot subdivision.

Now, the kids might have to double occupy school desks, some may need to ride on the top of the bus to get to school, or the roads may have to be re-engineered, but hey, you have "property rights," and you should be permitted to do what you want with your land, if it costs the rest of us a small fortune to subsidize your "property rights," then so be!

And God help any Old Lady posting a sign of protest in her yard regarding your proposed development!

She must be "educated" as to the facts of YOUR "property rights!"

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

Bull Shit!"



I guess you think it is "BULL SHIT" what Brett Fehrman has in mind for those he is intends to force onto his sewers, because he cannot afford, or arrogantly refuses to pay, impact or development fees, so the rest of us must pay HIS way?

"BULL SHIT"

"BULL SHIT"

"BULL SHIT"

Am I right?

Anonymous said...

I am so happy to see that a rezoning for a commercial development has happen in the county.

This is a start for something good.

Anonymous said...

I am so happy to see that a rezoning for a commercial development has happen in the county.

This is a start for something good.


It is!

Dearborn County, permitted to grow naturally, will do just fine.

We are a big community. A community with divergent interests.

Forcing "growth" without the benefit of community input, will prove to be fatal.

This County owes no "one" group or faction utmost loyality.

Natural progession, at a natural pace, is the only sustainable growth that can naturally take place.

Regardless of what the extremes demand.

Anonymous said...

BUT to have it shoved down your throat from some slickster from Northern Kentucky, Georgia, or Indianapolis with no competency or care for the county then there is a problem.

As Brett and Vera screech: "Open wider! If you don't swallow this, we are both back to being Jan and Bob's "BO BO'S"!!!

Anonymous said...

Define natural pace? Qualify and quantify?

Anonymous said...

Define natural pace? Qualify and quantify?

How about, to start, if you cannot afford the "pace" with out taxing or forcing your neighbors on grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines, you cannot keep up with the "pace!"

Further, what can you afford as far as development and and what can the community absorb as to your development!

Simply because a tract of land becomes available, far from existing infrastructure, does not make that tract of land ripe for development, unless you have the resources to provide for infrastructure to that tract, i.e., roads, schools, sewers and the like!

Obviously, many of us can afford to buy farm land, at farm land prices, but who pays for the improvements to the land and the existing infrastructure, to develop such?

Look at Brett Fehrman, for example:

He can afford farm land, but he cannot afford to sewer that land without extorting the surrounding home and property owners around such land!

"Pace" in a nutshell!

Anonymous said...

I have purchased various parcels of farmland over the years.

I paid farmland prices for those parcels.

Why?

Because, even if I wanted to, I could not afford to sewer that land for concentrated development.

Little did I know, all I had to do is run for election, or get appointed to a board or two, I could have forced my neighbors to subsidize my whatever development plans I could possibly think up!

But even permitted such opportunity, I could not do that to my friends, neighbors or even to absolute strangers...

...which, I guess, differentiates me from common types such as Fehrman, Maxwell, Ewbank or Lehner!!!

Anonymous said...

"Define natural pace? Qualify and quantify?"

To you avid pro-development types:

Qualify and quantify what you regard as a natural, or otherwise, pace relative to development?

Anonymous said...

Notice:

“Development Dinks” like to "bark" questions, but they do seem to loathe, if not abhor, providing answers to follow-up questions!

Is it a shortage or shrinkage of testicular fortitude that warrants such cowardice?

Unless and of course, said “Development Dinks” are of the Vera or Lisa variety.

Testosterone ravaging and wrecking the beings of these two androgynous twins!

As poor Brett looks on with a fancy longing as his hormones rage, cyclical with sisterhood fembots!

Anonymous said...

Mike Vick caused the problems in Dearborn County.

Anonymous said...

Time and again, individuals who enter prison, emerge worse criminals.

So, do not be taken aback, if Michael Vick comes out of prison with a Realtor's License and is wearing a “Think Link” T-shirt!

Anonymous said...

At least if we wear a think link button, we are not a republican running for one purpose only, running to get another republican out of office.

Anonymous said...

At least if we wear a think link button, we are not a republican running for one purpose only, running to get another republican out of office.

No, you are a realtor/developer with one purpose only, to have the rest of us, republican, democrat or independent, subsidize your subsivisions or business parks!

Keep treating public office like a criminal enterprise!

It is what you do best!

Anonymous said...

"There is farm up for sale in my part of the county, well off the beaten path"

Thanks for the information I will make sure I take a look at the listing later today. I knew this blog would end up serving some good.

"Forcing "growth" without the benefit of community input, will prove to be fatal."

I don't remember seeing any community input to the latest rezone does that mean it was done incorrectly to everyone.

"He can afford farm land, but he cannot afford to sewer that land without extorting the surrounding home and property owners around such land!"

By the way he is just the realtor, who said the developer couldn't afford the infrastructure. It is a matter of who is going to serve that area. I think some of you need to do your research on the property and stop blaming that area on Brett.

"But even permitted such opportunity, I could not do that to my friends, neighbors or even to absolute strangers..."

Well is that going to be the same tone if heaven forbid your wife our husband get very ill and the hospital bills start piling up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Will you then think about not selling you property for your family or will your friends and neighbors be more important. Will you tell your wife or husband that they can't have their life saving surgery because you don't want to sell to a developer because you don't want to hurt your neighbors feelings. Some people need to do what they need to do.

Anonymous said...

How many primary elections have their been in this County where the losing candidate lacked the grace of Vera Benning in losing?

Vera and her fellow supporters lacked the integrity and honor to accept their loss with dignity and resolve!

That abhorrent act alone, could be the singular and particular campaign issue which could usher out the rest of you crooks from public office!

Anonymous said...

By the way he is just the realtor, who said the developer couldn't afford the infrastructure. It is a matter of who is going to serve that area. I think some of you need to do your research on the property and stop blaming that area on Brett.

Again, your need for misdirection lays bare your need to cover your tracks to cover your petty crimes!

Tell us again if Brett is willing to pay for his own sewers or is he still trying to get the rest of us to subsidize them!

If I am correct, that is point of the passage you were responding to!

By the way, where was the opportunity for input to the very creation of the DCRSD?

It would seem the DCRSD' Board just used the sewer crisis at High Ridge Estates as a ruse to pursue their personal financial agendas?

But, let us get back to the point, will Brett or any of his significant others, pay to have the sewers run out to his subdivision, or is he still trying to force the rest of us to subsidize his sewers?

Anonymous said...

Well is that going to be the same tone if heaven forbid your wife our husband get very ill and the hospital bills start piling up...

...and the next thing you know you are getting a "forced sewer hook-up letter" from Brett and friends that may put your family tens of thousands of dollars further into debt and into finacial crisis...

Anonymous said...

Keep scaring the public that is the only way you fools can ever win your credibility is lost for ever in your unending pain and lack of a life . I feel only sorrow for you and your friends.

Anonymous said...

Step up Board Members of the DCRSD and state unequivocally that you will not "force" sewer hook-ups to support a few realtor/developers in your mists!

Do the honorable deed, be more like the decent, respectable and honest folks of Dillsboro, SDRSD and Greendale!

Or do you lack the "stones" to stand up and do the "right" thing?

To date, you are just an entity that attracts only derision and scorn!

Anonymous said...

Keep scaring the public that is the only way you fools can ever win your credibility is lost for ever in your unending pain and lack of a life . I feel only sorrow for you and your friends.

And again, you refuse to answer the one and only question:

"WILL BRETT CONTINUE TO FORCE EXISTING HOME AND PROPERTY OWNERS ONTO HIS SEWERS TO SUBSIDIZE HIS SUBDIVISION?"

Anonymous said...

"Keep scaring the public that is the only way you fools can ever win your credibility..."

DO YOU MEAN LIKE THIS:

Will you tell your wife or husband that they can't have their life saving surgery because you don't want to sell to a developer because you don't want to hurt your neighbors feelings. Some people need to do what they need to do.

Anonymous said...

I feel only sorrow for you and your friends.

Someone as compassionate as yourself, must really be upset with Brett trying to force others to subsidize his sewers?

Anonymous said...

"running to get another republican out of office."

Tell Beckley that!!!

Anonymous said...

Desolve the Dearborn County regional? Sewer District (DCrSD) NOW!
The DCrSD with $4+million of taxpayer money earmarked for fixing mainly the High Ridge sewage overflow into South Hogan Creek, is the only thing the relator/developer have to confiscate your tax dollars silently. There is no need for another regional sewer district in Dearborn county.
No sewage capacity and a couple of insider projects evolving does not make a Regional sewer district.
Desolve the DCrSD NOW! Before it's too late!

Anonymous said...

"a couple of insider projects evolving..."

This is all the DCRSD is about!

Anonymous said...

"WILL BRETT CONTINUE TO FORCE EXISTING HOME AND PROPERTY OWNERS ONTO HIS SEWERS TO SUBSIDIZE HIS SUBDIVISION?"

Of course he will!

He cannot afford to do otherwise!

He needs the rest of us to basically put up our homes as collateral for his sewers!

TGIF said...

I know that below might be a bit long be everyone needs to read this. It is posted on MSN.com under the cause "Stop Global Warming". This is for those who believe the residential should be 5 acres or more per house. High density should be used more in this county to save the farm land.

"Ever wonder what the greenest place is in all the United States? While images of a grass-roofed yurt occupied by back-to-the-landers in rural Montana might spring to mind, it's really quite the opposite. While we might note them for their density and smog, the greenest places in the United States are our urban areas.



There are a number of reasons why urban areas offer the potential for a greener lifestyle. They're dense, meaning people use less land, occupy smaller living quarters and use fewer natural resources. They're home to better public transit systems and, even better, they're more walkable. They consist of a more diverse mix of buildings — houses, row homes, apartments, stores and office buildings are all within the same neighborhood. And they reduce the need to drive, meaning fewer resources have to go into cars, highways and parking lots.



But since the end of World War II, Americans have been moving farther and farther from urban centers, setting up large, resource-intensive homes on big plots of land in sprawling suburbs. We've built highways linking up these homes with jobs and shopping malls, and we’ve made cars a central part of the American way of life. Facilitated by rising income and cheap oil, America spread out, and in doing so helped make us the world's biggest emitter of carbon dioxide. Automobiles are the second-largest contributor to global warming, accounting for 1.5 billion tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere each year, and the energy used to power massive suburban American homes alone accounts for eight percent of all the world's emissions. What would the world be like if we could cut each of our carbon footprints in half simply by changing the structure of where we live?



This is one of the central questions posed by those involved in the New Urbanism movement, a growing body of architects, engineers, city planners, environmentalists and politicians who are working to make the United States a more sustainable place. New Urbanism seeks to reorganize communities into more compact, manageable, diverse and environmentally sound urban centers that will help reduce our consumption of resources and need for cars, while making them safer, healthier, more sustainable and possibly even happier places to live."

Anonymous said...

"He needs the rest of us to basically put up our homes as collateral for his sewers!"

And in this housing market, try selling your home with an additional tens of thousands of dollars in "hook-up" fees to recoup from the sale of your house!

Brett is willing to leave us all high and dry, just so he can make a few more bucks per home in his subdivision!

His parents need to step up and step in!

He is ruining the Fehrman name and reputation!

Anonymous said...

"New Urbanism movement"

These realtor/developers need to remain in the big cities and let the suburban areas develope at a snails pace. That should satisfy all the "greenies" whom would put up barracks or wards like prisions for most of the people. Think how much the developers could make if they built a public shower and bathroom area for every 100 condos.

Anonymous said...

Tgif, if Fehrman has his way, he would spread subdivisions throughout this County, especially if he could get existing home and property owners to buffer the costs of sewering his unrestrained sprawl!

Brett's idea is to further spread concentrations of homes to established communities without the resourses or infrastructure to accept such growth.

Brett's only criteria for a subdivision or like development, is the ability to purchase "affordable" farm land and then have it rezoned to fit his bottom line!

Anonymous said...

"New Urbanism seeks to reorganize communities into more compact, manageable, diverse and environmentally sound urban centers..."

Without commercial development given priority over residential development, all these residential developments spread out throught the County would just lead to more pollution, more fuel waste, overcrowed schools and local infrastructures tasked to their breaking points!

Anonymous said...

and let the suburban areas develope at a snails pace.

Or at least at a pace developers can afford within the constraits of existing infrastructure and with no coerced financial contributions from existing property owners!

Anonymous said...

"This is for those who believe the residential should be 5 acres or more per house."

Face it, the realtor/developer attack on larger parcels of land per home, is based solely on profit! Period!

Instead of having one home per five acres, they would have 20 homes per acre...

...acre after acre after acre!!!

Anonymous said...

What does Brett have in common with the "New Urbanism?"

Nothing!

He has no plans other than to drop a subdivision in a hay field!

He has not even planned far enough ahead to finance the infrastructure for his subdivision short of abusing the political process to force others to "chip in" for his sewers!!!

Will "New Urbanism" be Brett's next phony altruistic charade, as was his claim that his subdivision would somehow pay for the new jail?

Anonymous said...

How would you like to own the farm adjacent to a communtity based upon "New Urbanism" and not being able to sell it and get the hell away from these loonies because development of your farm would not be "at peace" with the over all "New Urbanismists" plans for your property!

Basically, you would be forced to "maintain" your "greenspace" because of the value of it gives this new high brow type of subdivision!

And yet, first and foremost, it is still just a subivision!

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure how a subdivision of tract houses differs much from a "New Urbanism" type of subdivision.

In the end, the only difference would be the amount of Brie Cheese and quiche one communty consumes over the other!

If I have to subsidize either to make a developer a few more bucks, I would decline to be entusiastic about one over the other!

Anonymous said...

I read this blog with the understanding that the majority of the discussion is all driven by distressful emotion. Is there anything positive about Dearborn County. Can somebody that has just an absolute problem with Brett Fehrman, Government, DCEDI, the Chamber of Commerce, forced sewer hookups, realtor/developers, secret meetings, subdivisions, Mike Rozow, Jim West and just people in general tell me a positive statement. I want grown- up dialog. Is this possible?

cc said...

How's this for positive:

Dearborn County is one of the most beautiful places on earth. We have some spectacular views of the river valley, we have quaint country churches, we have historical areas, we have gently rolling hills and forests teeming with wildlife.
We also have small towns where communities have been known to pull together when necessary. Walk along any street in the county and drivers will wave- whether they know you ar not.
Raising children in the county is easier. You can take them out on Halloween and not feel unsafe. There are small towns like Grendale that really get into Halloween.
On Friday or Sat nights you can see many neighbors and friends at local high school ball games.
We have many amenities associated with larger communities and those we don't have are only about 30-40 minutes away.
If you want to live a non-materialistic life style you can do it here.
Dearborn County is one of the best kept "secrets" in teh tri-state.

Anonymous said...

If you want a blog with "grown up" dialog, I advise you to go somewhere else.

cc said...

There's room for all different kinds of dialogue on the blog. Perhaps we can respectfully disagree and still enlighten each other.
The closed minds are the ones not willing to read or write or think about issues and concerns. Blogs are for open minds- or at least people willing to entertain another person's idea.
Think of it as a town square or a community pub without the beer. (Or maybe as some have shown late at night- with the beer!)

Anonymous said...

worse criminals Ralph will know did he spend time there???????????????/

Anonymous said...

If you want a blog with "grown up" dialog, I advise you to go somewhere else.

This public service announcement brought to you by realtor/developers whose usual high-minded response to legitmate questions is to invoke the "Boogy Man!"

Anonymous said...

The development faction of Dearborn County desires "no dialog."

Which is why they desire to have no diversity on the County Commissions, Councils or Boards.

Look how development tools reacted to the election of one non-development candidate last year!

The only debate these development tools wish, is to "debate" how much the rest of us should pay to further along their profits!

Our local realtor/developers could start their own blog, but we all know that the only ones permitted to post on such would be development shills and cheerleaders. So they would rather moan and complain about this site, that is "open" to the public!

"Open" to the public just scares the pants off these folks!!!

Anonymous said...

"Can somebody that has just an absolute problem with Brett Fehrman..."


For the umpteenth time, how about answering the question:


"WILL BRETT CONTINUE TO FORCE EXISTING HOME AND PROPERTY OWNERS ONTO HIS SEWERS TO SUBSIDIZE HIS SUBDIVISION?"


Your need to continually side-step this question belays your actual longing for no discussion!

I guess you miss the good ole days of Vera slamming down the gavel when public questions concerning development would begin to get uncomfortable for our local realtor/developers!

Anonymous said...

"WILL BRETT CONTINUE TO FORCE EXISTING HOME AND PROPERTY OWNERS ONTO HIS SEWERS TO SUBSIDIZE HIS SUBDIVISION?"

The answer is obviously YES!

Raise your hands if you want to get loans to pay for Brett's sewers?

Anonymous said...

"I want grown- up dialog. Is this possible?"

Tell this to the realtor/developers whose first response on this particular blog entry was:

Anonymous said...

Bull Shit!

12:55 PM, August 28, 2007



I reckon talk is cheap!!!

Face it, your side does not want dialog, you want complete control of process!

Anonymous said...

"I guess you miss the good ole days of Vera slamming down the gavel when public questions concerning development would begin to get uncomfortable for our local realtor/developers!"


Precisely!

It was the development types that closed down public comment at public meetings and created organizations like the DCEDI that were not open to the public to make plans for our communities, our tax dollars and our lives!

Anonymous said...

"WILL BRETT CONTINUE TO FORCE EXISTING HOME AND PROPERTY OWNERS ONTO HIS SEWERS TO SUBSIDIZE HIS SUBDIVISION?"

Don't hold your breath waiting on an answer.

If Fehrman is permitted to force hook-ups to his sewers there will be absolutely nothing stopping development from leap-frogging accross this County at the expense of existing home and propery owners!

Which is why development types refuse to answer the question!!!

Anonymous said...

For all you who live off the beaten path, thinking you would not see "development" in your lifetimes because of the cost of sewers, in your wildest dreams, did you ever think your local government could become so corrupt as to force you to pay for the sewers of the criminal politically connected?

Anonymous said...

It was refreshing that an individual had made a positive statement and of course there were the ones that cannot get over their problems.

Anonymous said...

"It was refreshing that an individual had made a positive statement and of course there were the ones that cannot get over their problems."

Yeah, that "Bulls@$t" comment at the beginning of the this blog entry just soured the rest of it.

Apparently, unless you give development 150% of what they want, they walk away name calling anyone in sight!!!

Anonymous said...

Anyone here heard about Hankins resigning from DCRSD?

Anonymous said...

Apparently, unless you give development 150% of what they want, they walk away name calling anyone in sight!!!

Development, at least in this County, is more comfortable with dictating rather than dialog!

Anonymous said...

All that hate probably keeps you warm in the winter time.

Anonymous said...

All that hate probably keeps you warm in the winter time.

I don't think the realtor/developers in question are hateful, just overly selfish and greedy!

Anonymous said...

I agree, I know a number of realtors and developers and they would never dream of doing the things Fehrman, Dennerline, Maxwell and that awful helper ant, Benning are planning with the DCRSD!

In fact, the ones I know are great people!

Anonymous said...

Speaking of "dialog," remember the one-way "dialog" offered to those who would be forced onto Brett's sewers:

"GET A LOAN!!!"

Anonymous said...

There are "For Sale" signs growing roots in front of many houses in Dearborn County, but some realtors want us to help them finance entire subdivisions?

I'm thinking that is not very good idea!

HHM said...

".....New Urbanism seeks to reorganize communities into more compact, manageable, diverse and environmentally sound urban centers that will help reduce our consumption of resources and need for cars, while making them safer, healthier, more sustainable and possibly even happier places to live."

If we want to really develop more compact communities and reduce pollution and energy use, then we should quit building subdivisions on in the country, maintain our farms and cluster residences in condos in towns. If this is the answer, then why would the County even need "DCrSD" or for that matter planning and zoning! Farms would be paramount.

And think about the loss of farm land when we are importing tainted food from China, because we can't grow our own.

Here is a very positive concept - preserve our farm land and cluster people in towns, where there already is infrastructure. It will lower the development costs and maybe reduce gasoline consumption, causing those prices to drop (less demand - lower price). It may also mean we can have wholesome healthful food to consume.

Anonymous said...

I for one agree, that it is better to perserve farm land in the first place than to bulldoze farm land and give the subdivisions built on farm land names such as:



Golden Fields

Happy Pastures

Row Crop Acres

Farmers Haven


Show me a subdivision built next to farm 15 years ago and I will show you a subdivision that is now next to a subdivision which is now next to another subdivision!

That is what happened up in West Chester, now look at all the money problems they are going through!

Subdivisions and other developments, built entirely on the premise of "cheap land" with out any other considerations, work out to be the most expensive for the residents in the long run!

Anonymous said...

"...where there already is infrastructure."

If crooked politicians and greedy realtor/developers can force the rest of us to subsidize their infrastructure needs, why should infrastructure even come into play in the planning of subdivision!

Buy the first farm for sale, whether it is 5 hundred yards or 25 miles from existing infrastructure!

The rest of us can just be forced, by operation of law, to subsidize all of the realtor/developer needs!

Anonymous said...

Remember, Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes believe that the property rights of a realtor/developer supercede the property rights of everyone else! If you refuse to get a loan to pay for a realtor/developer's sewers you are viewed as selfish and interfering with the property rights of the realtor/developer!

Anonymous said...

Hey, I just moved here from Ohio
and I want on Bret's sewer , where is his sewer Please someone tell me
The House I bought has a failing septic. Please just tell me when I can hook on to his Sewer.

Anonymous said...

The House I bought has a failing septic. Please just tell me when I can hook on to his Sewer.

Brett only offers his "services" to those who are surrounding his proposed subdivisions.

Brett does not offer "sewer" in the sense most are familar.

He forces his neighbors on to expensive grinder pumps and pressurized sewers.

But, if you do live around one of his subdivisions, not only will you be fortunate enough connect to his sewers, at excavation costs as high as $30,000.00, you get to replace, whatever number of grinder pumps your topography demands every ten years or so, which is their service life, under ideal conditions!

At a current price of about $5,000.00 a pop!

By the way, Brett, does mom and dad pay your internet bills also?

Anonymous said...

Oh! Remember, your sewer rates will only go up, up, up!!!

Every new subdivision Brett can built will be subsidized by his wonderful sewer utility customers!!!

Maybe, you are lucky enough to live near Dillsboro, now there is an honest group of folks without Brett' tendency towards larceny!!!

Good luck!!!

Tell Jan and Bob high for all of us!!!

Anonymous said...

A failing septic bank can be bad...but you have plenty of warning before that happens!

A failing grinder pumps leads to immediate health risks and expensive repairs.

Maybe it will just be a power failure that causes your pump to fail, then you will only have to do what bears do in the woods until power is restored in hours, days or weeks.

Anonymous said...

"Please just tell me when I can hook on to his Sewer."

Congratulations!!!

You are about to play a significant role in building a new jail!!!

Brett so loves us, and his County, he is even willing to “save” us from our functioning septic systems, some of us for a mere $40,000.00 plus ever-increasing monthly fees for life.

Thank you with helping Brett "do good" for all of us!!!

Anonymous said...

IS BRETT FEHRMAN A LITTLE SLOW?

Anonymous said...

So, did Hankins resign from the DCRSD?

Anonymous said...

IS BRETT FEHRMAN A LITTLE SLOW?

Brett is smart enough to get a job at any business establishment his parents own!

Anonymous said...

"The House I bought has a failing septic. Please just tell me when I can hook on to his Sewer."

Have you given any thought of moving to High Ridge Estates?

Rumor has it that their sewer is just "humming" along under Brett's sewage stewardship!

Anonymous said...

The DCRSD so loves the good folks of High Ridge, that they will be offering each and every homeowner their very own "Port-A-Potty" at the get to know your new neighbors "Block Party" for Brett's new subdivision!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"Brett is smart enough to get a job at any business establishment his parents own!"

Ok, you have our entire office laughing at that one! To know Brett, is to know never to over-estimate his abilities!

Anonymous said...

Will someone please tell me where Brett's subdivision is. I am unaware of any lots for sale in
Fehrman Acres or Brett's new division. What sewers does he own? Where are they? Where can I find a list of poor folks on working septics that have been forced on to low pressure sewers? The incessant assasination of this mans character is unbelievable. These constant attacks have to be an attempt to torpedo his Aurora Council candidacy.

Anonymous said...

Oh please!

Unless you live under a rock you know where Brett's proposed subidivision is and also what he plans to do with his relationship with the DCRSD and his intention of forcing hook-ups in order to get the funding for his sewers!

So answer this question if Brett's character is unassailable:

"WILL BRETT CONTINUE TO WITH HIS INTENTIONS OF FORCING EXISTING HOME AND PROPERTY OWNERS ONTO HIS SEWERS TO SUBSIDIZE HIS SUBDIVISION?"

It is question that none of you DCRSD apologists have yet to answer!

And everyone knows why!

Because of Brett's serious conflicts of interests, he needs to step down from the DCRSD's Board!

Do not feel sorry for Brett, feel sorry for those who have to get loans to subsidize Brett!

Brett is treated better here than he is positioning himself to treat the rest of us!

Greed has clouded your eyes and darkened your heart!

Anonymous said...

You know, you're right. I've been lurking on this sight for quite some time and can hold my tongue no longer. The Brett Fehrman I know is a local real estate agent and life long resident who was appointed by Mayor Hastings to represent the City of Aurora as a volunteer on the county sewer board. He is a volunteer member of the Aurora Main Street Assoc. He is a volunteer board member of the Hillforest Mansion and the Aurora Historic Preservation Commission. After all of this he still finds time to serve as a volunteer adult leader for Troop 637, Aurora's Boy Scout Troop. I just don't see any "crooked, criminal, self serving, conflicted, or self enriching" behavior out of this guy. I think it's time for eveyone to lighten up with the personal attacks on this man who gives quite alot of himself to the community. BTW. Bob and Jan, his parents are also respected members of the community. Why are they mention with disrespect on this blog?

Anonymous said...

Dillsboro already offered to take care of High Ridge's sewer but since they were not willing to take on Brett's subdivision...well the rest is history!

The DCRSD was formed to take care of High Ridge's problems.

Now the DCRSD is just another problem for High Ridge!

Anonymous said...

Brett does no public service that does not go directly on his resume!

Brett is taking advantage of the truly good folks of High Ridge Estates and the their neighbors to line his pockets!

Show some compassion for those Brett plans to place tens of thousands of dollars in debt, for no other reason than his greed and his need to be a player!

Anonymous said...

Wow Brett is such a nice guy. I will go to the bank tommorrow and take out a loan to subsidize his subdivision! He won't even need to have Frank Kramer, Lisa Lehner of L. Parvin Price sue me for my share of his dreams!

Anonymous said...

The ones who should be apologizing are the residents of Highridge who have been polluting South Hogan Creek (a once clean and good recreational waterway) with their household filth ever since Draper went belly up.

Anonymous said...

"Why are they mention with disrespect on this blog?"

The earned disrespect is for their son...

...the feelings toward his parents are that of those one has of a parent or parents who let their children run wild, with little or no supervision!

As far as his election attempt for Aurora City Council, it is his "wide stance" that will bring himself down!

Anonymous said...

"Why are they mention with disrespect on this blog?"

The earned disrespect is for their son...

...the feelings toward his parents are that of those one has of a parent or parents who let their children run wild, with little or no supervision!

As far as his election attempt for Aurora City Council, it is his "wide stance" that will bring himself down!

Anonymous said...

"Why are they mention with disrespect on this blog?"

The earned disrespect is for their son...

...the feelings toward his parents are that of those one has of a parent or parents who let their children run wild, with little or no supervision!

As far as his election attempt for Aurora City Council, it is his "wide stance" that will bring himself down!

Anonymous said...

Ethics. Repeat that word, study that word, and understand the full meaning of that word. Do the locals in the real estate offices know the concept, do the locals on the council, how about on all the county boards? Does anyone understand the concept and the meaning of ethics?

Anonymous said...

The ones who should be apologizing are the residents of Highridge who have been polluting South Hogan Creek (a once clean and good recreational waterway) with their household filth ever since Draper went belly up.

And the DCRSD was tasked with fixing the High Ridge problem, but sadly, it is headed up by folks too busy with their own financial agendas!

Now, the DCRSD desires to force the rest of us to "chip in" to better the bottom lines of a handful of realtor/developers in our County!

Anonymous said...

Ethics and Brett and friends is a contradiction in terms!

Anonymous said...

Brett is shooting to be the "Draper" of the current development era!

Anonymous said...

Ethical people try to avoid the even the appearance of impropriety.

Fehrman, Maxwell, Dennerline and others, seem to relish rolling in the pig swill of impropriety!

Anonymous said...

Brett is such a fine citizen, he should have no problem whatsoever in getting a second job to pay for his sewers!

Better him than me!

Call me selfish!

Anonymous said...

And we all are to feel compassion for Brett, while he, nor his supporters on this blog, have not one kind word to say about the poor folks who may lose their homes because they cannot afford to hook up to Brett's sewers!

Money! Money! Money!

This is all they care about!

Anonymous said...

It really is quite simply for Fehrman to prove to all that his position on the DCRSD" Board is not about his self-interest at the expense of others:

HE NEEDS TO COME OUT PUBLICLY AND STATE HE WILL NOT SUPPORT ENFORCED SEWER HOOK-UPS!

Something he, nor his supporters, seem willing to do!

Why?

Anonymous said...

Why?

Because it would get in the way of their profits, pure and simple!

Anonymous said...

"...and can hold my tongue no longer."

You and others, would have been better served, if you would have wagged your tongue quite a bit earlier before Brett's plans for the rest of us became public!

You might have saved Brett from embarassing himself and causing untold emotional harm to others!

Anonymous said...

"I think it's time for eveyone to lighten up with the personal attacks on this man who gives quite alot of himself to the community."

Maybe it's about time you got to know all those fine, decent people and their children, who will be forced to go to banks to get loans or lose their homes to support your good friend Brett!!!

Dracula said...

"I read this blog with the understanding that the majority of the discussion is all driven by distressful emotion. Is there anything positive about Dearborn County. Can somebody that has just an absolute problem with Brett Fehrman, Government, DCEDI, the Chamber of Commerce, forced sewer hookups, realtor/developers, secret meetings, subdivisions, Mike Rozow, Jim West and just people in general tell me a positive statement. I want grown- up dialog. Is this possible?"

Positive statement? Yeah, sure IT'S DAMNED NICE THE WAY IT IS. Let go; go open you bottle of chardonnay and get a life. What part of IT'S DAMNED NICE THE WAY IT IS that you don't understand?.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I just moved here from Ohio
and I want on Bret's sewer , where is his sewer Please someone tell me
The House I bought has a failing septic. Please just tell me when I can hook on to his Sewer

1. Did you know that it was failing when you bought it?

2. Go get the damned thing fixed.

Anonymous said...

And still not one word of concern from Brett or his enablers on this blog about the folks who will be forced into great debt because of Brett's greed!

Speaks volumes to as to the priorities of these types of people!

These folks just want the rest of us to just shut up about Brett's plan, so they can further their agendas under the radar screen!

As long as they make a buck, they could care less as to the collateral damage to the rest of us!

Anonymous said...

Is there anything positive about Dearborn County.


Funny, if we are against bulldozing and blacktopping the entire county we are viewed as not seeing anything positive about the county by our local realtor/developers!

I would say that says more about the negative views toward our county of the realtor/developers, not those of us who cherish the county as it is!

Anonymous said...

One positive note. The VRUC BOD signed a contract with Greendale to use existing sewage infostructure at SDRSD through Greendale. That contract stopped the realtor/developer drain, several million dollars, of taxpayer dollars. If DCrSD and VRUC would have signed a contract, it would have established the DCrSD as a viable entity and furthered their validity. In the end would have been hard to estimate how much it would have cost the taxpayers.
I credit this blog with bringing the VRUC and other realtor/developer issues into the open where citizens can get an understanding of what's happening.

Thanks Chris.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Chris!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's about time you got to know all those fine, decent people and their children, who will be forced to go to banks to get loans or lose their homes to support your good friend Brett!!!

Good folks who do good works with out having to catalog their good deeds to everyone they meet, like someone we all know!

Anonymous said...

"I think it's time for eveyone to lighten up with the personal attacks on this man who gives quite alot of himself to the community."


Like this Guy?:

While in Springfield, he became involved in several organizations that served the community: the Chi Rho Club where he was membership chairman, the Catholic Inter-Club Council where he was a member of the board, The Federal Civil Defense for Illinois, the Chicago Civil Defense where he was a commanding captain, the Holy Name Society where he was named an officer and the Jaycees where he devoted most of his time to and eventually became first vice-president and "Man of the Year."

JOHN WAYNE GACY

P.S. He also liked to dress up like a clown and entertain children!

Anonymous said...

Personal attacks?

Is their anything that could possibly be considered more "personal" than stealing a family's savings for the "personal" interests and selfish benefit of a realtor/developer/public official?

Anonymous said...

"Is their anything that could possibly be considered more "personal" than stealing a family's savings for the "personal" interests and selfish benefit of a realtor/developer/public official?"

I don't see how you honestly think that Brett is stealing money from anyone. He is not the developer of the subdivision everyone is talking about. Also you need to send you letters of concerns to IDEM for the provision of allowing Sewer districts the right to force people to hook up to the sewers.

The hook ups are not a means for the developer to not pay for the sewer extension. If a developer wants sewer they pay for the extension.

Also one of the only things this blog does is bring out the crazies from there holes who live in this county.

"2. Go get the damned thing fixed."

The person already stated they were going to fix the problem by connecting into the new sewer line. Were you not reading everything?

Anonymous said...

"The hook ups are not a means for the developer to not pay for the sewer extension. If a developer wants sewer they pay for the extension."

I'd like to see this happen. From my understanding the "potential" developer of the Gabbard estates offered a LOAN to DCSD, they did not offer to pay for the sewer line to connect the developement. Maybe they will PAY for the upgrade necessary to build the line to the necessay size to accomodate the 150 extra houses. Not loan DCSD the money.
The next item, about Idem not wanting to allow the new sewer to flow through Aurora's system. Maybe if only High Ridge was the only flow IDEM would allow it. I'd say IDEM does'nt want all the new realtor/developer flows going through Aurora before Aurora repairs their system to curtail their I&I .

Anonymous said...

" Also you need to send you letters of concerns to IDEM for the provision of allowing Sewer districts the right to force people to hook up to the sewers."


More lies from Brett's enablers!

Dillsboro is not forcing hook-ups!

The SDRSD is not forcing hook-ups!

Greendale is not forcing hook-ups!

The only local Board trying to force hook-ups is the Board Brett is a Board Member on!

Nowhere in the IDEM language does it say "shall" force hook-ups!

Brett and his cadre are just pissing themselves to force hook-ups to subsidize the cost, if not the very idea, of sewers so far from existing infrastructure!

Forced hook-ups are the only collateral the non-entity DCRSD has to show a bond bank!!!

Read the reports of the DCRSD, quoting Attorney Frank Kramer as far as no hook-ups, no-money, no way to go forward!!!

Finally, all Brett needs to do is state he will not support forced hook-ups to show where he stands!

But like his enablers, his sincerity is nothing but smoke, mirrors and mis-direction!

This blog has brought out the facts of what is going on in this County!

The DCRSD has brought out the crooks!!!!!!!

And it just perturbs the crooks to no end that they can no longer steal in private!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Brett as a DCRSD Board member is forcing Brett to force hook-ups...and he is just taking advantage of the fact DCRSD district forcing hook-ups to subsidize his sewers?

This circular, ass-back defense will not fly, even for the most gullible in this County?

The DCRSD was formed to fix High Ridge.

Brett and his fellow crooks jumped at the opportunity as a ruse to sewer his and other realtor and developers' subidivisions and other developments!

To date: High Ridge is in the same predicament it was in before the formation of the DCRSD!

Anonymous said...

Folks, you don't have to rely on this blog for the facts.

Speak to the folks in Dillsboro and at the SDRSD, they will tell you why High Ridge is not getting sewered!

And it has everything to do with a crooked realtor/developer!

Anonymous said...

The IDEM, with their sloppy regulatory language "permits" but does not "demand" that the DCRSD steal from citizens and taxpayers to subisidize Brett's sewers...

...so the DCRSD steals from from citizens and taxpayers to subisidize Brett's sewers!

Gotta love those crooks looking for every loophole to ply their trade!

Anonymous said...

Keep trying Brett!

But your finger prints are all over the "forced hookup" theft!

Anonymous said...

What excuse are we going to hear next?

That Brett was kidnapped, drugged and found himself on the DCRSD Board pushing for "forced hook-ups, somehow, against his will?"

Anonymous said...

Yeah!

Poor Fehrman is just a victim of circumstances!

Anonymous said...

Dearborn County Council has awoken to what the DCRSD is all about.

Or so some on the Dearborn County Council have told us!

Relieve Fox and Hughes from their positions of being poor yokels, too easily led, influenced and impressed, by a handful of politically connected movers and shakers, and we will see a reprieve from the assault and battery of the Dearborn County taxpayer committed by the greedy few in this County!

Anonymous said...

If you all think Brett is such a great guy, you may wish to talk to the business owners in Aurora, that have been impacted by some of Brett's actions.

You might find a very interesting view of Brett and all his altruistic activities.

Anonymous said...

Brett is a dull, somewhat dimwitted, calculating operator... who cannot function in polite society without working an "angle!" Which is why he feels the need to ingratiate himself with his “betters” to mask his true, if not lackluster, intentions to somehow make a dollar apart from his parent’s charity.

Anonymous said...

From my understanding the "potential" developer of the Gabbard estates offered a LOAN to DCSD, they did not offer to pay for the sewer line to connect the developement.

A LOAN that will be paid back to the developer by the rest of us FORCED onto his sewers via ever increasing sewer rates!

Hell, the line to his development can only come from a treatment plant paid by FORCED hook-ups, for the developers benefit at our expense!!!

Anonymous said...

We are in a market cycle where existing homes are not selling. Now the realtor and developers of this County want the rest of us to subsidize the building of more homes and subdivisions?

Where is the business sense!

Why should existing home and property owners have to get loans to ease the way for profits to the realtors and developers?

Anonymous said...

The hook ups are not a means for the developer to not pay for the sewer extension. If a developer wants sewer they pay for the extension.

Oh please!!!

The forced hookups are the means to pay for the sewers in the first place!!!

You people have no shame!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

There are some in business that only think of themselves and will do anything to make a dollar. There are others in business who plan to stay in business and do things "the right way". Many look at only short term rewards and not long terms rewards. It all comes down to ethics. If this county promoted ethics there would be a lot less people in office because they only think of themselves. To run for office to take advantage of the county health insurance is not right. Those that are in office to respresent taxpayers are there for the only reason "ethically" to be in office. When there are games played and hidden agendas it only hurts the taxpayers in the end.

Anonymous said...

The hook ups are not a means for the developer to not pay for the sewer extension. If a developer wants sewer they pay for the extension.

Hook up to what sewer?

Where will the funds come from to pay for such sewer?

Are developers pooling their resourses to build this sewer?

Tell us all who will ultimately pay for your sewer?

Volunteers or the coerced?

Anonymous said...

The person already stated they were going to fix the problem by connecting into the new sewer line. Were you not reading everything?

Are you not able to understand the sarcasm of the "I wanna hook up to Brett's sewer" post?

It was Brett, or one of his "foot tapping" and "stall peeping" significant others, posting such smart ass remark!

Anonymous said...

To date: High Ridge is in the same predicament it was in before the formation of the DCRSD!

Not necessarily, now that Brett did his part to get Dennerline what he wanted, at the taxpayers'
expense, Dennerline is now suggesting the County "just" buy-out High Ridge, in that its very existence is getting in way of Brett's subidvision and his needed sewers, to be financed at the taxpayers' expense!!!

Anonymous said...

FORCED HOOK-UPS = THEFT

NO MATTER HOW SOME OF YOU WANT TO RATIONALIZE IT!

Anonymous said...

NO MATTER HOW SOME OF YOU WANT TO RATIONALIZE IT!

But Brett is such a nice boy, Boy Scout and all!

He has just been hanging around the wrong crowd, like those "Bad Boys" such as Little Rodney Dennerline and that that Devil and Misanthrope, Johnny Maxwell!