Thursday, August 09, 2007

Greendale Council Approved Proposed Contract with VRUC

AGREEMENT

This Agreement is executed by the City of Greendale (“Greendale”) and the Valley Rural Utility Company (“VRUC”) in order to facilitate the provision of wastewater collection, treatment, and disposal service for unincorporated Dearborn County and in order to provide water service for VRUC’s customers. This Agreement is premised on the following recitals:

A. Greendale is a municipality in the State of Indiana. Greendale provides sewer collection and treatment service and water treatment and distribution service in and around its corporate limits.

B. Wastewater collected by Greendale is treated at the South Dearborn Regional Sewer District (‘South Dearborn”) plant. Pursuant to a contract among South Dearborn, Greendale, the Cities of Lawrenceburg (“Lawrenceburg”) and Aurora (“Aurora”), and Pernod Ricard USA (Seagrams), the contracting parties Greendale, Lawrenceburg, Aurora and Seagrams each own defined capacity in the South Dearborn treatment plant. A copy of that contract is attached hereto as Exhibit A (the “South Dearborn Contract”).

C. VRUC is a public utility and a sewage disposal company pursuant to I.C. 8-1-2-89, possessing certificates of territorial authority (“CTAs”) to provide sewage disposal service in certain unincorporated areas of Dearborn County issued by the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission (“IURC”). VRUC is also a water utility.

D. VRUC’s most recent sewer CTA was issued pursuant to an order of the IURC issued July 6, 2005 in Cause No. 42673 (the “Expansion Territory”). The Expansion Territory is shown in yellow on the map attached hereto as Exhibit B. Greendale is presently providing sewage utility service to the Sugar Ridge Development in the Expansion Territory, but the balance of the Expansion Territory is presently unserved. Unless Greendale provides the treatment capacity, VRUC is incapable of providing sewer service to the Expansion Territory. Greendale has sewer facilities in the immediate vicinity of the unserved portions of the Expansion Territory, and the Expansion Territory lies within the area to which Greendale is lawfully authorized to provide sewer service.

E. For the most part VRUC’s sewer service consists of service to the platted subdivision known as Hidden Valley Lake (“HVL”). Except for a few customers who are already connected and being served as of the date of this Agreement, VRUC’s existing service area (the “Existing Service Area”) is shown in green on the map attached as Exhibit B. The Existing Service Area does not include the area shown in pink on Exhibit B except to the extent of customers who are already connected and being served as of the date of this Agreement. Treatment for wastewater collected by VRUC is provided through Greendale at the South Dearborn treatment plant. At one time this service was provided pursuant to an agreement with Greendale, the term of which has since expired. Since the expiration of the term of that agreement, such wastewater treatment service has been provided by Greendale to VRUC pursuant to Greendale’s schedule of sewer rates established by ordinance.

F. Greendale and VRUC desire to enter a new agreement specifying the terms under which Greendale will provide for wastewater treatment service to VRUC and providing for the provision of sewer service to the Expansion Territory.

G. VRUC also provides water service to its members in HVL and a few existing customers located outside HVL, and Greendale provides water service to VRUC for a limited time pursuant to a Settlement Agreement dated October 31, 2005, between the parties. The parties desire to extend the duration and further define the terms for such water service.

NOW THEREFORE the parties agree as follows:

1. For a period of thirty (30) years commencing from the date of this Agreement, Greendale shall provide sewer service to VRUC for all wastewater collected by VRUC in the Existing Service Area (the Existing Service Area shown in green on Exhibit B plus other customers who are already connected and being served as of the date of this Agreement) pursuant to the following terms:

(a) For the entire 30-year period, VRUC will deliver to Greendale at the current point of interconnection all wastewater collected by VRUC in the Existing Service Area.

(b) Greendale shall charge VRUC for all wastewater delivered a rate of $2.18 per 1,000 gallons, which rate may be changed from time to time by ordinance subject to the following limitation: any changes to the rate will be made at the same time Greendale changes all of its sewer rates based upon volumetric water usage and must be made in the same percentage as Greendale changes such rates generally applicable within the corporate limits of Greendale.

(c) For all new connections or new construction or remodeling of existing construction producing additional wastewater flow in the Existing Service Area, VRUC shall pay the Greendale system development charge per equivalent dwelling unit pursuant to Greendale Municipal Code § 53.15(B).

(d) The service provided pursuant to this paragraph shall be construed as a requirements contract. During the thirty (30) year period, VRUC shall not displace the wastewater treatment service provided by Greendale under this paragraph by building its own sewage treatment capacity or contracting with any other person or entity for wastewater treatment service to the Existing Service Area.

(e) VRUC shall not deliver to Greendale quantities of wastewater in excess of Greendale’s capacity to accept, treat, and transport such wastewater.

2. VRUC agrees that VRUC and all VRUC customers shall be subject to such sewer use ordinances that Greendale may adopt on a nondiscriminatory basis and which are consistent with the definition of “Sewer Usage Ordinance” in Sec. 1.35 of the South Dearborn Contract and with the requirements of Section 4 of the South Dearborn Contract.

3. For a period of the longer of (a) twelve years from the date of this Agreement or (b) with respect to each Subdivision (as defined herein), when that Subdivision has been annexed into Greendale, VRUC shall be the wastewater treatment provider for the Expansion Territory exclusive of Sugar Ridge Development (the “Subdivisions”) pursuant to the terms of this Agreement. Each “Subdivision” within the “Subdivisions” shall refer to each particular platted subdivision development within the Subdivisions. VRUC shall provide such service only pursuant to the terms of this Agreement and shall not serve the Subdivisions through any other means. Developers of the Subdivisions shall construct sewer lines, pumps, valves, appurtenances, and such other sewer facilities necessary to serve the respective developments and connect them to Greendale’s existing sewer lines. To the extent recoupment and/or reimbursement may be owed to other customers and/or developers related to the facilities to which such sewer facilities will connect, the Developers must agree to pay such recoupment and/or reimbursement. The design and construction of these sewer facilities shall be subject to Greendale’s reasonable approvals. Upon completion of construction, the ownership of the sewer mains, pumps, valves, appurtenances, and other sewer facilities to serve the respective developments will be dedicated by the developer(s) to Greendale, subject to a lease of such facilities to VRUC for a period of the longer of (a) twelve (12) years from the date of this Agreement or (b) with respect to each Subdivision, when that Subdivision has been annexed into Greendale. Upon such dedication and acceptance, Greendale shall commence serving these customers directly as the agent of VRUC. No rent will be owed by VRUC or otherwise for such lease, but VRUC will hold such leasehold interest pursuant to this Agreement throughout the period of the lease as set forth in this paragraph. Upon the termination of the lease, these customers shall become direct customers of Greendale and VRUC shall no longer have the right to serve them.

4. Greendale’s sewer service to these customers in the Subdivisions will be commensurate with the service and level of service Greendale provides its own customers. Greendale shall be responsible for all aspects of service, including maintenance, repairs, capital improvements (as necessary), customer service, billing, and collecting of payments. The treatment capacity to serve the Subdivisions will be provided from Greendale’s capacity in the South Dearborn treatment plant. The wastewater flow from the Subdivisions shall not be subject to the volumetric rate provided in Paragraph 1.(b) of this Agreement.

5. Throughout the term of this Agreement, VRUC’s generally applicable schedule of rates as approved by the IURC shall apply to service provided to the Subdivisions. Greendale shall bill and collect from customers in the Subdivisions VRUC’s rates and charges so approved for VRUC.

6. For all new connections or new construction or remodeling of existing construction producing additional flow in the Subdivisions, VRUC shall pay the Greendale system development charge per equivalent dwelling unit pursuant to Greendale Municipal Code § 53.15(B).

7. As compensation for operating and maintaining the system and providing service on a contract basis to the Subdivisions as provided herein, Greendale shall receive the portion of the receipts from customers in the Subdivisions which is equivalent to the rates and charges that would have applied and been collected as if the customers were direct customers of Greendale. On a daily basis, Greendale will deposit all funds collected from customers in the Subdivisions into an account in VRUC’s name with a financial institution in Greendale or Lawrenceburg. On a monthly basis, Greendale shall provide a report showing all funds collected, the portion of the funds collected which represents Greendale’s compensation hereunder, and the remainder which is VRUC’s portion. Within five (5) days of receipt of such report, the VRUC shall transfer to Greendale the portion which represents Greendale’s compensation hereunder as shown on such report. If VRUC fails to pay the amount shown, Greendale may provide thirty (30) days notice to terminate the lease provided in Paragraph 3 of this Agreement. If VRUC has not paid in full by the conclusion of such thirty (30) day period, the lease shall be terminated immediately, the customers in the Subdivisions will become the direct customers of Greendale, and VRUC shall no longer have the right to serve customers in the Subdivisions. In addition to authority to terminate the lease for nonpayment by VRUC, Greendale may offset the amounts due and owing by VRUC against the daily deposits of funds collected from customers in the Subdivisions pursuant to this Paragraph.

8. Pursuant to Ind. Code § 36-9-22-2, Greendale’s contract with the developers of the Subdivisions for the construction of the needed sewer main extensions shall include on behalf of the developer and the developer’s successors in title the waiver of the right to remonstrate in a future annexation by Greendale. The contract will be recorded by Greendale before the sale of lots by the developer. Before being permitted to connect, any customer served by these mains must also waive the right to remonstrate in a future annexation by Greendale.

9. For so long as Greendale is providing sewer service to VRUC, VRUC agrees not to seek to provide sewer service to areas outside the Existing Service Area (shown in green on Exhibit B together with existing customers who were already connected and receiving service as of the date of this Agreement) and outside the Subdivisions as provided herein and not to seek additional or expanded CTAs from the IURC without Greendale’s consent. Greendale will consent to the provision of such service in the area shown in pink on Exhibit B but only pursuant to the same terms set forth in Paragraph 3-8 herein as apply to the Subdivisions. This term shall survive the expiration of the thirty-year period set forth in Paragraph 1 herein and shall continue thereafter for so long as Greendale provides service to VRUC at the conclusion of such period.

10. For a period of thirty (30) years from the date of this Agreement, Greendale shall supply and VRUC shall purchase all of VRUC’s requirements for water to be supplied to VRUC’s existing customers and VRUC’s future customers within HVL. Such service shall be provided at a rate of $1.08 per thousand gallons through October 31, 2007. The rate will change to $1.11 per thousand gallons effective November 1, 2007, and again to $1.15 per thousand gallons effective November 1, 2008. After October 31, 2009, the rate shall be the lowest volumetric rate in Greendale’s rate schedule as established by ordinance. Thereafter, such rate may be changed at such time as Greendale changes all of its volumetric rates for water service and in the same percentage as Greendale changes its volumetric rates for water service generally applicable within the corporate limits of Greendale. Greendale shall not have an obligation to deliver quantities of water in excess of its capability to deliver water to VRUC. In the event of a shortage of water supply, supply may be limited to VRUC on the same terms as such supply is limited to all Greendale customers. VRUC shall be responsible to maintain its own system to maintain minimum pressures and fire flows which VRUC considers to be necessary and adequate. Greendale shall only be obligated to provide water to serve VRUC’s existing customers and VRUC’s future customers within HVL and shall have no obligation to provide VRUC water to serve customers in any other location. VRUC shall not extend its water lines within HVL to serve areas outside HVL. The service provided pursuant to this paragraph shall be construed as a requirements contract. VRUC shall not displace the water service provided by Greendale hereunder by constructing its own source of supply or contracting with any other person or entity for water supply. VRUC may, however, make provision for a redundant source of supply for emergencies or water shortages and shall be permitted to utilize that redundant source of supply as necessary in order to flush lines connecting to said supply.

11. Greendale shall not be liable for an interruption in water or sewer utility service occurring due to circumstances that are outside Greendale’s reasonable control or occurring absent gross negligence on the part of Greendale.

12. Greendale shall be the owner of the water and sewer meters that measure the water and wastewater flow for purposes of the volumetric rates provided in Paragraphs 1 and 10 of this Agreement. Greendale shall have the right and the duty to test, repair and replace such meters in its discretion. Not any more often than once every 12 months, VRUC may request that Greendale test either or both meters. When a meter is found to be inaccurate by greater than 2%, the meter shall be repaired or replaced by Greendale as necessary. Bills for service to VRUC shall be corrected for the period of the inaccuracy, but not for more than one year, by using flows measured from a comparable period.

13. At the conclusion of the thirty (30) year periods provided in Paragraphs 1 and 10, the parties may negotiate new agreements pursuant to terms that are mutually acceptable. In the event new agreements are not negotiated for water and/or sewer service, VRUC may continue to receive water and/or sewer service pursuant to rates and charges duly adopted by ordinance by Greendale for all customers of VRUC who are connected and receiving service as of the conclusion of such thirty (30) year periods. Greendale shall have no obligation to supply water to or to receive wastewater from customers of VRUC who were not connected as of the conclusion of such thirty (30) year periods.

14. Neither party shall have right to assign its interests under this Agreement without the consent of the other party.

15. Each of the undersigned represents that he is duly authorized to execute this Agreement on behalf of the respective party.

__________________________________________
Valley Rural Utility Company

By: ______________________________________
Date:______________________________________

___________________________________________
City of Greendale

By: ________________________________________
Date:_______________________________________



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Anonymous said...

Bittner and Sammy may be self-serving opportunists, but that does not mean the rest on or connected with the VRUC are the same!

Broad brushes can get messy!
12:33 PM, August 21, 2007

Say What????????

Anonymous said...

Say What????????

Just saying folks should not judge HVL by the few characters involved with VRUC as well as folks should not judge this blog by a few who post here.

Anonymous said...

The leaders seem to be the lawyers. They get to send a bill for their work.
The followers are the ones that don't THINK and allow the lawyers to lead them,then pay them ridiculous fees.

The VRUC "old order" were LED. VRUC is in shambles and the HVL people will continue to pay for poor leadership for some time to come.

Anonymous said...

The VRUC "old order" were LED.

True!!!

The "Old Order" was a "Shyster's Dream Team" of the gullible and the easily fleeced!!!

L. Parvin Price played the greed of a few on the board like a finely tuned instrument!!!

Flim-Flamming other Flim-Flammers can be amusing if they are being Flim-Flammed of their own wallets and pocketbooks.

However, the VRUC Flim-Flammers were played by L. Parvin Price with our money at stake!

Anonymous said...

Jerry Hacker is not getting his fair critique. He was the president of VRUC since its inception. IMO, under his "leadership" and lawyer Price's guidance VRUC has been, for lack of better terms, raped and skeletonized.

What do think?

Anonymous said...

I believe Hacker got caught up in the "power" aspects of his position at the VRUC.

Hacker then personalized every general question concerning the operation and management of the VRUC as an attack on him personally, which caused him to dig in his heels and get caught up in inconsequential personal conflicts and grudging legal battles!

Folks like Sammy just played off Hacker’s penchants and predilections for her own selfish reasons!

Anonymous said...

Hacker, I believe is still on the BOD of UCB Bank.
Would you call it a conflict of interest in his being on the UCB board and UCB making a loan to VRUC in order to pay off bond principal. The debt has been restructured but very little principal has been paid since inception.

Anonymous said...

Conflict of interest?

Probably not.

But it is a prime example of how "cozy" if not "incestual" relationships between nominal power players in small towns can cause far to much heat to be focused on public/business transactions than the situations generally call for!

These are stupid business and personal decisions by our local small-time arrogant autocrats!

And face it, this county has a prosecutor more interested in the photo-op and a puff-piece on his crime fighting antics than to spend his time looking into the finances of those who put him in office!

Witness the silly-ass posters around the county with him posing like he is in a commercial for "Law and Order!"

Humorous!

Far too much influence peddling goes on in all branches of city, county and munincipal government.

Anonymous said...

Hacker, I believe is still on the BOD of UCB Bank.
Would you call it a conflict of interest in his being on the UCB board and UCB making a loan to VRUC in order to pay off bond principal. The debt has been restructured but very little principal has been paid since inception.


What other bank would have viewed the VRUC as a "good risk?"

A bank board, looking at a very small sewer company with $500,000.00 in legal fees, when other sewer companies, similarly situated have legal bill under $20,000.00 for same duration, would be hard-pressed to loan the VRUC any money at all!

Shareholders of the bank should have a bigger beef with Hacker's participation in this deal than the residents of HVL.

Anonymous said...

"a very small sewer company with $500,000.00 in legal fees"

And that $500,000 is just the amount of legal fees paid .I hear there's another $250,000 in legal fees that lawyer Price has not billed and the VRUC is paying $20,000 a month towards that "Lawyer Price legal" bill.

Keep in mind, this was all done/happened during Jerry Hackers presidency.

Anonymous said...

"Keep in mind, this was all done/happened during Jerry Hackers presidency."

Hacker's participation in the VRUC's legal quagmire is a given!

However, but-for Hacker's position on the bank board, no other bank would have loaned the VRUC a dime!

Hacker's roll on the bank board is more problematic for bank's board than the VRUC!

Don't misread my view, Hacker's participation in either board is beyond questionable.

His actions downright stink!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I hear there's another $250,000 in legal fees that lawyer Price has not billed...
2:31 PM, August 21, 2007

I always have the utmost confidence in messages that begin with "I hear."

Anonymous said...

'I always have the utmost confidence in messages that begin with "I hear."'

Prove that statement wrong!
Don't be lazy, do a little investigation and you will find the truth.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

'I always have the utmost confidence in messages that begin with "I hear."'

Prove that statement wrong!
Don't be lazy, do a little investigation and you will find the truth.
2:58 PM, August 21, 2007

Okay! Tell me where you "heard" this tid bit, and I will get of my lazy a** and call them.

Anonymous said...

I always have the utmost confidence in messages that begin with "I hear."

On what and where did Sammy and Jeff base all their "doomsday" scenarios concerning hooking up with Greendale?

They pulled them out of their asses because a union between the VRUC and Greendale, while unarguably beneficial to HVL, would not have given Sammy and Jeff control of the course of development surrounding HVL!

Anonymous said...

"Okay! Tell me where you "heard" this tid bit, and I will get of my lazy a** and call them. "

Call VRUC and ask them about the monthly $20,000 paid to Bose Mckinny Evans. But remember, itemization of the invoices legal or otherwise is not VRUC's strong suit. They lump/hide it all since they are a private corporation.

Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Call VRUC and ask them about the monthly $20,000 paid to Bose Mckinny Evans. But remember, itemization of the invoices legal or otherwise is not VRUC's strong suit. They lump/hide it all since they are a private corporation.

Good luck.
3:20 PM, August 21, 2007

I don't dispute the monthly debt reduction of $20,000. Its the "I hear there's another $250,000 in legal fees..." that I question. Where did you "hear" this?
BTW, being a "private corporation dose not exempt them the law, and the auditor verifies legal invoices and each invoice has a brief description of work.

Anonymous said...

Well, even if the legal bill is closer to 3/4 million, I'm sure Jeff Bittner and friends think that money was well spent!

It was in their "personal" interests that Greendale be fought all the way!

Regardless of the impact to the residents of HVL!

Anonymous said...

I don't dispute the monthly debt reduction of $20,000."

Ask the VRUC the total amount of the legal debt they are in the process of "reducing."

Simple enough!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Well, even if the legal bill is closer to 3/4 million, I'm sure Jeff Bittner and friends think that money was well spent!

It was in their "personal" interests that Greendale be fought all the way!

Regardless of the impact to the residents of HVL!
3:34 PM, August 21, 2007
The last list of VRUC BOD members show only ONE Jeff Bittner. There are SEVEN BOD members.

Anonymous said...

"Where did you "hear" this?"

It was at the monthly VRUC meetings. It should be in the meeting minutes.

You should go to the meetings,you would learn. Anyway, I'd call them to satisfy your curiosity.

Anonymous said...

The last list of VRUC BOD members show only ONE Jeff Bittner. There are SEVEN BOD members.

Sheep usually run in the direction the wolf is chasing them!

Anonymous said...

$500,000.00 or 750,000.00!

It is mind numbing the amount of money wasted for nothing more than greed and/or the pride of a few!

Anonymous said...

From the VRUC P&L statement dated 8/14/07.
YTD legal service was $84,945. That is $12,135 a month. NOT $20,000.

Anonymous said...

"It is mind numbing the amount of money wasted for nothing more than greed and/or the pride of a few!"

Very true! That money could have fixed a lot of failing pipes in the collection system.

Now it's gone.

Anonymous said...

From the VRUC P&L statement dated 8/14/07.
YTD legal service was $84,945. That is $12,135 a month. NOT $20,000.


Did you look under unrelated office expense?

Anonymous said...

From the VRUC Balance Sheet dated 8/14/07.
Total accounts payable is $242,273.
Please note, this is "TOTAL" not legal. So it looks like someone is exaggerating. Yes?

Anonymous said...

No exageration.
Just corner Bill,the numbers man.
He knows.

Anonymous said...

YTD legal service

I'm not an accountant, but I believe that YTD stands for Year To Date!

Which, is usually used for tax purposes.

You need to ask the VRUC the total amount of legal expenses included from the first day someone used the services of an attorney at the VRUC.

Further, one needs to know how a particular law firm bills its clients, for the tax benefits of both the law firm and the clients.

Anonymous said...

Did you look under unrelated office expense?
3:55 PM, August 21, 2007

There is no "unrelated office expense.
YTD
Account 668-Office Sup. $3,491
Account 768-Office Sup. $4,563
Nope! no $250,000 legal fees there either.

Anonymous said...

"There is no "unrelated office expense. "

VRUC had $500,000 in that category a couple of years ago. I guess they are changing their categories.
Just call and ask Bill the Numbers man for VRUC. He knows.

Anonymous said...

YTD legal service

I'm not an accountant, but I believe that YTD stands for Year To Date! Correct!

Which, is usually used for tax purposes. No. I am not an accountant either, but everyone in business must keep track of "YTD" to make sure you stay under budget or the boss gets mad.

You need to ask the VRUC the total amount of legal expenses included from the first day someone used the services of an attorney at the VRUC. My God! You are totaling legal fees back to the days when HVL residents sued Rupel for control of the water and sewer system! Get Real!

Further, one needs to know how a particular law firm bills its clients, for the tax benefits of both the law firm and the clients.
Tax benefits? Its called income for the law firm and expense for the VRUC. Tax benefits?
4:03 PM, August 21, 2007

Anonymous said...

VRUC had $500,000 in that category a couple of years ago. I guess they are changing their categories.
Just call and ask Bill the Numbers man for VRUC. He knows.
4:10 PM, August 21, 2007

At $20,000 paid per month it would take over two years to pay that off. And with the new charges that you claim, where is that $500,000 hidden?

Anonymous said...

I always have the utmost confidence in messages that begin with "I hear."

On what and where did Sammy and Jeff base all their "doomsday" scenarios concerning hooking up with Greendale?

They pulled them out of their asses because a union between the VRUC and Greendale, while unarguably beneficial to HVL, would not have given Sammy and Jeff control of the course of development surrounding HVL!

Come on, VRUC apologist, address this question and statement?

Since you like "cold hard facts"!

Or are your standards for your VRUC clan a bit lower?

Anonymous said...

"At $20,000 paid per month it would take over two years to pay that off. And with the new charges that you claim, where is that $500,000 hidden? "

The VRUC "numbers man" Bill knows.

The VRUC phone number is in the phone book, Call and ask the source.

Anonymous said...

Come on, VRUC apologist, address this question and statement?

Since you like "cold hard facts"!

Or are your standards for your VRUC clan a bit lower?
4:32 PM, August 21, 2007

If you are addressing me, I don't know the "doomsday" scenarios. But I do know that the Greendale Mayor refused to meet with Sammy and Jerry over the first contract a few years ago.

Anonymous said...

The VRUC "numbers man" Bill knows.

4:32 PM, August 21, 2007

I got the annual statement from Bill. It was certified by the auditor. No hidden $500,000

Anonymous said...

”The VRUC phone number is in the phone book, Call and ask the source.”

This has nothing to do with sources or facts, this gal just wants to obfuscate and complicate all things related to the VRUC’s past indiscretions.

Which is why she cannot, or will not hold the “Old Guard” to the same standards of “proof” as she demands of everyone else.

She is just a sad champion of the “Old Guard’s” trespasses!

Anonymous said...

But I do know that the Greendale Mayor refused to meet with Sammy and Jerry over the first contract a few years ago.

Sammy and Jerry made it quite clear they were not in the mood to negotiate, but only to dictate terms!

Even to this day, Sammy is an outspoken critic of the contract.

But for what reasons?

Both you and I know the reasons and it has nothing to do with the welfare of the residents of HVL!

Anonymous said...

Even to this day, Sammy is an outspoken critic of the contract.

But for what reasons?

Both you and I know the reasons and it has nothing to do with the welfare of the residents of HVL!
4:51 PM, August 21, 2007
When Sammy became the spokesperson for the development North of HVL she addimitted a conflict of interest and resigned the VRUC board position.
As for her criticism of the contract, she will have to speak for herself. But to give her credit where credit is due. She does have far more knowledge of VRUC and it's past that most of the present BOD members.

Anonymous said...

" She does have far more knowledge of VRUC and it's past that most of the present BOD members."

That wouldn't take much.
Her story changes with her needs.

Ask her about the $20,000 monthly lawyer fees and the $500,000 of unrelated office expense.

I'll bet she knows!!!

Anonymous said...

Ask her about the $20,000 monthly lawyer fees and the $500,000 of unrelated office expense.

I'll bet she knows!!!
6:34 PM, August 21, 2007

From the numbers documented above, it has been proven that your numbers are grossly exaggerated. Perhaps Sammy is paying them out of the goodness of her heart. You go girl!!!!!

Anonymous said...

TELL MR.AND MRS. LAROSA TO TELL YOU WHAT GREENDALE GET PAY BY VRUC AND WHAT THEY PAY SDRSD FOR ALL IT COST AMD MADE SURE SHE KNOW THE FACT.

Anonymous said...

But to give her credit where credit is due. She does have far more knowledge of VRUC and it's past that most of the present BOD members.

And she knows how to play the system in her favor, even if it costs the rest of us a bundle!

A realtor/developers interest in sewers is in no way related to helping the common good...

...the interest is only self-interest...

...and in Sammy's case it is to facilitate her realty/development interests...

...no matter the cost to the rest of us!

Anonymous said...

TELL MR.AND MRS. LAROSA TO TELL YOU WHAT GREENDALE GET PAY BY VRUC AND WHAT THEY PAY SDRSD FOR ALL IT COST AMD MADE SURE SHE KNOW THE FACT.

Take a breath and think of what you want to say, then write it.

We will wait for you to collect your thoughts.

Anonymous said...

u go girl!!!!!

Problem being:

SHE KEEPS GOING FOR OUR WALLETS!!!

Anonymous said...

SO YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACT

Anonymous said...

SO YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACT

I can't comprehend what your point is.

Restate your point...cogently.

Anonymous said...

IF YOU CHECK THE FACT VRUC PAY OVER 100% OF GREENDALE COST FOR SEWER TEATMENT

Anonymous said...

IF YOU CHECK THE FACT VRUC PAY OVER 100% OF GREENDALE COST FOR SEWER TEATMENT



What do the residents pay to the VRUC over and above the cost to Greendale?

And the FACT that the "Old Guard" was negotiating with the DCRSD, all the while knowing that contract would be over 7 times that of the Greendale contract, should really bother you. Right?

Anonymous said...

What do the residents pay to the VRUC over and above the cost to Greendale?

Good question!

The next question should be:

HOW MUCH OF THAT PROFIT HAS GONE TO FIXING THE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE OF HVL AND HOW MUCH HAS GONE TO LEGAL EXPENSES?

Anonymous said...

And the FACT that the "Old Guard" was negotiating with the DCRSD, all the while knowing that contract would be over 7 times that of the Greendale contract, should really bother you. Right?
7:38 PM, August 21, 2007
WRONG!
They were just as shocked as the rest of us when it was reported by
"Dennerline: $2.18 is a fantastic rate. DCRSD would be 5 or 6 times that and no water."

Anonymous said...

HOW MUCH OF THAT PROFIT HAS GONE TO FIXING THE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE OF HVL AND HOW MUCH HAS GONE TO LEGAL EXPENSES?
7:46 PM, August 21, 2007

Check the annual report available at the VRUC office.

Anonymous said...

OVER 1,6000,000 TO FIX SEWER IN HVL

Anonymous said...

"Dennerline: $2.18 is a fantastic rate. DCRSD would be 5 or 6 times that and no water."
7:56 PM, August 21, 2007

As reported on this blog "2 August 2007 DCRSD Meeting"
And the $2.18 is for sewer only, does not include water.

Anonymous said...

WRONG!
They were just as shocked as the rest of us when it was reported by
"Dennerline: $2.18 is a fantastic rate. DCRSD would be 5 or 6 times that and no water."


So, some of the "Old Guard" were so intent and fixated on shunning the Greendale contract because it did not pay the appropriate tribute to the Development Faction on and involved with the VRUC, that some of the "Old Guard" were negotiating from a position of hopeful and intentional ignorance?

Anonymous said...

OVER 1,6000,000 TO FIX SEWER IN HVL

How much went to fixing the sewers and how much to just line the pockets of few "connected" middle-men?

Anonymous said...

VRUC, that some of the "Old Guard" were negotiating from a position of hopeful and intentional ignorance?
8:03 PM, August 21, 2007
Every is unaware of the cost until you start putting numbers on paper and add them up. If you already know the answers, I would like to go to the boat with you.

Anonymous said...

ARE THE ONE THAT ARE TALKING THE ONE THAT LET A OVERFLOW GO FOR 3 DAY BEFORE THEY CALL ANY ONE.

Anonymous said...

OVER 1,6000,000 TO FIX SEWER IN HVL

So, you seem to have the figures at your finger tips.

How much more do the residents pay the VRUC over and above what the VRUC pays Greendale?

Anonymous said...

No Maria.

Anonymous said...

How much more do the residents pay the VRUC over and above what the VRUC pays Greendale?
8:08 PM, August 21, 2007

That is a moot point. VRUC pays Greendale only for transporting and processing sewage. VRUC must charge more than that to maintain it's plant.

Anonymous said...

ARE THE ONE THAT ARE TALKING THE ONE THAT LET A OVERFLOW GO FOR 3 DAY BEFORE THEY CALL ANY ONE.

OK!!!

Now I know you are trying to obtuse.!!!

Quit with the "illiterate" character!!!

Just go back to responding in bold fonts!!!

Anonymous said...

Its not me!

Anonymous said...

Someone thinks it Maria.
Good guess.

Anonymous said...

YES I DO KNOW THE FIGURES CHECK THE FACT

Anonymous said...

Every is unaware of the cost until you start putting numbers on paper and add them up. If you already know the answers, I would like to go to the boat with you.

You know what you were paying Greendale, an established entity with established infrastructure, but you were negotiating, realtor/developer to realtor/developer with the DCRSD knowing they had nothing to show but a name and a desire to stick it to the residents of Dearborn County for the benefit of a handful of realtor/developers!!!

Anonymous said...

"Someone thinks it Maria.
Good guess."


You must lose a lot on the boats!!!

You folks really hate Larosa!!!

Is this the same Maria Larosa who used to do the local weather?

If so...she is cute!!!

Anonymous said...

I WAS NOT NEGOTIATING .I CHECK THE FACT

Anonymous said...

That is a moot point. VRUC pays Greendale only for transporting and processing sewage. VRUC must charge more than that to maintain it's plant.

You misuse the term "Moot," but that is ok!

What do the residents pay above and beyond what the VRUC pays to Greendale?

Anonymous said...

I WAS NOT NEGOTIATING .I CHECK THE FACT

Stop it!

It is no longer cute!

You little "Dickens!"

Anonymous said...

THE RESIDENTS SURE PAY THE SAME AS WE PAY GREENDALE JUST LIKE YOU DADDY INLAW PAY TO MADE A PIZZA.

Anonymous said...

Shoot the messinger.

Anonymous said...

Then read the note.

Anonymous said...

THE RESIDENTS SURE PAY THE SAME AS WE PAY GREENDALE JUST LIKE YOU DADDY INLAW PAY TO MADE A PIZZA.

Would someone look for a "TARD POD" under this person's bed!

Not only is he intellectually challenged, he thinks I am Larosa!

Our "plumbing" does not even match!

Anonymous said...

THANK YOU

Anonymous said...

"While the politcal gatekeepers consist of the Bittners, Gutzwilers, Fehrmans, Bennings, Foxes and Hughes varieties, there will remain a need for a blog such as this"

Would just like to remind people that Gutzwiler an Benning have those names only because of who they married. An in Benning's case her husband had sense enough to divorce her.

Anonymous said...

THEN GET OUT OF BED WITH HER

Anonymous said...

"Then read the note."

I give up!

Is someone posting "Post-It" notes somewhere that the rest of us are missing?

Or is this person typing from his lock-down ward's computer?

Anonymous said...

Is this the same Maria Larosa who used to do the local weather?

If so...she is cute!!!
8:21 PM, August 21, 2007

She has aged a bit but still a looker. But...not to bright.

Anonymous said...

Would just like to remind people that Gutzwiler an Benning have those names only because of who they married. An in Benning's case her husband had sense enough to divorce her.

As an outside observer and with all due respect, coupled with the fact that I find Vera absolutely reprehensible...

...it is the Rumps that are getting divorced...

...Vera's daughter...

...who is probably a nice young girl...

...her sister is...

...who is married to Dave Davies!

Maybe Rump could not stand living next to such a harridan of a mother-in-law!

Anonymous said...

Our "plumbing" does not even match!
8:43 PM, August 21, 2007

There is a Mr. LaRosa, but she is the smart one.

Anonymous said...

She has aged a bit but still a looker. But...not to bright.

If she is not to bright, why then is she not trying her hand at Real Estate or "doing" some Development Contractor?

The two are usually the last ones to leave the bar with a "Winner," if you know what I mean!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

There is a Mr. LaRosa, but she is the smart one.

If Mr. LaRosa is the dim-witted one...

...he must be a giant amongst Jeff and Sammy's clan!

Shout out to Mr. LaRosa:

Enjoy your pizzas, but can only afford them when I have a coupon!

Does your family still own the "Mackeral Snapper" Convent next to McCaully[sp] High School?

I married a McCaully girl!

Thank God she is a Methodist now!

Even though I am a naturalist, whatever that means!

Anonymous said...

"Our "plumbing" does not even match!
8:43 PM, August 21, 2007

There is a Mr. LaRosa, but she is the smart one."


LET ME GUESS, YOU HAVE DUAL PLUMBING?

THE DECISIONS AND CALCULATIONS LEADING UP TO YOUR SENIOR PROM MUST HAVE BEEN EXASPERATING FOR YOU AND YOUR ANDROGYNOUS SIGNIFICANT OTHER???

Anonymous said...

"Even though I am a naturalist, whatever that means!"

A "Naturalist" means the only thing getting you up on Sunday Mornings is the "crazy" Cat Bird dive bombing your hounds outside your window!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kill the Cat Bird and you will be an "Agnostic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Anonymous said...

Kill the Cat Bird and you will be an "Agnostic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Thank you for your advice.

But GOD is real!

And so will be HIS judgement against those who would take advantage of his PRECIOUS CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

And on that note I will say "Goodnight and God Bless."

Anonymous said...

Is this the same Maria Larosa who used to do the local weather?

No.

Anonymous said...

The contract has been signed.
Thanks to all that have worked to acheive autonomy.
The hard work is just starting. Rebuilding 12 plus years of neglected sewers will take time and money. I feel the new board which is presently mapping out their strategy is up to the task.

Remember,Good luck begins with consistant, conscientious hard WORK.

Anonymous said...

There is a God in the heaven! It took five years or more to stop the sewage plant. The 30 year contract was just what the people needed to secure there future, and there property values. We give our gratitude to the following: New President Jack Arudin, Stan Beeler, Maria and Tom La Rosa, Mayor Hedrick, Al Abdon, Steve Lambert, Mayor Cunningham,Mel Davis, Ralph Thomson,Mr.& Mrs.Jacabson, Bill Acra. The individuals above did'nt give up the fight to do what was best for the Hidden Valley residents. Thank you all!

Congratulations for saving our community from disaster.......

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