Thursday, August 09, 2007

Greendale Council Approved Proposed Contract with VRUC

AGREEMENT

This Agreement is executed by the City of Greendale (“Greendale”) and the Valley Rural Utility Company (“VRUC”) in order to facilitate the provision of wastewater collection, treatment, and disposal service for unincorporated Dearborn County and in order to provide water service for VRUC’s customers. This Agreement is premised on the following recitals:

A. Greendale is a municipality in the State of Indiana. Greendale provides sewer collection and treatment service and water treatment and distribution service in and around its corporate limits.

B. Wastewater collected by Greendale is treated at the South Dearborn Regional Sewer District (‘South Dearborn”) plant. Pursuant to a contract among South Dearborn, Greendale, the Cities of Lawrenceburg (“Lawrenceburg”) and Aurora (“Aurora”), and Pernod Ricard USA (Seagrams), the contracting parties Greendale, Lawrenceburg, Aurora and Seagrams each own defined capacity in the South Dearborn treatment plant. A copy of that contract is attached hereto as Exhibit A (the “South Dearborn Contract”).

C. VRUC is a public utility and a sewage disposal company pursuant to I.C. 8-1-2-89, possessing certificates of territorial authority (“CTAs”) to provide sewage disposal service in certain unincorporated areas of Dearborn County issued by the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission (“IURC”). VRUC is also a water utility.

D. VRUC’s most recent sewer CTA was issued pursuant to an order of the IURC issued July 6, 2005 in Cause No. 42673 (the “Expansion Territory”). The Expansion Territory is shown in yellow on the map attached hereto as Exhibit B. Greendale is presently providing sewage utility service to the Sugar Ridge Development in the Expansion Territory, but the balance of the Expansion Territory is presently unserved. Unless Greendale provides the treatment capacity, VRUC is incapable of providing sewer service to the Expansion Territory. Greendale has sewer facilities in the immediate vicinity of the unserved portions of the Expansion Territory, and the Expansion Territory lies within the area to which Greendale is lawfully authorized to provide sewer service.

E. For the most part VRUC’s sewer service consists of service to the platted subdivision known as Hidden Valley Lake (“HVL”). Except for a few customers who are already connected and being served as of the date of this Agreement, VRUC’s existing service area (the “Existing Service Area”) is shown in green on the map attached as Exhibit B. The Existing Service Area does not include the area shown in pink on Exhibit B except to the extent of customers who are already connected and being served as of the date of this Agreement. Treatment for wastewater collected by VRUC is provided through Greendale at the South Dearborn treatment plant. At one time this service was provided pursuant to an agreement with Greendale, the term of which has since expired. Since the expiration of the term of that agreement, such wastewater treatment service has been provided by Greendale to VRUC pursuant to Greendale’s schedule of sewer rates established by ordinance.

F. Greendale and VRUC desire to enter a new agreement specifying the terms under which Greendale will provide for wastewater treatment service to VRUC and providing for the provision of sewer service to the Expansion Territory.

G. VRUC also provides water service to its members in HVL and a few existing customers located outside HVL, and Greendale provides water service to VRUC for a limited time pursuant to a Settlement Agreement dated October 31, 2005, between the parties. The parties desire to extend the duration and further define the terms for such water service.

NOW THEREFORE the parties agree as follows:

1. For a period of thirty (30) years commencing from the date of this Agreement, Greendale shall provide sewer service to VRUC for all wastewater collected by VRUC in the Existing Service Area (the Existing Service Area shown in green on Exhibit B plus other customers who are already connected and being served as of the date of this Agreement) pursuant to the following terms:

(a) For the entire 30-year period, VRUC will deliver to Greendale at the current point of interconnection all wastewater collected by VRUC in the Existing Service Area.

(b) Greendale shall charge VRUC for all wastewater delivered a rate of $2.18 per 1,000 gallons, which rate may be changed from time to time by ordinance subject to the following limitation: any changes to the rate will be made at the same time Greendale changes all of its sewer rates based upon volumetric water usage and must be made in the same percentage as Greendale changes such rates generally applicable within the corporate limits of Greendale.

(c) For all new connections or new construction or remodeling of existing construction producing additional wastewater flow in the Existing Service Area, VRUC shall pay the Greendale system development charge per equivalent dwelling unit pursuant to Greendale Municipal Code § 53.15(B).

(d) The service provided pursuant to this paragraph shall be construed as a requirements contract. During the thirty (30) year period, VRUC shall not displace the wastewater treatment service provided by Greendale under this paragraph by building its own sewage treatment capacity or contracting with any other person or entity for wastewater treatment service to the Existing Service Area.

(e) VRUC shall not deliver to Greendale quantities of wastewater in excess of Greendale’s capacity to accept, treat, and transport such wastewater.

2. VRUC agrees that VRUC and all VRUC customers shall be subject to such sewer use ordinances that Greendale may adopt on a nondiscriminatory basis and which are consistent with the definition of “Sewer Usage Ordinance” in Sec. 1.35 of the South Dearborn Contract and with the requirements of Section 4 of the South Dearborn Contract.

3. For a period of the longer of (a) twelve years from the date of this Agreement or (b) with respect to each Subdivision (as defined herein), when that Subdivision has been annexed into Greendale, VRUC shall be the wastewater treatment provider for the Expansion Territory exclusive of Sugar Ridge Development (the “Subdivisions”) pursuant to the terms of this Agreement. Each “Subdivision” within the “Subdivisions” shall refer to each particular platted subdivision development within the Subdivisions. VRUC shall provide such service only pursuant to the terms of this Agreement and shall not serve the Subdivisions through any other means. Developers of the Subdivisions shall construct sewer lines, pumps, valves, appurtenances, and such other sewer facilities necessary to serve the respective developments and connect them to Greendale’s existing sewer lines. To the extent recoupment and/or reimbursement may be owed to other customers and/or developers related to the facilities to which such sewer facilities will connect, the Developers must agree to pay such recoupment and/or reimbursement. The design and construction of these sewer facilities shall be subject to Greendale’s reasonable approvals. Upon completion of construction, the ownership of the sewer mains, pumps, valves, appurtenances, and other sewer facilities to serve the respective developments will be dedicated by the developer(s) to Greendale, subject to a lease of such facilities to VRUC for a period of the longer of (a) twelve (12) years from the date of this Agreement or (b) with respect to each Subdivision, when that Subdivision has been annexed into Greendale. Upon such dedication and acceptance, Greendale shall commence serving these customers directly as the agent of VRUC. No rent will be owed by VRUC or otherwise for such lease, but VRUC will hold such leasehold interest pursuant to this Agreement throughout the period of the lease as set forth in this paragraph. Upon the termination of the lease, these customers shall become direct customers of Greendale and VRUC shall no longer have the right to serve them.

4. Greendale’s sewer service to these customers in the Subdivisions will be commensurate with the service and level of service Greendale provides its own customers. Greendale shall be responsible for all aspects of service, including maintenance, repairs, capital improvements (as necessary), customer service, billing, and collecting of payments. The treatment capacity to serve the Subdivisions will be provided from Greendale’s capacity in the South Dearborn treatment plant. The wastewater flow from the Subdivisions shall not be subject to the volumetric rate provided in Paragraph 1.(b) of this Agreement.

5. Throughout the term of this Agreement, VRUC’s generally applicable schedule of rates as approved by the IURC shall apply to service provided to the Subdivisions. Greendale shall bill and collect from customers in the Subdivisions VRUC’s rates and charges so approved for VRUC.

6. For all new connections or new construction or remodeling of existing construction producing additional flow in the Subdivisions, VRUC shall pay the Greendale system development charge per equivalent dwelling unit pursuant to Greendale Municipal Code § 53.15(B).

7. As compensation for operating and maintaining the system and providing service on a contract basis to the Subdivisions as provided herein, Greendale shall receive the portion of the receipts from customers in the Subdivisions which is equivalent to the rates and charges that would have applied and been collected as if the customers were direct customers of Greendale. On a daily basis, Greendale will deposit all funds collected from customers in the Subdivisions into an account in VRUC’s name with a financial institution in Greendale or Lawrenceburg. On a monthly basis, Greendale shall provide a report showing all funds collected, the portion of the funds collected which represents Greendale’s compensation hereunder, and the remainder which is VRUC’s portion. Within five (5) days of receipt of such report, the VRUC shall transfer to Greendale the portion which represents Greendale’s compensation hereunder as shown on such report. If VRUC fails to pay the amount shown, Greendale may provide thirty (30) days notice to terminate the lease provided in Paragraph 3 of this Agreement. If VRUC has not paid in full by the conclusion of such thirty (30) day period, the lease shall be terminated immediately, the customers in the Subdivisions will become the direct customers of Greendale, and VRUC shall no longer have the right to serve customers in the Subdivisions. In addition to authority to terminate the lease for nonpayment by VRUC, Greendale may offset the amounts due and owing by VRUC against the daily deposits of funds collected from customers in the Subdivisions pursuant to this Paragraph.

8. Pursuant to Ind. Code § 36-9-22-2, Greendale’s contract with the developers of the Subdivisions for the construction of the needed sewer main extensions shall include on behalf of the developer and the developer’s successors in title the waiver of the right to remonstrate in a future annexation by Greendale. The contract will be recorded by Greendale before the sale of lots by the developer. Before being permitted to connect, any customer served by these mains must also waive the right to remonstrate in a future annexation by Greendale.

9. For so long as Greendale is providing sewer service to VRUC, VRUC agrees not to seek to provide sewer service to areas outside the Existing Service Area (shown in green on Exhibit B together with existing customers who were already connected and receiving service as of the date of this Agreement) and outside the Subdivisions as provided herein and not to seek additional or expanded CTAs from the IURC without Greendale’s consent. Greendale will consent to the provision of such service in the area shown in pink on Exhibit B but only pursuant to the same terms set forth in Paragraph 3-8 herein as apply to the Subdivisions. This term shall survive the expiration of the thirty-year period set forth in Paragraph 1 herein and shall continue thereafter for so long as Greendale provides service to VRUC at the conclusion of such period.

10. For a period of thirty (30) years from the date of this Agreement, Greendale shall supply and VRUC shall purchase all of VRUC’s requirements for water to be supplied to VRUC’s existing customers and VRUC’s future customers within HVL. Such service shall be provided at a rate of $1.08 per thousand gallons through October 31, 2007. The rate will change to $1.11 per thousand gallons effective November 1, 2007, and again to $1.15 per thousand gallons effective November 1, 2008. After October 31, 2009, the rate shall be the lowest volumetric rate in Greendale’s rate schedule as established by ordinance. Thereafter, such rate may be changed at such time as Greendale changes all of its volumetric rates for water service and in the same percentage as Greendale changes its volumetric rates for water service generally applicable within the corporate limits of Greendale. Greendale shall not have an obligation to deliver quantities of water in excess of its capability to deliver water to VRUC. In the event of a shortage of water supply, supply may be limited to VRUC on the same terms as such supply is limited to all Greendale customers. VRUC shall be responsible to maintain its own system to maintain minimum pressures and fire flows which VRUC considers to be necessary and adequate. Greendale shall only be obligated to provide water to serve VRUC’s existing customers and VRUC’s future customers within HVL and shall have no obligation to provide VRUC water to serve customers in any other location. VRUC shall not extend its water lines within HVL to serve areas outside HVL. The service provided pursuant to this paragraph shall be construed as a requirements contract. VRUC shall not displace the water service provided by Greendale hereunder by constructing its own source of supply or contracting with any other person or entity for water supply. VRUC may, however, make provision for a redundant source of supply for emergencies or water shortages and shall be permitted to utilize that redundant source of supply as necessary in order to flush lines connecting to said supply.

11. Greendale shall not be liable for an interruption in water or sewer utility service occurring due to circumstances that are outside Greendale’s reasonable control or occurring absent gross negligence on the part of Greendale.

12. Greendale shall be the owner of the water and sewer meters that measure the water and wastewater flow for purposes of the volumetric rates provided in Paragraphs 1 and 10 of this Agreement. Greendale shall have the right and the duty to test, repair and replace such meters in its discretion. Not any more often than once every 12 months, VRUC may request that Greendale test either or both meters. When a meter is found to be inaccurate by greater than 2%, the meter shall be repaired or replaced by Greendale as necessary. Bills for service to VRUC shall be corrected for the period of the inaccuracy, but not for more than one year, by using flows measured from a comparable period.

13. At the conclusion of the thirty (30) year periods provided in Paragraphs 1 and 10, the parties may negotiate new agreements pursuant to terms that are mutually acceptable. In the event new agreements are not negotiated for water and/or sewer service, VRUC may continue to receive water and/or sewer service pursuant to rates and charges duly adopted by ordinance by Greendale for all customers of VRUC who are connected and receiving service as of the conclusion of such thirty (30) year periods. Greendale shall have no obligation to supply water to or to receive wastewater from customers of VRUC who were not connected as of the conclusion of such thirty (30) year periods.

14. Neither party shall have right to assign its interests under this Agreement without the consent of the other party.

15. Each of the undersigned represents that he is duly authorized to execute this Agreement on behalf of the respective party.

__________________________________________
Valley Rural Utility Company

By: ______________________________________
Date:______________________________________

___________________________________________
City of Greendale

By: ________________________________________
Date:_______________________________________



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Anonymous said...

I’m sure that the following provisions drive the realtor/developers connected to the VRUC crazy who want every loophole possible to tap into the residents wallets to provide sewer service for their respective developments!

Such provisions protect the interests of current utility customers, including the residents of HVL from exploitation from development interests on the VRUC:



1(d). The service provided pursuant to this paragraph shall be construed as a requirements contract. During the thirty (30) year period, VRUC shall not displace the wastewater treatment service provided by Greendale under this paragraph by building its own sewage treatment capacity or contracting with any other person or entity for wastewater treatment service to the Existing Service Area.

6. For all new connections or new construction or remodeling of existing construction producing additional flow in the Subdivisions, VRUC shall pay the Greendale system development charge per equivalent dwelling unit pursuant to Greendale Municipal Code § 53.15(B).

9. For so long as Greendale is providing sewer service to VRUC, VRUC agrees not to seek to provide sewer service to areas outside the Existing Service Area (shown in green on Exhibit B together with existing customers who were already connected and receiving service as of the date of this Agreement) and outside the Subdivisions as provided herein and not to seek additional or expanded CTAs from the IURC without Greendale’s consent. Greendale will consent to the provision of such service in the area shown in pink on Exhibit B but only pursuant to the same terms set forth in Paragraph 3-8 herein as apply to the Subdivisions. This term shall survive the expiration of the thirty-year period set forth in Paragraph 1 herein and shall continue thereafter for so long as Greendale provides service to VRUC at the conclusion of such period.

Anonymous said...

This is what the new members, Arduin, Beeler and Ziegler, of the VRUC have accomplished! What has the old order accomplished?

Waiting for criticism of the contract by Bittner, Sypniewski, Armbrect and Hensley.

Anonymous said...

Greendale certainly does not share the DCRSD's propensity to place the burden of development costs on the existing utility customer or existing property owners already on septic systems!

Hey! Doug Baer!

This is how honest public servants "serve" the public and not just development interests!!!

Anonymous said...

And the "Old Guard" of the VRUC is praying that the DCRSD rides to their rescue, suing Greendale to permit the DCRSD to provide sewer service at 6 to 7 times the cost of this contract, not including the cost of water, which is included in the Greendale deal!

Anonymous said...

"(b) Greendale shall charge VRUC for all wastewater delivered a rate of $2.18 per 1,000 gallons, which rate may be changed from time to time by ordinance subject to the following limitation: any changes to the rate will be made at the same time Greendale changes all of its sewer rates based upon volumetric water usage and must be made in the same percentage as Greendale changes such rates generally applicable within the corporate limits of Greendale. "

"10. For a period of thirty (30) years from the date of this Agreement, Greendale shall supply and VRUC shall purchase all of VRUC’s requirements for water to be supplied to VRUC’s existing customers and VRUC’s future customers within HVL. Such service shall be provided at a rate of $1.08 per thousand gallons through October 31, 2007. The rate will change to $1.11 per thousand gallons effective November 1, 2007, and again to $1.15 per thousand gallons effective November 1, 2008. After October 31, 2009, the rate shall be the lowest volumetric rate in Greendale’s rate schedule as established by ordinance. Thereafter, such rate may be changed at such time as Greendale changes all of its volumetric rates for water service and in the same percentage as Greendale changes its volumetric rates for water service generally applicable within the corporate limits of Greendale. ....."

Here are the figures - true to what has been being said by the folks adamantly urging acceptance of the contract.

Now, what more fiction can you senior 4 VRUC board members conger up?

Anonymous said...

The VRUC "Old Guard" truly hate "development fees!"

Sammy and Friends hate "development fees" because of their very premise that development should pay the full marginal cost of providing facilities necessary to accommodate their respective developments.

Sammy and Friends demand that all existing HVL residents absorb all added utility costs of Sammy and Friends' developments!

And the DCRSD is of like mind with the VRUC "Old Guard!"

Only worse!

The DCRSD would force all surround property owners on working septic system on to grinder pumps and pressurized sewers, regardless of the costs to the existing property owners, to subsidize more development!!!

Anonymous said...

Now the HVL members know the costs projected in the contract. These are the same costs as we have been paying for the last several years or more.

No wonder our fees haven't gone up since the inception of VRUC - check your bills and see what you have been paying. VRUC's outstanding loans and bonds are not paid off and our infrastructure is failing and left in a sad state of neglect. Where's the money?!?!?

Anonymous said...

"Now, what more fiction can you senior 4 VRUC board members conger up?"

The criminally insane do like to tell "stories!"

Anonymous said...

"Where's the money?!?!?"

Maybe we could get L. Parvin Price to send us a few pictures of all the "stuff" we bought him?

Anonymous said...

The "Old Guard" want to pretend they are "Players" in the local Development Industry!

Problem is, they are "Playing" with other peoples' money!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

It took only 23 minutes for you freaks to start your "stupid talk" about developers/realtors and sewer hookups.

What do you do for a living?

Anonymous said...

"What do you do for a living?"

I don't steal from neighbors to support my income or lifestyle, which is precisely what the Fehrmans, Bittners and Sammys of this County want to do!

And I guess you would call the mugged man on the street a "FREAK" if he should yell:

"STOP THIEF!!!"

Anonymous said...

It took only 23 minutes for you freaks to start your "stupid talk" about developers/realtors and sewer hookups.

What do you do for a living?


You slimeballs just hate the fact that you cannot pull off your crap in your usual back-offices behind your usual closed-doors any more!

Here is a novel approach, most of us who need more capital for our business interests, we gather it ourselves, through loans, etc.

We do not go to our local politicians or sewer boards to encourage them to force and enforce our neighbors to participate in a capital investment scheme for our personal projects!

Anonymous said...

Greendale is offering a service at a reasonable price.

The VRUC is offering us a chance to invest in the futures of a few realtor/developers!

Anonymous said...

Maxwell said he will get on the phone with Bittner from his own perspective.

Hankins said he will call Hensley, Spyniewski and Arbrecht.


Did you "Old Guard" fools recieve your personalized phone calls as of yet?

Or do you need Moses himself to come down from the mountain and tell all four of you that you are out of your "freaking" minds?

Anonymous said...

Greendale is a utility Company.

The VRUC and the DCRSD are extortion rackets.

tjaw said...

This contract took the effort and cooperation of both the new and old members of the VRUC board, Greendale officials and many other residents of HVL. Congratulations to all of you.

As for the conspiracy theorists, please give it a rest.

Anonymous said...

As for the conspiracy theorists, please give it a rest.

So says the resident VRUC apologist!

What you fail to acknowledge is that the "Old Guard" would not sign this contract!

You VRUC hacks just cannot shoot straight nor be truthful!

Anonymous said...

"This contract took the effort and cooperation of both the new and old members of the VRUC board, Greendale officials and many other residents of HVL. Congratulations to all of you."

WHAT!!!

THIS IS THE CONTRACT THAT BITTNER, SYPNIEWSKI, ARMBRECT AND HENSLEY REFUSED TO SIGN!!!

SO CONGRATULATIONS MAY GO OUT TO A LOT OF FOLKS INVOLVED IN THIS CONTRACT BUT NOT BITTNER, SYPNIEWSKI, ARMBRECT AND HENSLY!!!

Anonymous said...

Now we are to commend the old guard for a contract they keep queering. The mentally unstable continue to cheerlead for the VRUC!

Anonymous said...

"tjaw said...

This contract took the effort and cooperation of both the new and old members of the VRUC board, Greendale officials and many other residents of HVL. Congratulations to all of you."

You need to check your crystal ball again! The senior four have avoided negotiations with Greendale, so how can they get any credit?

Anonymous said...

Not only is the "Old Guard" holding out for an 8 times more expensive (to HVL residents) contract, but at this point, a contract that is not even in the theoretical or hypothetical realm!

Should the “Old Guard” be subject to random drug testing?

jb said...

Maybe the "old guard" will give this some more thought.

Anonymous said...

You jerks ought to trying shutting you months for awhile and let Greendale and VRUC finished ironing out the terms of a contract.

I've been told that this is an offer that was submitted by Greendale around the middle of July.

There have been two revisions to it since then. That's what's called "negotiating"!
Let the 2 negotitate and come to an agreement. Then I don't know what you'll do with all of your spare time.

Anonymous said...

You jerks ought to trying shutting you months for awhile and let Greendale and VRUC finished ironing out the terms of a contract.

Sport, there is nothing left to negotiate.

Any negotiating taking place now is not to get the residents a better deal, but to get a few local developers a better deal, regardless of where that leaves the residents.

That is why the old guard is doing their best to stall the inevitable.

Hope after hope that the DCRSD rides in to save the day, with a contract 6 or 7 or 8 times the price of Greendale’s offer, but a deal that will give local developers the best chance to make a buck at the expense of HVL residents!

Anonymous said...

You jerks ought to trying shutting you months for awhile and let Greendale and VRUC finished ironing out the terms of a contract.

The last revision dealt with an exit clause that could be initiated if the DCRSD became viable.

Even with "viability," the DCRSD would still be at least seven times more expensive than Greendale.

So what is the VRUC holding out for, other than the slim chance the DCRSD could still step in and permit unrestrained development outside of Hidden Valley on the Hidden Valley Resident's dime?

Anonymous said...

Let us not discount the little extras that come with a contract with the DCRSD!

Not only would HVL get much higher rates, they will get the sage advice of sewer "Grand Poobas" such as Brett Fehrman, Rodney Dennerline and the always wise and development "Kiss Ass" expertise of Secretary Vera Benning!

Anonymous said...

Remember
- VRUC Board Meeting --
Tuesday, August 14 at 6:00pm

The meeting is held at the VRUC
garage on Alpine near the base
of the dam.

Anonymous said...

There is no contract with VRUC/DCRSD so why is it still in discussion? The "may haves" and "what mights" don't matter because IT'S GONE. Rejoice!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"You jerks ought to trying shutting you months for awhile and let Greendale and VRUC finished ironing out the terms of a contract."

Right on!

Anonymous said...

Wow...8:55 to 8:56, we must be on the same wavelength.

Anonymous said...

Let the VRUC join with Greendale...

...let the realtor/developers go to the bank and get a loan...

...because the residents of HVL are no longer their co-signers or guarantors!

Anonymous said...

Concerning the meeting on Aug 14 -

Will the 4 senior members show up? - they will have to publically vote on the contract ---- or will they be absent. It requires a minimum of 4 members in attendance to constitute a quorum in which a vote taken could be relevant.

What's your bet?

Anonymous said...

What's your bet?

Trying to feather the beds of a few realtor/developers is what some VRUC "Old Guard" apologists call "negotiating!"

Hiring expensive lawyers to sue HVL residents to force them to support the development of a few realtor/developers is what some VRUC "Old Guard" apologists call "negotiating!"

Running away from responsibility to work in the best interests of the residents is what some VRUC "Old Guard" apologists call "negotiating!"

Holding out for a deal that would cost the residents of HVL eight times the Greendale deal, but would be a developers fantasy, is what some VRUC "Old Guard" apologists call "negotiating!"


I bet they do not show up!

Anonymous said...

"I bet they do not show up!"

And the next day a "drunken" tgaw will again post:

"This contract took the effort and cooperation of both the new and old members of the VRUC board, Greendale officials and many other residents of HVL. Congratulations to all of you."


"B-U-R-P!!!"

cc said...

So SDRSD members have created a sewer entity that they can each feed into.
Each of these three entities (L-bg, G-dale, and Aurora)surround the sewer plant. All sewage coming to teh southern part of the county has to flow through pipelines in their cities.
This sewer plant is located on a lrge enough body of water to handle the outflow.
Now where else in the southern part of the county does any such body of water exist?
Any other plants built will be severely limited in size and SAFETY by the creeks they try to dump into.
Why would we build not one but TWO more sewer plants on Tanners Creek upstream from SDRSD? (One in Guildford and one in near Trackville Road by St. Leon)Woolpert suggested these in tehir report and IDEM apparently thinks these creeks are able to handle it because of their color of line on some map that they have.
And yet RESIDENTS know these creeks are essentially DRY at times and overflow at others. Where does the sewer plant store the water when it can't be safely diluted?
Perhaps we need to do some thinking- and VRUC and DCRSD need to get realistic.
SDRSD has site,technology, and infrastructure. They have a good price.
What exactly is the problem?

Anonymous said...

"What exactly is the problem?"

The driving force behind the VRUC, the DCRSD and those folks up in St. Leon, is not to try to find the best price for utility customers nor is the public health anything but a passing consideration!

Development interests are simply looking for "CASH-COWS" to finance their particular developments!

Anonymous said...

True!

The DCRSD's interests in HVL are not about how they could better serve the residents of HVL, but what the DCRSD could do with all those utility customers' dollars to finance their personal development projects!

Anonymous said...

Just who is the dumbass on the DCRSD's Board who keeps offering up encouragement to the VRUC that the DCRSD could solve all their problems?

Might he be a realtor or developer?

Anonymous said...

"Why would we build not one but TWO more sewer plants on Tanners Creek upstream from SDRSD?"

There are times that Tanners Creek has no measurable current at all!

Anonymous said...

How about bringing Guilford's 40 homes or so to Greendale via a GRAVITY line? That line could later be extended to pick up other areas feeding to SR 1.

Anonymous said...

"How about bringing Guilford's 40 homes or so to Greendale via a GRAVITY line? That line could later be extended to pick up other areas feeding to SR 1."

That would still leave the control with Greendale, who is on record not to be for "unrestrained" development because of the cost to existing utility customers!

Where as, developer controlled sewer treatment plants will see their existing utility customers as a source of never-ending dollars for their developments!

Anonymous said...

"Where as, developer controlled sewer treatment plants will see their existing utility customers as a source of never-ending dollars for their developments!"

Hell, developer controlled sewer treatment plants will see those, in areas they wish to develop, on functioning septic tanks as possible coerced utiltity customers where they will force them on grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines!

Anonymous said...

Anyone who believes that this entire sewer argument is about the most efficient way to move "waste," is living in a dream world!

This is all about the most efficient way to move "houses!"

No matter the cost to the rest of us!

jb said...

But while the argument is about moving houses, the county and cities can still provide services at a rate that is appropriate. Some development has to occur in order to sustain our EXISTING population. People are living longer and young adults need homes. Older adults may want to downsize. Thsi county doesn't even have one retirement community.

Anonymous said...

From Section 3 of the contract above, it looks like developers pay all costs of building the sewer systems for a new Subdivisions and then turn it over to Greendale at no cost to Greendale or VRUC.
Why do some of you say the tax payers are supporting the developers in this case?


From section 3:
"Developers of the Subdivisions shall construct sewer lines, pumps, valves, appurtenances, and such other sewer facilities necessary to serve the respective developments and connect them to Greendale’s existing sewer lines. To the extent recoupment and/or reimbursement may be owed to other customers and/or developers related to the facilities to which such sewer facilities will connect, the Developers must agree to pay such recoupment and/or reimbursement. The design and construction of these sewer facilities shall be subject to Greendale’s reasonable approvals."

Anonymous said...

Why do some of you say the tax payers are supporting the developers in this case?

The system developement charge of $3350 is on top of these fees. That is what sammy calls free money and what the developer/builder wants the taxpayers to shoulder.
If the sewer providers don't get this money, the taxpayers are the ones that have to repair the systems upgrades and repairs which raises their rates.

Anonymous said...

clarification.
The system developement charge of $3350 is[per house or unit built].

Anonymous said...

The system developement charge of $3350 is on top of these fees. That is what sammy calls free money and what the developer/builder wants the taxpayers to shoulder.
If the sewer providers don't get this money, the taxpayers are the ones that have to repair the systems upgrades and repairs which raises their rates.

What the former VRUC board member "sammy" called "free money" was $1,000 'tap fee' charged by VRUC to each new customer. The $3350 is what Greendale charges for each new customer connected.

Anonymous said...

Some development has to occur in order to sustain our EXISTING population.

We are in a down cycle in the construction of new housing across the country.

In fact, look at all the for sale signs on existing properties and they are not selling.

That does not mean we have to give complete control over to the developers, no matter the costs to the rest of us. If you leave utiltiy customers to the mercy of realtors and developers, there is no one who can guarantee them reasonable and reliable rates. The interests of the developers will always win out against the utility customers!

Let the pro-development and the no-development forces hash out their differences in public. Let the chips fall as they may!

Anonymous said...

Let the pro-development and the no-development forces hash out their differences in public. Let the chips fall as they may!
3:15 PM, August 10, 2007

I agree! But this blog seems to be 95% "no-development." Is there a local blog for the "pro-development" arguments? I would like to hear both sides.

Anonymous said...

Go to top of this blog, click on "CREATE BLOG" and you are on your way to creating any blog you wish!

I would like to clarify that most on this blog are not against development, they just do not want to pay for the development of others, which is what controlling the sewers means to the pro-development side!

Anonymous said...

"What the former VRUC board member "sammy" called "free money" was $1,000 'tap fee' charged by VRUC to each new customer. The $3350 is what Greendale charges for each new customer connected. "

At that time of, Sammy's $1000 "free money",'tap fees', Greendales tap fees were $750.

Anonymous said...

And might I add, when developers have to pay the full costs of their developments, development "happens" at a more affordable pace for existing property owners and infrastructure needs!

Anonymous said...

I would like to clarify that most on this blog are not against development, they just do not want to pay for the development of others, which is what controlling the sewers means to the pro-development side!


True!!!

I am seeing more and more local farms around my farm being divided up and houses are being built or are going to be built, but since no one is asking me to go to the bank and get loans to pay for their new homes, no "real" big deal!

Again, that is not to say I like to see farm and woodland turned into homesites, but I would never "protest" said homesites!

Now, what Fehrman is trying to do to those poor folks on 50, is a crime!!!

Anonymous said...

" At that time of, Sammy's $1000 "free money",'tap fees', Greendales tap fees were $750."
3:39 PM, August 10, 2007

Okay, VRUC tap fees was and is $1,000 and Greendale was $750 and is now $3,350.

What is your point?

Anonymous said...

Now, what Fehrman is trying to do to those poor folks on 50, is a crime!!!
3:55 PM, August 10, 2007

What is he trying to do?

Anonymous said...

"What is he trying to do"


He is trying to force all those people around his subdivision, already on functioning septic systems, onto grinder pumps and pressurized sewers at a minimum cost of $10,000 up to over 40,000.

These are costs before the first "utiltity bill" arrives!

The more homes Brett forces unto the sewer line, the cheaper the per house cost for him and his subdivision!

Anonymous said...

"Okay, VRUC tap fees was and is $1,000 and Greendale was $750 and is now $3,350. "

What is your point?

No point just fact.
Things change and need to be paid for buy the customers that are desirous of that servece.

Anonymous said...

No point just fact.
Things change and need to be paid for buy the customers that are desirous of that servece.
4:06 PM, August 10, 2007

Then what about the people mentioned at 4:06 PM, August 10, 2007? It seems like you say the people on Rt.50 with septic systems should not be forced to tap into the sewer system but new houses built near Greendale must tap into the sewer system and pay $3350.

Anonymous said...

Then what about the people mentioned at 4:06 PM, August 10, 2007? It seems like you say the people on Rt.50 with septic systems should not be forced to tap into the sewer system but new houses built near Greendale must tap into the sewer system and pay $3350.

You are speaking with at least two different people.

The tap in fees are for folks who want new homes on small parcels of land that would not work with septic systems!

Brett Fehrman wants to "force" existing property owners, already on working septic systems onto his sewers to lower the overall price to his subdivision!

At costs of far above to whatever "tap in" fees you are speaking to!

Anonymous said...

Picture a home, set way back on 20 plus acres on 50.

A home that has been there for over 30 years.

A home on a working septic system.

Brett wants to force those people on his sewer line!

Anonymous said...

It seems like you say the people on Rt.50 with septic systems should not be forced to tap into the sewer system but new houses built near Greendale must tap into the sewer system and pay $3350.

Brett wants to avoid any tap-in fee or development fees or impact fees by making those who have no need for sewer services, pay his way!

Anonymous said...

You are speaking with at least two different people.

The tap in fees are for folks who want new homes on small parcels of land that would not work with septic systems!

Brett Fehrman wants to "force" existing property owners, already on working septic systems onto his sewers to lower the overall price to his subdivision!

At costs of far above to whatever "tap in" fees you are speaking to!
4:21 PM, August 10, 2007

Okay, thanks. What does this have to do with the Greendale / VRUC contract?

Anonymous said...

Okay, thanks. What does this have to do with the Greendale / VRUC contract


This has everything to do with the VRUC holding out for the DCRSD to offer them a contract, at many times over the Greendale contract!

These are the type of scoundrels the VRUC are willing to "contract" with to suit the needs of the realtor/developer interests on or controlling the VRUC Board!

Anonymous said...

This has everything to do with the VRUC holding out for the DCRSD to offer them a contract, at many times over the Greendale contract!

These are the type of scoundrels the VRUC are willing to "contract" with to suit the needs of the realtor/developer interests on or controlling the VRUC Board!
4:39 PM, August 10, 2007

But VRUC is NOT holding out for DCRSD. Greendale and VRUC have been fine tunning the contract for several weeks and will probably be agreed upon soon. Right?

Anonymous said...

Fine tuning?

The last sticking point was the old guard wanting an escape clause in the Greendale contract in case the DCRSD becomes viable!

For what reasons would they want to hold out, hope against hope, that a gang such as the DCRSD may offer them salvation?

Especially with the DCRSD going on record that they never could come close to the Greendale contract?

Anonymous said...

Something is very fishy with the VRUC, they are being offered a deal that no one can beat, but still stammer, stutter and stumble to try to avoid it.

Are they hiding something???

Anonymous said...

The last sticking point was the old guard wanting an escape clause in the Greendale contract in case the DCRSD becomes viable!
4:56 PM, August 10, 2007

I heard that it was Greendale wanting VRUC to ignore the CTA that was issued by the IURC. Which by law, I don't think they can do that.

Anonymous said...

"fine tuning"

Two of the old guard assured Greendale, by cell phone, that they would sign the contract, then did not!

What "interests" got to them?

Anonymous said...

Two of the old guard assured Greendale, by cell phone, that they would sign the contract, then did not!

What "interests" got to them?
5:05 PM, August 10, 2007

Good sense! Read the contract carefully and ask yourself if you would sign it for 30 years.

Anonymous said...

"I heard that it was Greendale wanting VRUC to ignore the CTA that was issued by the IURC. Which by law, I don't think they can do that."

According to the SDRSD attorney:

"It is my understanding that such authority is derived from Title 8 which would govern municipally owned utilities."

And of course, if the contract is premised on a violation of law, the contract would prove null and void!

Why then are the old guard avoiding the contract?

Anonymous said...

Good sense! Read the contract carefully and ask yourself if you would sign it for 30 years.

Good sense?

Yeah!

Such a contract would scare the pants off realtor/developers having the epiphany they could not extort dollars from existing utility customers for a period of 30 years!

Anonymous said...

According to the SDRSD attorney:

"It is my understanding that such authority is derived from Title 8 which would govern municipally owned utilities."

And of course, if the contract is premised on a violation of law, the contract would prove null and void!

Why then are the old guard avoiding the contract?
Perhaps they prefer to listen to an attorney that is on their side and not Greendale, part owner of SDRSD.

Anonymous said...

Why then are the old guard avoiding the contract?
Perhaps they prefer to listen to an attorney that is on their side and not Greendale, part owner of SDRSD.


An attorney who has not counseled the VRUC Board of the costs of holding out for contract from the DCRSD, a contract that would not only cost HVL residents 7 or 8 times more than the Greendale contract, it would inevitably prove financially ruinous to existing property owners outside of HVL already on working septic systems!

Anonymous said...

An attorney who has not counseled the VRUC Board of the costs of holding out for contract from the DCRSD, a contract that would not only cost HVL residents 7 or 8 times more than the Greendale contract, it would inevitably prove financially ruinous to existing property owners outside of HVL already on working septic systems!
5:21 PM, August 10, 2007
I thought it was already established that VRUC is NOT holding out for a deal with DCRSD!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps they prefer to listen to an attorney that is on their side and not Greendale, part owner of SDRSD.

An attorney who is already into the greedy, incompetent development cozy VRUC to the tune of $500,000.00?

What is there to show for this cozy little relationship?

Anonymous said...

I thought it was already established that VRUC is NOT holding out for a deal with DCRSD!

It has already been established the absolute asinine reasons for holding out for the DCRSD, however, no one from the VRUC "Old Guard" has made any comments that they are letting go of such a "train wreck" of a notion!

As of last week, there was an attorney and an accountant, supposedly associated with the VRUC, offering up financial information as to the costs of the DCRSD taking over the VRUC to Mike Hankins, the President of the DCRSD!

Anonymous said...

An attorney who is already into the greedy, incompetent development cozy VRUC to the tune of $500,000.00?

What is there to show for this cozy little relationship?
5:27 PM, August 10, 2007

Where do you get the $500,000.00?

Anonymous said...

Check the VRUC financial statements.


From information given to Mike Hankins last week for consideration of the DCRSD Board buying out the VRUC:


From the Operating Expenditures: Calendar Year
2005 listed first and 2006 alone:

Legal 255,830 180,462


The 2003 and 2004 are similar.

But you look it up!

Anonymous said...

As of last week, there was an attorney and an accountant, supposedly associated with the VRUC, offering up financial information as to the costs of the DCRSD taking over the VRUC to Mike Hankins, the President of the DCRSD!
5:33 PM, August 10, 2007

Again,
"supposedly associated with the VRUC"
I see the story tellers are back so I'll say goodbye.
To the person(s) who had been carrying on an intelligent dialogue, thanks. Maybe we should go to the VRUC meeting and ask the real board.

Anonymous said...

Contrast that with LMH legal expenses from same information packet:

Legal 1,235.00

Now, the DCRSD is already well over $100,00.00 in legal fees!

With nothing to show for it either!

Anonymous said...

I see the story tellers are back so I'll say goodbye.

As the "Queen" teller of "Tall Tales" tails it out of here before anyone else can respond to each and every lie that drips from her mouth!

Anonymous said...

"I see the story tellers are back so I'll say goodbye."

Just like the "story telling" about the $2.18 per 1,000 gallons rate that Greendale is willing to charge HVL?

Which was true?

You just want to post your "Old Guard" lies and have no one respond to them as such!

Just sign the Greendale contract and let the residents live in peace and quit using them as your personal piggy banks for your developments!

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
You jerks ought to trying shutting you months for awhile and let Greendale and VRUC finished ironing out the terms of a contract.

I've been told that this is an offer that was submitted by Greendale around the middle of July.

There have been two revisions to it since then. That's what's called "negotiating"!
Let the 2 negotitate and come to an agreement. Then I don't know what you'll do with all of your spare time." .....

Since the middle part of July there is no more negotiating concerning this contract.

This is the FINAL CONTRACT proposed!

There are no new revisions except for the ones the VRUC senior 4 keep congering up and trying to make you think Greendale is considering.

VRUC Meeting - Tues, Aug 14 - 6:00pm

Anonymous said...

The lull in negotiating after the July proposal from Greendale was caused by the VRUC president, Jack Arduin and his 2 sidekicks. Their feelings were exactly as stated above, THIS IS A FINAL CONTRACT, take it or leave it!
Thanks to the persistence of the OLD GUARD, further revisions and attempts to negotiate were, and still are, being pursued.
Their goal is to insure that VRUC's customers are not subjected to such conditions...like a limitiation of how much water could be purchased from Greendale or any other source...as stated in the original offer.

Anonymous said...

VRUC Meeting - Tues Aug 14 - 6:00pm

Contract with Greendale - Take it or Leave it

Attend to witness the vote

Anonymous said...

Oh!

Now it is the new guys causing all the problems for the theiving "Old Guard!"

The "Old Guard" still hoping that DCRSD will come in and save the day in order for the realtor/developers can stick it to the residents to shoulder the sewer costs of their respective developments!

You cretins are shameless!

Go ahead Sammy's girls, queer the Greendale Deal once again because it does not allow you to steal from the good folks of HVL!

Anonymous said...

The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long!

Anonymous said...

THAT SOUND YOU HEAR IS THE SCREECHING HOWL OF SAMMY AND FRIENDS REFUSING TO GIVE THE VRUC BACK TO THE RESDIENTS!!!

Anonymous said...

Why should the old guard desire to give the VRUC back to the residents of HVL?

Sammy and Bittner have already included the residents money into their future development plans!

Anonymous said...

Again,
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long!

Anonymous said...

Sammy is just giving the residents of HVL an opportunity to invest in her and Jeff Bittner's futures!!!

Anonymous said...

Expect nothing but "babblygook" from the Old Guard when they refuse again to sign the Greendale contract!

Short of Greendale giving Sammy and Jeff carte blanche for any and all developments, at HVL's expense, the Old Guard will refuse to sign, even though they have absolutely no one willing to reasonably counter Greendale's deal!

Anonymous said...

Jeff Bittner is again proposing changes in the contract negotiated with Greendale - this time not a holdout for the sellout of VRUC to DCRSD, but something up on Georgetown Road. At times he agrees he will sign the existing contract offered and then comes up with another bazaar change. Has Sammy or L. Parvin Price given him a list? If Greendale won't agree to this one - try another one - just keep stalling! Why???

Does not one or more of the other senior board members have a conscience and have the courage to say enough is enough - the best interest of the HVL community is at stake and I must stand up for them.

It only takes one more board member's vote to accept the contract with Greendale! Again - have a conscience!

Without accepting the contract, VRUC with our money is going to have to build a several million dollar water well within the next 2 years. Where will this money come from? Is VRUC going to neglect our failing sewer infrastructure again? Are engineers and lawyers going to pilfer our money again? Will Greendale without a contract raise our rates?

(The VRUC has arrogantly refused to sign a sewer service contract with Greendale since 2002! The state mandates Greendale to service VRUC no matter what! After the VRUC refused to sign a water contract with Greendale in about 2005, Greendale turned off the water and let Tri-County Water supply HVL which when a pipe ruptured caused dirt in our lines. The state forced a contract between Greendale and VRUC, but it is only for a limited time after which VRUC has to find another source for water unless a contract is signed between Greendale and VRUC.)

The VRUC is dragging our community name through the mud. Our community has grown successfully over the last 30+ years and is still growing and needs assured services. We didn't need a sewage disposal plant at the entrance of our community on Alpine. We do not need our local utility service which is run by HVL property owners to be sold to an outside entity such as DCRSD. We do not need our money being spent on gouging lawyers.

We NEED guaranteed sewer and water services for our future and the use of our money to repair the failing sewer infrastructure. We have a wonderful private community, but we must provide proper management to keep it that way.

Have a conscience - if not all of you senior 4, at least one of you!
Stand up and support what you know is right for HVL's future!

Anonymous said...

To the senior Old Guard, if you do not sign this contract, at this price, now...

...it will be more than obvious to all the property owners in HVL...

...and the consensus will not be that you are shoping for a better deal for the residents!!!

Just...do the right thing!!!

Anonymous said...

Stan,
Thanks for reporting the half-truths.

As you well know, VRUC has a CTA to serve Georgetown Road between State Line Road and the Golf Course entrance. It is against the law to ignore that CTA.

What exactly is the "something" that Greendale wants VRUC to do?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Just...do the right thing!!!"
8:28 PM, August 12, 2007

I will repeat my previous suggestion.

Read the contract carefully and ask your self if you would sign this for 30 years.

Anonymous said...

Read the contract carefully and ask your self if you would sign this for 30 years.

As compared to being contracted and obligated to any entity the "development at any HVL residents' costs" the old guard are willing to tie us up with?

Please!!!

Transparency is not your friend!!!

Further now it is "against the law" to ignore CTAs when you do not even have the facilities to service such?

Sammy, you are getting desperate!!!

Anonymous said...

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This and other developments, subsidized by the residents of HVL, is what this VRUC song and dance is all about!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

The VRUC was holding out for the DCRSD, that fell through, now they will be holding out for the Georgetown Road fantasy!

What next?

Will the few that Sammy and Jeff have pictures of doing God knows what, will they next be ordered to hold their breaths until Sammy and Jeff get everything THEY want?

Anonymous said...

Oh, Criminy Christmas, is the Old Guard going to now tell us we need to enter into a contract 10 times the costs to HVL over the Greendale contract, to service George Town Road?

This is absolutely getting childish on the part of the Old Guard!

Anonymous said...

And again,
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long!

Anonymous said...

And again,
The voice of the greedy overwhelms her common sense!

Anonymous said...

What has the VRUC been charging residents over the current rate provided by Greendale?

How much of this "profit" has gone to fixing HVL' sewer infrastructure?

Anonymous said...

If HVL buys Sammy and Jeff Bittner a water and sewage treatment plant, their focus will switch immediately and directly to their developments outside HVL, with no attention or dollars directed to repair our sewer lines!

This will be a cost 10 or times the Greendale contract!

Sammy and Jeff will see to it that their new water sewer plant is over capacity just as soon they can build their subdivisions. Placing HVL in another sewer crisis ten years down the road!

cc said...

What;s wrong with signing a 30 year contract? You can do that with home loans. It locks in rates, it locks in services, and it provides security on BOTH sides.
A utility needs to recoup it's infrastructure investments. The residents need to have a service taht they know is long term.
What IS the problem- besides the old guard - new guard ting.
Will someone please enligten us?

Anonymous said...

Will someone please enlighten us?

There's not one person in the "old guard" smart enough to understand their position of representing the utility users of Hidden Valley Lake.

All four all Followers!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"There's not one person in the "old guard" smart enough to understand their position of representing the utility users of Hidden Valley Lake.
All four all Followers!"
8:54 AM, August 13, 2007

If you want answers, attend the VRUC meeting Tuesday and see for yourself who is intelligent and who follows the orders barked from the puppet master setting in the audience.

Anonymous said...

Sammy's little dogs on the VRUC are so well behaved...since she had them neutered!

Anonymous said...

cc said...
"What;s wrong with signing a 30 year contract? You can do that with home loans. It locks in rates, it locks in services, and it provides security on BOTH sides."

Nothing wrong if both sides agree and it is totally legal and it protects the interest of both sides.
Greendale should be able to get rate increases as costs goes up and HVL residents should be protected from excessive increases. Also, since VRUC is a "NOT FOR PROFIT" corporation licensed in the state of Indiana, it must obey the requirements set forth by the IDEM and IRUC. VRUC can not ignore CTA's issued by the state of Indiana.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

VRUC can not ignore CTA's issued by the state of Indiana.
12:52 PM, August 13, 2007


Can VRUC sell or turn the CTS's over to Greendale?

Anonymous said...

You just make it up as you go, don't you?

The only scoundrels the good people of HVL need protecting from is Sammy, Jeff and friends!

Give it up, we all know why you can't give up control of the VRUC and it has nothing to do with protecting the interests of anyone but yourself!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Can VRUC sell or turn the CTS's over to Greendale?"
12:55 PM, August 13, 2007

Good question. Why don't you ask President Jack Arduin at Tuesday's meeting?

Anonymous said...

The Courts have determined and the IURC has concurred, adminstrative rules that lead to hardship and absurdity should be avoided.

Not only is the "Old Guard" being absurd, the hardship to the residents of HVL would be extreme.

But Sammy and Jeff don't care.

They just want to hold on to their "cash-cow!"

Anonymous said...

Of course they can get CTA's changed- that's what lawyers are for. If that's the only problem- then someone is being SILLY.
And it isn't SDRSD.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The Courts have determined and the IURC has concurred, adminstrative rules that lead to hardship and absurdity should be avoided.
AVOIDED!!! Why not forbidden?
Not only is the "Old Guard" being absurd, the hardship to the residents of HVL would be extreme.
Explain how maintaining low rates is absurd?
But Sammy and Jeff don't care.
Sammy is not a member of the VRUC board. Jeff is just one of seven members.
They just want to hold on to their "cash-cow!"
The board members are NOT paid!
1:10 PM, August 13, 2007

The delay is 100% President Jack Arduin!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Of course they can get CTA's changed- that's what lawyers are for. If that's the only problem- then someone is being SILLY.
And it isn't SDRSD.
4:21 PM, August 13, 2007
No! Its Greendale.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Of course they can get CTA's changed- that's what lawyers are for. If that's the only problem- then someone is being SILLY.
And it isn't SDRSD.
4:21 PM, August 13, 2007

What!! VRUC should hire lawyers!
Boy, you're dammed if you do and you're dammed if you don't.

Anonymous said...

You don't want to maintain low rates. You would accept the highest of high rates, (witness your love affair with the DCRSD) if you and Jeff are given a blank check to develop as you please, with HVL asborbing all your sewer costs!

Cash cow, is having your own utiltity company to rubber stamp anything you want to do.

Like what you tried with Ogden in front of the Planning Board!

The Old Guard has offered nothing that comes close to Greendale's deal!

Just alot of empty talk and stalling with the hope of having free reign for your projects.

That is all this is and has been about!

And if you think you can take this in front of a court or mediator and that authority will just say: "Sure, go ahead and stick it to the residents of HVL" because of some silly ass administrative decision made earlier, you are delusional!

Give it up Sammy and Jeff!

Try job retraining!

Anonymous said...

The "Old Guard" and their followers have turned this whole matter into a vendetta against Greendale at HVL's expense!

They should simply recuse themselves or resign completely!

Anonymous said...

This has gone beyond vendetta!

The old guard is so anxious to stick it to Greendale, they are willing to incur millions upon millions of dollars of debt to be paid for by the residents of HVL!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The "Old Guard" and their followers have turned this whole matter into a vendetta against Greendale at HVL's expense!

They should simply recuse themselves or resign completely!
4:41 PM, August 13, 2007

If they did that, they would give total control to Maria LaRosa.
I don't think any sane person would want that. And FYI, I AM NOT SAMMY OR JEFF. And I agree with you that developers should pay 100% of cost supplying sewer and water to a new development. I want a fair and legal contract with Greendale.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

This has gone beyond vendetta!

The old guard is so anxious to stick it to Greendale, they are willing to incur millions upon millions of dollars of debt to be paid for by the residents of HVL!
4:46 PM, August 13, 2007

The delay is 100% President Jack Arduin of the freshman class.

Anonymous said...

I want a fair and legal contract with Greendale.

Which Greendale is offering.

Remember, it is the Old Guard who wanted a contract for services at 30 year rates, but wanted to be able to pull out on whim, whenever a DCRSD or another non-entity, at 8 times the cost of Greendale's contract, may come into existence, and be will more "developer friendly!"

Please!

Either actually offer a reasonable alternative, at the same or lower rates offered by Greendale, or just sign the contract.

HVL only wins if you sign this contract.

If the Old Guard "wins" and Greendale walks, where does that leave the citizens of HVL?

Anonymous said...

The delay is 100% President Jack Arduin of the freshman class.

Your greed and animosity towards Greendale has overwhelmed your senses!

Anonymous said...

"The delay is 100% President Jack Arduin of the freshman class."

Arduin was willing to sign the contract!

Or was it his unwillingness to contribute to the queering of the contract, like the rest of the old guard, that is viewed as causing the delay, in the old guard's eyes?

But for Arduin, Sammy and friends could be working on their "very own" sewer plant now, at costs "reasonable" to them, who cares about the residents!

Anonymous said...

From the contract above:
D. VRUC’s most recent sewer CTA was issued pursuant to an order of the IURC issued July 6, 2005 in Cause No. 42673 (the “Expansion Territory”). The Expansion Territory is shown in yellow on the map attached hereto as Exhibit B. Greendale is presently providing sewage utility service to the Sugar Ridge Development in the Expansion Territory, but the balance of the Expansion Territory is presently unserved. Unless Greendale provides the treatment capacity, VRUC is incapable of providing sewer service to the Expansion Territory. Greendale has sewer facilities in the immediate vicinity of the unserved portions of the Expansion Territory, and the Expansion Territory lies within the area to which Greendale is lawfully authorized to provide sewer service.
I am not a lawyer, but this looks to me like Greendale is telling VRUC to abandon this CTA. I think that is illegal.
Okay, then add a clause that VRUC must transfer or sell the CTA to Greendale and Greendale will pay VRUC for the facilities owned by VRUC.

Anonymous said...

I think that is illegal.

There is nothing illegal about it!

Or, L. Parvin Price would have called the State Attorney General already.

This is just another "stalling" exercise on part of a few of the desperate Old Guard!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"The delay is 100% President Jack Arduin of the freshman class."

Arduin was willing to sign the contract!

He was willing to sign first iteration which required VRUC to purchase water ONLY from Greendale and Greendale put a limit on the amount supplied which was far short of our daily usage. Do you want to stop washing your car, shower every third day, don't flush your toilet until someone did a #2. No Thanks!
Jack will not let Greendale meet with VRUC board to iron out one small detail.
The delay is 100% President Jack Arduin.

5:09 PM, August 13, 2007

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I think that is illegal.

There is nothing illegal about it!

Or, L. Parvin Price would have called the State Attorney General already.

This is just another "stalling" exercise on part of a few of the desperate Old Guard!
5:17 PM, August 13, 2007

Can't report a crime until it is committed. Sign the contract.

Anonymous said...

Greendale owes the old guard nothing!

Now Greendale is offering the best deal by far, that can be obtained!

Greendale is not going to give developers free license to over capacitate their sewer systems, no matter how much that perturbs a "few" realtor/developers!

Anonymous said...

"Greendale is not going to give developers free license to over capacitate their sewer systems, no matter how much that perturbs a "few" realtor/developers!"

And that is what it this is all about. Greendale is operating as an utility company, with an understanding of slow and measured growth.

The VRUC, the DCRSD and St. Leon, just want to develop until there is no land left to development and then leave all the infrastructure nightmares for the taxpayers, later on down the road!

Look at all the problems now making themselves known in Warren County and Northern Kentucky!

Anonymous said...

Jack will not let Greendale meet with VRUC board to iron out one small detail.
The delay is 100% President Jack Arduin." .....

Thought of many nasty things to say about the above writer and finally decided he/she isn't worth the time!

Jack Arduin, Stan Beeler and Bob Ziegler have already voted for this contract. In July, Greendale said that the contract above was the final offer from them - and that's what they meant. Jack is in no way causing a delay!

Anyone who researches the background of L. Parvin Price will learn of his close association with IDEM and IURC. VRUC winning the CTAs instead of Greendale in 2005 was a below the table win. VRUC had no way to service the CTAs and still they were awarded them. Who paid who or who owed who a favor. How much did VRUC have to pay for L. Parvin Price's services for this scam. And now this person who is not Sammy or Jeff - thinks Greendale should BUY VRUC's CTAs!?!?! Is there a full moon???

By the way, does L. Parvin Price still have Power of Attorney for VRUC? Can he vote?

Hopefully at least one of the senior 4 will decide to do what is right for the residents of HVL - sign the contract with Greendale!

VRUC Meeting - Tues, Aug 14 - 6:00pm

Anonymous said...

Who out of the four senior members of VRUC will be the HERO & savior??????

Which one or two will sign this great final contract tomorrow night?????????

Which one or two says they care about the members and has a conseiene; and knows we as HVL (vruc) members don't need anyothere revenue outside HVL ?????

Which senior member knows we need this 30 year contract so we can remain private????????

WHich senior member realizes all we need to do is take care of ourselfs?????????

Which one knows we have enough money to take care of ourselfs so we can remain private???????????

Which senior member will rise up above everyone and SAVE US the members of VRUC $100'S and $1000'S maybe even millions of dollers so it's seniors and middled class families can still live here??????????

Will our mircale come from Bittner, Hensly, Sypniewski or Armbrecht??????????

Which senior member is going to put a stop to grinding the AX?????

Will THE REAL HERO PLEASE STEP UP AND SAVE HVL FROM HIGHER RATES???

Stop all the bitterness show compassion for your fellow Man and there Families we have come to know and love!

Thank You and GOD BLESS

Anonymous said...

Mr. Price are still prower of attoney???????????You are mad because you did'nt get your pay off last thrusday?? So you use the seniors as tools of revenge, your tricks and lies to the P.O.A. and Greendale should stop. It dosen't take a rocket scientist to see who is still the adviser and in control of the senior members.

1. First you advise the seniors to vote Jack as President, so voting would be impossible, then you order staff members to work on company time to call on the phone to people who hasn't voted. Plus Floyd at the VRUC office the whole time the votes were being counted. When a ranger could have let the vote counters in. WE all know what he was looking out for!

Now that Jack is President the staff will not let him have access to records,reports and other data. Price thinks he is above the LAW; and so does the senior members....

Stop double crossing; senior members ,quit gambling with HVL residents lives. The seniors and attorney Mr.Price tacks are to agree then disagree, show the members you have minds of your own and not just sitting up there playing GOD at the VRUC members expence.

All 4 of you step up and be men sign the contract you all agreed to. This is a good contract anyone can see that, do the right thing everyone sign it so you will all be HERO'S together, Help us become all for one and one for all. Please do the right thing.

MAKE YOUR COMMUNITY PROUD OF BEING PRIVATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

So, if Greendale would buy these CTAs from the VRUC, would the VRUC use this money to fix HVL's infrastructure problems, or would the VRUC immediately use this money as a "down payment" on a sewer plant and the VRUC Board would still redirect HVL's money to the interests and developments of a few on and off the Board?

Anonymous said...

So, if Greendale would buy these CTAs from the VRUC, would the VRUC use this money to fix HVL's infrastructure problems, or would the VRUC immediately use this money as a "down payment" on a sewer plant and the VRUC Board would still redirect HVL's money to the interests and developments of a few on and off the Board?

Anonymous said...

Price,Bittner and Hansely is 300ft. on Georgetown rd. more important than HVL members pocket books?????

Think about somebody else for a good change, HELP stenghten our private community quit trying to capitalizing on the HVL members money. Price everyone knows all you want is to be paid off! Your tract record shows what you care about. Quit giving the senior members pipe dreams of there payoffs, go away leave HVL alone! go rape an capialize some were in you backyard. Leave VRUC members and Bright alone; bring us together for you only makes you RICH and everyone else poor. Ouit influencing the seniors we can surive better without you.

6:00 P.M tonight Who will be the Hero's Who will be the BIG men to do what is right????????

Anonymous said...

VRUC President is'nt controlling the contract that was already agreed on by the seniors! Greendale was assured this was agreeable by everyone on all sides. Now Bittner wishing he was President ;wants to through another rench in it that can be worked out later; if it's just a little thing why is it a BIG thing to Bittner??????????????????
What is he trying to slip in there anyway? WHY DOES IT MEAN SO MUCH, 300 FT. MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US HENSLEY???? Is it hooking up again with Price and Tucker together????? Only GOD Knows

Anonymous said...

By the way, does L. Parvin Price still have Power of Attorney for VRUC? Can he vote?

10:37 PM, August 13, 2007

You almost had me until the above statement.

Anonymous said...

"??????????????????"

Attend the meeting for the answers.

Anonymous said...

Only GOD Knows

1:27 PM, August 14, 2007


And Maria LaRosa

Anonymous said...

"And Maria LaRosa"

Nasty ole Maria, fighting for lower rates and accountability towards the residents of HVL!!!

Shame on her!!!

She needs to do the right thing and fight for what profits Sammy and Jeff, to hell with the residents!!!

Anonymous said...

SO!

WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT AT THE VRUC MEETING?

jb said...

And why in the world would SDRSD or Greendale need to PURCHASE CTA? You don't purchase anything that has no pipes laid in it- there is no infrastructure to buy!
Money money money- who gets the money- it's the recurring theme on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Actually, depending on the kind of "rights" CTAs are, they could very well be "bought!"

Although, I would doubt "ownership" of a CTA could be transfer by anyone other than the issuing authority.

But I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

What happened last night at the VRUC meeting?

Anonymous said...

Yes, just as we thought Bittner did'nt show up; he was the one who apposed the contract. That was in the cards! After all invisable Price was alive at VRUC meeting. Sammy still thinking she is still on the B.O.D. spoke out of order as always. She said, it's a fact, that if we sign this contract we would be in for a lawsuit. HA HA President said prove it. She said, she will! (more smoke screening by the pro.) Then not being on the agenda, she starts handing out papers to the B.O.D. and getting on her soap box, trying to make her last desperate attemp to stop the contract. You can tell after this performance, she was acting on behalf of, know other than invisable attoney Price (VRUC power of attoney) who just got his $20,000 check this month from the VRUC. (Sammy guess that was your feebee for the month, feel used yet Sammy? )VRUC President Wanting for all B.O.D to be present to discuss contract. (Bittner being the hold up, concerning 300ft. of pipe on Georgetown rd.) The contract went to executive session. Will the real HERO PLEASE COME FORWARD. The pump at beech finally being repaired, Zigler's, pollution readings at his dock should improve! We have alot of had work ahead of us in repairs, but can be accomplished,given the opportunity to clean up our act. This 30 YEAR contract gives us HVL members just that, A golden opportunity to improve our quality life and save our property values. Our rates will not double we will have an experienced provider, not the rookies Attoney Price tried to sell us out to; for his hopeful payoff that did not happen 8/6/07 meeting! BEWARE VRUC/HVL MEMBERS IF THIS CONTRACT IS NOT SIGNED YOUR WATER BILL WILL BE AS MUCH AS YOUR ELECTRIC BILL. P.O.A had 4 B.O.D there watching this chest game. OVER AND OUT FOR NOW.????????

Anonymous said...

So a realtor/developer was the hold out.

And a realtor/developer spoke to the "evils" of signing a long term and reasonable contract with Greendale.

A few realtor/developers seem to think the rest of us owe them a living!

Anonymous said...

Show me a sewer and I will show you a realtor and/or developer!

Anonymous said...

anon @ 1:54pm gets an F for written communication skills. i got a headache reading that stuff.

Anonymous said...

Ms Headache,

How much money is owed to Parvin Price?

How much money will be owed to IDEM? The "old order" lack of prudent managment of the first agreed order could cause catastrophic losses?

Why does the "old order" 4 still refuse to sign the Greedale contract?

Answers to those questions should give you a REAL headache.

Anonymous said...

It isn't like the VRUC is not trying!

If they could get the alternatives to Greendale's contract down from 8 times more expensive for the residents of HVL down to 5 times Greendale's contract, they would jump at it.

Come on folks, the VRUC has to look out for Board Member Jeff Bittner's financial welfare!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why does the "old order" 4 still refuse to sign the Greedale contract?
7:58 AM, August 16, 2007

It only takes 3 'yes' votes!
Two are Maria's BOD members.
Two are short term members.
Two are long term members.
The president breaks a tie.
So there must be something of great concern to four members.
Give them time to work it out and SHUT UP!

Anonymous said...

"Give them time to work it out"
There's no time left!

As for shutup.....
LOL...Weak words for the befuddled or dumb!

Anonymous said...

Give them time to work it out and SHUT UP!
10:34 AM, August 16, 2007

Amen.

Anonymous said...

Work what out?

An inbalance between what Greendale is offering and the price the "Old Guard" is willing to accept, as long as Jeff and Sammy can profit at the expense of HVL residents?

Anonymous said...

An inbalance between what Greendale is offering and the price the "Old Guard" is willing to accept, as long as Jeff and Sammy can profit at the expense of HVL residents?
11:36 AM, August 16, 2007

No! Don't you ever read the previous postings before you repeat your incessant drone?

Anonymous said...

Ahh!

It is not about the best "deal" Jeff and Sammy can strike to their benefit...

...but they are truly looking out for the best interests of the residents of HVL!

Which is why they are able to offer so many competitive counter offers to Greendale's contract!!!

Anonymous said...

How can you blame Mr. Bittner for holding out when the President didn't even call for a vote? From what I heard at this meeting the concern is whether to sign the contract and fight the lawsuits that MAY occur because the contract gives Greendale the athority to say who VRUC hooks-up. That might be discrimination.

Aren't we smart enough to have both sides get their legal advise on what is being signed before we sign it and then face possible lawsuits. It seems that a simple review of this one particular section that is causing the concern would be cheaper then fighting a lawsuit because Greendale said we can't hook someone up.

Jim and Linda Maupin stood up at the meeting and quoted almost word for word what has been repeatedly said a million time on this blog. Now we know who is helping spread these lies. Linda also has entered a comment, anonymously of course, at 1:54 pm on Aug 15 repeating again word for word what she said at the meeting. When all this started some time ago she said the "old guard" vote not to accept the contract . Now she said Mr. Bittner was the one holding out. Come on Mr. and Mrs Maupin, which way do you want it? She also stated in an earlier comment that the contract that was posted was Greendale's final offer and the "old guard" was not negotiating another offer. Well, I heard the president say that "there has been several revisions to that contract lately." That makes the Maupin's comment about the posted contract being the final contract a lie, or else it shows their ignorance...you decide.

I've seen the names of Maria LaRosa, Doc. J, Jack and Stan in these comments, now it seems we have to add two more name to the list of FOOLS.

Let the Board members do their job. I didn't see Maria or Tommy LaRosa's name or Jim or Linda Maupin's name on the canidates list when VRUC had their election. If you have all the answers why didn't you run for office? As someone said earlier....why don't you now just shut up!!!!

Anonymous said...

The lies Sammy and Jeff are telling are of such a kind, they cannot no longer look each other in the eye when speaking them!!!

Anonymous said...

If Sammy and Jeff were selling milk to the residents to HVL, at $20.00 a gallon, these two would "name call" those pointing out that Krogers is offering the very same gallon of milk at $3.00 a gallon!

Anonymous said...

"Well, I heard the president say that "there has been several revisions to that contract lately."

If a few "fools" in the "Old Guard" want to keep proffering their nonsense, that does not make such a "revision" that Greendale is willing to consider!

I can pretend that I am willing to pay the federal goverment only the taxes I feel I should pay...

...but, my offer has nothing whatsoever in common with what the federal government is willing to accept!!!

Anonymous said...

Response to 12:31 PM, August 16, 2007

When you revert to calling various people "fools" and using the phrase "shut up" -- you weaken any possible validity of your arguments. You are showing your frustration.

This is a good sign for the HVL residents who are anxiously hoping that the VRUC Board will finally get the above contract signed with Greendale and the VRUC will be able to begin to constructively repair infrastructure within HVL and also have an assured long term contract with a helpful neighbor. There can be a better day once we get working on our problems. Sewer infrastructure needs constant attention - fixing, upgrading, building .... It's a job that never ends but can get easier when it's given correct continual attention.

Your problem concerning Georgetown Road has to be for your own benefit. Any existing residence with a failing septic system is already assured sewer service. Only person who might sue is YOU. Threats to be sued are minor compared to the necessity of attending to the requirements of the recent Agreed Order from IDEM that is being enforced by the Indiana Attorney General.

Anonymous said...

We could all have a bit more respect for Jeff and Sammy if they would just drop charade that this little dance of theirs, together, is about OUR welfare and not just about THEIR financial welfare!

Anonymous said...

Have heard that the VRUC Board is to meet again on Saturday morning to vote on the Greendale contract. Mr. Bittner was absent at last Tuesday's meeting.

Many VRUC members would like to hear that all 7 board members voted for the contract and that the board as a cooperating group can begin to work together to prudently manage the utility company and begin to work on fixing the sewer infrastructure problems.

Anonymous said...

Sammy, Sammy, what's a matter? I guess this is a good time to reveal your one and only stool pigeon , twisted sister and evil twin Teresa; (clerk for the VRUC.) She would sell her soul to the devil to have lunch with Sammy to tell the latest scoop. The only thing that saves her is her othere twin! You would think they would want to save money on there water bill, but on the other hand, maybe that's there feebee too. "HA HA Sammy you crying out, Worry about LAWSUITS when you are the main cause of the ones we are paying for NOW !!!!! You are evil down to the bone. Everyone is sick of paying for all your good times with you, and Prices LAWSUITSSSS. SAMMY AND Tresa are like the witch on the Wizard Of OZ, they are melting . Mean while, making monkeys out of the senior B.O.D, who are still waiting for there payoff in the wings. Now theres someone else looking at you kids!!!!!!!!!! Well, well, now who can forget the one everyone feels sorry for the one and only Floyd, the man who dose'nt no RIGHT fom WRONG .Who is above the law,just for B.O.D.Hensly ,Price,Sammy,Bittner And Hacker. He can set up anyone for just the right amount of payoff ;what ever that means? I'am guessing it's a little bit of everything. Right Floyd !Bye the way any leaks you have'nt reported yet!!?? Guess Whoooooo The guy who Love you the most????
WHO cares about LAWSUITS. WE HAVE LIVED WITH THEM FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. THANKS TO THE OLD B.O.D.
And Power of attoney P.Price....p.s. Did'nt you threaten to lawsuit on the Maupins for stopping sewage treatment plant!! Plus four others!! You fought the people with P.Price using there money .Down right hateful. Guess Who??? ??Gods going to get you!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Gutzwiller, heard for the last 10 years you,lawyer Price and Hacker have be using my money plus VRUC members money for Lawsuits so you can gain power for yourselfs. Using Our money, to buy your own JUSTICE. Is that why the HVL members Hate to go to VRUC meetings. Looks like you have made a career out of LAWSUITS at the expense of HVL residents pocket book!!!! Shame , Shame , shame.....Stop buying Power and capitalizing on HVL members money. Cut your losses an run for the hills. Let the people win there survival with this fare 30 year contract. Quit acting like you are on the B.O.D. Stay out off the office, give it up. Tersa (VRUC worker in office?) giving you information an the members company time; does'nt look good for you Tersa. Keep your nose to the grind stone give the members there moneys worth. GET TO WORK,,.
Tell Flody to get his hands dirty ,instead of contracting the work out. Seems like there are alot of hours we paid you to do nothing but bring in votes to keep your hands from getting dirty and saving your job. You give the us, the VRUC members our moneys worth out of your sorry butt....How do you look in the mirror everyday After, not fixing at lease 0ne forth of our sewage problems , after all the time you have been here. Shame, shame...

Anonymous said...

Why, Why, did'nt Bittner CARE enough to Get on a conference call at the meeting last Tuesday?????? Was he afraid he would reveal his real self?? Did'nt he want everyone to see his real self?????? Bittner try to be an honest man for once. Turn over a new leaf and quit hiding behind everyones apron strings. Grow up be a man... Show up saturday, vote yes for the 30 year contract........

Anonymous said...

Announcement!

The Greendale Council Approved Proposed Contract with VRUC has been approved by a majority of the VRUC Board of Directors, signed and delivered to Greendale today, Saturday, August 19.

Anonymous said...

To the VRUC Board of Directors -

Congratulations and Good Luck!

Anonymous said...

Way to go!!!

Anonymous said...

HVL residents can cheer with delight. This morning the VRUC B.O.D. voted and the 30 year water and sewage contract was signed with Greendale.We could'nt be happier.The time has finally arrived;to start working hard on making repairs and start upgrading the system. Thanks to President Jack Arduin and 4 other B.O.D. The contract was excepted today at Greendale early this afternoon. There is only one way to go onward and upward.

Yours Truly,
The 4 Musketeers

Anonymous said...

Who voted for and against the contract?

Anonymous said...

FWIW,
Bittner and Armbrect abstained . Reason, GET THIS, conflict of interest.
They should resign!

Anonymous said...

So all along Bittner had no problem pushing his agenda and voting but when it time to come to vote for what the majority of residents wanted, which in part was not to subsidize his developments, he realized he had a conflict of interest?

Bittner needs to quit the VRUC Board and move on down to the "CONFLICTS ARE US!!!" DCRSD.

He would fit right in!

Anonymous said...

To All H.V.L. Residents and Greendale Neighbors,
It has been along haul but well worth it. The new V.R.U.C. Leadership,( President Jack Arduin ) proves that was just what the doctor ordered for the H.V.L. Residents; The 30 year contract, that could never be accomplished in 10 years, do to the continuing conflicting of interest of the B.O.D. personal projects. This has come to an end on Sat. August 18,2007 the contract was signed and delivered to Greendale S.A.P.
Now the V.R.U.C. members can rest in peace. No more unnecesary $18,000 doller studies outside the box.The road to recovery is here,no more cover ups. The 30 year security of water and sewage is the best payoff HVL could hope for. We are confident the leadership will repair our failing system. We are very proud of new drive the V.R.U.C. President has, along with his amazing talent to negotiate contracts. We feel we are in good hands for the first time in V.R.U.C. history. We feel the future looks very bright for our commuity as well as the relationship with our surrounding communities.

Congratulations for all the hard work Jack Arduin, Stan Beeler, the contract was good and fair. You can be proud of opening the doors to our nieghbors and building bridges with smart communications. Mr.Ziegler you are a wonderful breath of fresh air to the B.O.D. Your postive input was well noticed, what a plus. Thank you to the two senior members who finally came to the realization that signing this contract was truly the right thing to do for the H.V.L. families and there families , family. We could'nt done it without your insight and fortitude.

Honorably, MR. and Mrs. Thomas LaRosa

Anonymous said...

Heard that Armbrecht is maybe buying a property on Georgetown Road (maybe Bittner is the realtor) and that is why they both chose to abstain from voting to accept the Greendale Contract due to conflict of interest. They had some issue as to how the Greendale Contract would handle the Georgetown sewer hook-up or whatever.

This Georgetown Road sewer pipe needs to be clarified to all. Who owns it, what was/is the agreement, how did it pertain to failing septic systems, how did it pertain to new residences, who all is hooked to it, etc. ????????

tjaw said...

Anonymous said...
Sammy, Sammy, what's a matter? I guess this is a good time to reveal your one and only stool pigeon , twisted sister and evil twin Teresa; (clerk for the VRUC.) She would sell her soul to the devil to have lunch with Sammy to tell the latest scoop.
1:16 AM, August 17, 2007

I have stopped by the VRUC office on several occasions to ask questions about information posted on this blog. I have found Teresa to be professional, courteous, and willing to answer questions that she has the ability and authority to do so. I’m sure she would do the same for Sammy as well as the vicious person who posted the above message. This is so typical of the anonymous messages posted here.
I suggest the blog master require people to register and sign their names to each message.
This would guarantee “Freedom of Speech” and eliminate the unfounded slanderous messages posted by a few mean spirited people.

Anonymous said...

It is the anonymity that encourages the free flow of ideas and information.

Anything else would just relegate this blog to nothing more than “sanctioned” press releases of the powerful few.

Anonymous said...

"...how did it pertain to failing septic systems..."

What is the definition of "failing septic systems?"

It seems that "septic tank failures" always occur about the same time a developer buys up property around existing property owners on septic systems and desires to force these existing property owners onto the developer's sewers to help cushion the costs of the sewers for the developer's projects!

tjaw said...

Anonymous said...
It is the anonymity that encourages the free flow of ideas and information.

Anything else would just relegate this blog to nothing more than “sanctioned” press releases of the powerful few.

I disagree. The best debates are conducted by people who are well informed and willing to stake their reputation on the verifiable facts.

Any malcontent can make up lies or say “I heard that.”

Anonymous said...

I disagree. The best debates are conducted by people who are well informed and willing to stake their reputation on the verifiable facts.


Which is why we need more public access to our elected officials.

This blog came about, in part, because the local county governmental bodies restricted the speech of everyone not a realtor/developer.

Further, anonymity protects the not so politically connected from the politically connected!

While the politcal gatekeepers consist of the Bittners, Gutzwilers, Fehrmans, Bennings, Foxes and Hughes varieties, there will remain a need for a blog such as this!

tjaw said...

Anonymous said...
Which is why we need more public access to our elected officials. Agreed.

This blog came about, in part, because the local county governmental bodies restricted the speech of everyone not a realtor/developer. Blog is good idea.

Further, anonymity protects the not so politically connected from the politically connected! If you speak the truth, from what do you need protection?

While the politcal gatekeepers consist of the Bittners, Gutzwilers, Fehrmans, Bennings, Foxes and Hughes varieties, there will remain a need for a blog such as this! Their objective is clear. Build, sell and make money. But I agree with the argument "not at my expense."
9:23 PM, August 20, 2007

Anonymous said...

If you speak the truth, from what do you need protection?

The possible petty list of reprisals from those in office, on boards and by trifling bureaucrats, ensconced in county government, is limitless!

tjaw said...

Anonymous said...
The possible petty list of reprisals from those in office, on boards and by trifling bureaucrats, ensconced in county government, is limitless!
5:49 AM, August 21, 2007

Not limitless. We still have the vote.

Anonymous said...

Tjaw, why are you so insistent on swiping at the beaten down "little guys" posting on this blog when you have greedy and insatiable “predator” realtor/developers that you could be targeting who are trying to pick the taxpayers’ remains clean?

Look at the “anonymity” the DCEDI provides for those who use our tax dollars for the benefit of few self-proclaimed "movers and shakers" for their County-wide personal developments and projects!

This little blog does not cost the taxpayer one thin dime!

Work on your priorities!

Anonymous said...

Not limitless. We still have the vote.

Like last year's republican primary vote?

That the apparatchiks in government tried to literally void?

Try getting on the wrong side of the Dearborn County Health Department.

Then watch all the expensive stumbling blocks they can throw in front of you if you simply want to build an outbuilding on a 200 acre parcel of land!

The same Health Department that has been completely co-opted by local realtor and developers and would gladly OK 800 houses on that same parcel of land, at the expense of all the property owners surrounding this housing development!

Anonymous said...

"Then watch all the expensive stumbling blocks they can throw in front of you if you simply want to build an outbuilding on a 200 acre parcel of land!"

Isn't that the truth!

Anonymous said...

Doug Baer of the Health Department is chomping at the bit to make existing homeowners' homes, surrounding Brett’s subdivision, un-saleable, with his unbelievable and astonishing eagerness to force such homeowners onto Brett’s sewers!

Anonymous said...

I feel so sorry for those folks on 50 if Brett and Doug have their way! Imagine trying to sell a home in this slumping real estate market with the added burden of another $10,000.00 to 40,000.00 tacked onto the price, just because Brett refuses to do the right thing and pay for his own sewers! In such a situation, Brett could sell his new homes at prices tens of thousands of dollars below those older homes surrounding his development!

I wonder if Brett is telling potential buyers for some of his existing homes he has listed on 50, that if he gets his way, these homes are going to cost these potential buyers another 10 to 40 thousand dollars in the near future?

Anonymous said...

The good people of Hidden Valley Lake don't know how lucky they are to have ducked the bullet of a VRUC and DCRSD collaboration!

Anonymous said...

"The good people of Hidden Valley Lake don't know how lucky they are to have ducked the bullet of a VRUC and DCRSD collaboration!"

Ha! Ha!

Rodney Dennerline would have found a way to latch on to HVL's dollars to provide his trailer park with an unending revenue stream, before one dime of that money went to the benefit of HVL residents!

Anonymous said...

I see ole Rodney has not changed!

I had one and only one dealing with him back when he was a commissioner.

Suffice to say, I was forced to go over his head to fix a property dispute problem one of Rodney's buddies was causing my family!

Dealing with Rodney is like dealing with a throw-back to a more, uncivilized, good ole boy era!

And if you were not one of the "good ole boys," you were screwed!

jb said...

"Further, anonymity protects the not so politically connected from the politically connected!"

"If you speak the truth, from what do you need protection?"

In small communities people obviously feel the need to be protected. For some it's just innate shyness. For others they worry about offending their neighbor's or their children's friends.
There are other who fear for their jobs or their businesses. What if they oppose the bankers and then need a loan? What if they oppose an attorney and the attorney sits on the bank board?
They list can go on and on- people are funny- politicians and their supporters are even "funnier." Watch them- they talk as if they are friends- they act like they are backing you- and then behind the scenes they are grooming someone else to take your place.
Can't wait to see how Hughes fares with these vipers in the next commissioner race. Wonder who they are grooming to run against him?

Anonymous said...

Wasn't the DCRSD formed to fix and take care of High Ridge's sewer problems...

...and the only person to date who was truly "taken care of" was Rodney and his Trailer Park?

Anonymous said...

The blog is a wonderful thing for our community. It gives the people of our community the opporunity to express themsleves and to be heard. This blog has helped the good powerful people conquer the corruption of our society. To get the truth out before its to late to stop wrong doings. The truth can be backed by facts; but lyies can not. Thanks to all that were involved in making this blog possible.

Greatfully Yours 1st. Musketeer

tjaw said...

jb said...
Comments above.
9:14 AM, August 21, 2007

and

Anonymous said...
Comments above.
7:21 AM, August 21, 2007

Very good points. I think this blog is a great place to post concerns such as you mentioned.
What I don't like are the mean and unfounded comments such as:


Anonymous said...
Comments above.
1:16 AM, August 17, 2007

Those comments completely destroy the credibility of good people trying to fight true injustice.

Anonymous said...

Those comments completely destroy the credibility of good people trying to fight true injustice.

No, it just tarnishes that poster's image.

Bittner and Sammy may be self-serving opportunists, but that does not mean the rest on or connected with the VRUC are the same!

Broad brushes can get messy!

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