Sunday, November 25, 2007

HOME BUILDERS LETTER TO COMMISSIONERS ON MASTER PLAN MAP

DCHBA
Dearborn County
HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION
P.O. Box 21 Aurora, IN 47001
Phone: (812) 926-3375
Website: www.dearborncountyhba.com

DEARBORN COUNTY HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS
DEARBORN COUNTY DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL

November 16,2007

Dearborn County Commissioners
Dearborn County Administration Building
215 B West High Street
Lawrenceburg, IN 47025

Re: Proposed Comprehensive Plan
Land Use Map

Dear Commissioners:

We feel compelled, along with a feeling of responsibility as business owners of Dearborn County, to address some serious concerns we have with the proposed future land use map, which has been forwarded to you by the Plan Commission. Below is a list of items of concern:

•In our dialog with many of the Advisory Board members who were a part of developing this map, it was understood by most that this map does not represent any consensus that was reached by the committee's recommendations and understandings.
•This map does not address planning for the future business growth of this community. Basically, what this map does is establish where business uses already take place and gives future business land use designation to only a few parcels in the county, thus giving only a few landowners the value they deserve for their land. Furthermore, looking at the corridors that typically head east and west in our community - US 50, State Road 350, State Road 48, I-74 - and look along the north corridor, it is apparent that there was backlash from the recently proposed northwest quadrant plan that proposed business use in the northwest quadrant. This map totally does not touch that quadrant with regard to future land uses, because of the outcry that came from the most recently proposed industrial park in that area. To not take advantage the existing State Road 46 and 1-74 corridor for residential and/or commercial or industrial uses is irresponsible as a County.
•We understand that the County needs to maintain its character, which is what we believe makes Dearborn County special above the surrounding counties, but that character is for the entire county not just the north west quadrant. The future industrial growth needs to be balanced between the 1-74 corridor as well as the US 50 corridor. These two corridors are a main means of connection to other parts of the county, state and country. As it states on page 150 of the Comprehensive Plan under the Land Use Planning Principles, "Plan and direct growth to the extent that it can fairly balance the rights of landowners with community needs. As part of this planning effort, the entire community must work together for growth that stresses conservation of farmland and open space in rural areas as a way to preserve the local economy and to preserve a high quality of life." We feel this means that the growth needs to be balanced within the County. The northwest quadrant cannot be exempted from the county's needed economic future growth. The rights of landowners needs to be balanced.
•The high density residential areas that are designated on the map simply give residential uses to areas that already exist or are already approved. This gives the future homebuilding industry of this community nowhere to go in the future. This also minimizes the county to preserve the farmland in this county.
•This map takes value away from many landowners. This map seems to only benefit a few landowners with the potential of increasing the value of their land. The future growth of our county is severely limited by this map.
•Furthermore, the definitions outlined in colors laid out on the map are very restrictive. Our interpretation of the colors makes no general difference between the color yellow and the color green. The color yellow designates residential uses 1-5 acres, which is an already allowable use in the agricultural zone. The agricultural zone is colored green so for the purposes of this map, it can be interpreted that all of the yellow shall be colored green. The color orange currently shows already approved or already existing subdivisions that are one acre or less. The residential uses designated on the map in orange only show existing approved projects or currently platted and developed subdivisions and future areas designated with this color are very,. very limited. There are many orange areas that need to be connected to ensure the use of existing and adequate infrastructure. Also with the high density residential (orange) areas being limited to existing development, we are not meeting the Land Use Planning Principle (page 151) which states "Actively promote high-density, cluster development in order to preserve rural amenities.
•The map is to be "designed as a dynamic, advisory tool that will enable community officials to: Commit funding and resources--such as infrastructure and public service(s) improvements-to areas that are planned to support growth and development, starting in, and adjacent to urban and suburban areas that are more intensively developed. " (page 152) The proposed map lacks the ability to provide this service for our public and private agencies to plan the County's infrastructure needs.
• Currently it is widely known that the rising taxes in this County are a concern with residents, public officials and business owners. The existing land use composition in the County is 11.6% combined residential and 0.5% combined commercial and industrial. If you compare those percentages with the proposed: 16.6% residential and 1.6% commercial and industrial, the County will be no closer to closing the tax gap. The gap will be greater and the rising county tax issues will continue to increase.

To summarize, the failure to recognize the State Road 46/1-74 corridors, as a corridor of growth should not be acceptable by us as a County, especially when the map recognizes all of the other state and federal highway, i.e. US 50, State Road 350, corridors as future planned growth areas. State Road 46/1-74 is an area where we have not only one, but two, state and/or federal interstate highways and for this area not to show future growth as this country grows westward, especially with the impact from continued business and industrial growth from our western counties, is just not responsible planning by our County.

This map was dramatically influenced by a group of people in this county who have strong disagreements with the Viesta Study and failed to separate that study with the Future Land Use Map. If this map is adopted, it will be a major step backwards for this county and a disservice to future generations.

Even as a home building organization we recognize that the County needs a balance between residential and industrial/commercial growth, but everyone also needs to provide residential growth for our future generations .

We would recommend that the County Commissioners table the current map at this time. We request you review the work that the Advisory Committee did prior to the Viesta fire storm created by the residents of the northwest quadrant. The Advisory Committee created 6 general maps, which were generated prior to the public meetings of the northwest quadrant study. We understand the maps went for review by the public, but we also feel that there where too many residents not separating the two different planning tools.

Thank you for your time and please take the time to review the attached map with associated points.

Respectfully Submitted,


Mark A. Rosenberger
Board of Director DCHBA
Dearborn County Development Council

Mark Bossert
President DCHBA


We took the time to just point out a few of the anomalies of this map that specifically struck us as very odd, see attached map for key to below numbers:

1. Cedar Creek subdivision - agricultural subdivision with I-acre lots - by looking at the maps, this subdivision is seemingly very out of place because of its "high-density designation" surrounded by Green Agricultural/Rural designation. This subdivision was developed over 20 years ago and at the time provided much needed affordable housing to the north area of this county. Sure seems out of place on this map - even though it has better access to infrastructure, schools, large roadways and job centers than most of the rest of this county.
2. Harvest Ridge - the slight "bump out" of this orange color on the map seemed very odd to us. Further research determined that this represents an already approved subdivision and that explains the bump out of orange. This map obviously thinks that is out of place because areas to the north, west and south of this bump out are not given at least the same designation. Harvest Ridge was approved 2 or 3 years ago and is providing new homes to the residents in the north end of the county.
3. Falcon's Nest, Harley Springs, Misty Meadows, Autumn Way, and Steeple Chase subdivisions respectively - Again, these areas look as if they have never happened. They look out of place on this map. It is hard to assume that what we have done in the past was wrong and not, at a minimum, allowed for surrounding areas in the future. "Smart Growth" would dictate that these few subdivisions were not dense enough to preserve the green areas on the map. Smart Growth would also encourage the connection of these existing high-density areas with future high-density growth to help preserve agricultural and open space areas. The connection of these areas would also help to eliminate the potential for spot zoning or leap frog development.
4. For this "future" land use map not to recognize one of Dearborn County's most economically potential assets, the I-74/SR 46 corridor as a tremendous untapped resource is a real shame. The map seems to recognize the other main corridors in this county, but are limited by topography, poor location and not enough NIMBY-ism, as is within the "NW quadrant". This very economical viable area is being protected from any economic prosperity, due to a backlash to master planning recently proposed in that area that which by most people has been highly misunderstood.

The reason for the most support of this map does is because a select few know that it will only give this County the most minimizing opportunity for growth. This will lead to hop scotch, haphazard "stripping of roads" and platting of more I-acre residential certified surveys that have no "plan" for building a community. Please don't take a step backwards, when this County recently begun to strive for better planning. This map is doing a disservice to our future generations and the planning purpose of a Future Land Use Map. Current generations in control may feel that the map is ok, but the "short sightedness, unwillingness to embrace change" attitude will be the end of economic prosperity for this county.

94 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is Mark Rosenberger paid by the county? The Dearborn County Development Council...another organization that milks money from the County. Mark, do you want to join the Dearborn County Poker Club? It only costs a bottle of booze and a $10 entry fee.

Anonymous said...

The reason for the most support of this map does is because a select few know that it will only give this County the most minimizing opportunity for growth.

The planning for this map took place publicly, with every one invited to participate, not in some backroom, invitation only DCEDI fashion!

Now those who "publicly" participated are being labeled the "select few!"

Laughable and pathetic!

Our Development Crowd, has a nack for defining any majority opinion, not in lock-step with their demands and dicatates, as the minority opinion!

I would recommend job retraining to Mr. Rosenberger...but he would be equally unhappy in any vocation where he could not force his will on the majority!

Anonymous said...

Notice, the Rosenbergs of this county keep looking for more and more land to develop in this county, without any mention whatsoever as to who will pay for all the infrastructure needs of such development!

Does he have a "super-secret" plan for finacing such infrastructure, or will this just be another opportunity for all of us to "chip in" to better the bottomlines of our Developer class?

He does seem to have and interest in the tax base:

"Currently it is widely known that the rising taxes in this County are a concern with residents, public officials and business owners."

But in all areas where development is permitted to expand to any degree, far from existing infrastructure, taxes will go up, not down, to finance such development's infrastructure!

Unless and of course, they intend to follow the Chuck Andres and Brett Fehrman approach for infrastructure needs, force those already living around such development into bankruptcy to subsidize such infrastructure?

Anonymous said...

Yep!!!!

Without any corresponding talk as to how they plan to pay for all the infrastructure requirements for such development, they need not be taken seriously.

Until then, they should just be viewed as yet another special interest group with their hands outstretched for yet another taxpayer handout!

Anonymous said...

Sustainable growth can only occur from existing infrastructure outward!

Leap-frogging "growth" hap-hazardly across this county will only result in taxes skyrocketing and just encourage more situations where the heavy-handed approach of forcing others to subsidize such "growth" is utilized by crooked politicians!

Anonymous said...

This County's Public Officials have proven incabable of dealing with the growing pains caused by the High Ridge Estates mess, 30 years in the making...

...and we should trust these fools with more development?

Not only will our taxes continue to rise, we will be leaving our children with a multitude of "High Ridges" to fix!

Anonymous said...

Those stupid bastards at the dcrsd are planning to sewer entire regions with pressurized sewers and grinder pumps!

Where entire regions will be ass deep in ass matter after the very first and every following major power outage!

Sewers on the cheap permit fast profits for our realtors and developers!

But will leave a mess for the rest of us in the future!

Anonymous said...

How many members are in the DCHBA? Is the minority trying to over rule the majority again?

Anonymous said...

We keep hearing how these folks are going to keep our taxes down, but everything they offer requires significant expenditures of public money.

Where they seem to be the "ONLY" beneficiaries of such public spending!

Anonymous said...

I like rabbit hunting. I noticed on the land use map, there were no areas set aside for rabbit hunting. I want areas for rabbit hunting. The Dearborn County Rabbit Hunting Association (DCRHA).

Anonymous said...

Oh great, more houses, more schools, higher taxes!

Anonymous said...

I like to gig frogs. I noticed on the land use map there were no areas set aside for frog gigging.
Dearborn County Frog Gigging Association. (DCFGA)

Anonymous said...

But rabbit hunting does not require great outlays of public money, nor require those living around prime rabbit habitat to pay their fair share of such rabbit habitat.

That just does not seem to fit the realtor/developer/builder business plan!

Anonymous said...

Gigging frogs does not need lawyers retained to send letters out to the frogs demanding they make themselves easy targets.

Ewbank and Kramer, and their homely twin Lehner, could not in good conscience go along with such a plan!

Anonymous said...

Let the DCHBA come out against the on going theft in St. Leon and the proposed theft by the DCRSD and I will reconsider my position relative to: is the DCHBA truly looking out for the better interests of the residents of Dearborn County or just using us for easy and exploitable marks!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I have a news flash for Mr. Rosenberger:

DATE LINE: NOVEMBER 2008

"THE SELECT FEW VOTE OUT FOX AND HUGHES IN THE PRIMARY...SMART GROWTH CANDIDATES GO ON TO WIN IN THE GENERAL!!!!"

Anonymous said...

"Oh great, more houses, more schools, higher taxes!"

Well, supply must keep up with demand...

...and there is so much demand...

...that our realtor/developers are on the brink of complete bankruptcy unless the taxpayer subsidize, cushion and insure each and every cent they make!

Anonymous said...

How many other "thriving" businesses do you know who need the aid of crooked politicians and attorneys to send out letters "forcing" contributions from citizens to prop up their business enterprises?

Anonymous said...

Let the DCHBA come out against the on going theft in St. Leon and the proposed theft by the DCRSD

Don't be holding your breath.

Such theft supports the business model of the DCHBA.

Anonymous said...

The DCRSD has become the tool of "connected" realtor/developers, such as Board Member, Brett Fehrman, to turn investments such as the Gabbard property into a short-term, high profit investment, at the expense of the taxpayer and those with the terrible misfortune of living nearby his investment!

This is what all this talk of "growth" is offering the common citizen/taxpayer of this county!

Anonymous said...

Let the DCHBA, the DCEDI and the Chamber of Commerce come forward with concrete plans on procuring "PRIVATE" funding for all the infrastructure required for all their glorious and expansive development!

Until then, they should all be lumped in together, as just a few more, in the ever growing pool of spoiled and entitled needy applicants, waiting in line for a pass from our dishonest politicians, to pick our pockets!

Anonymous said...

"This map takes value away from many landowners. This map seems to only benefit a few landowners with the potential of increasing the value of their land."

Yes, Mark, those landowners living nearest to existing infrastructure, or in locales that better lend themselves to adding infrastructure, does increase the value of their land!

Supply and demand!

It is a bitch!

We all know, you would rather buy land in the rural hinterland, at costs that you can better afford, however, the costs of sewering such land alone, would be extraordinary for the County's taxpayers and/or utility customers!

For every dime you want to save up front on the purchase of rural land for your dense development, it will redound to the taxpayer to pay a dollar in infrastructure costs!

Hence the need for planned, smart growth…if you care about the taxpayer that is!

Anonymous said...

When it comes to running sewers out into the middle of no where, Rosenberger may have planned "septic system emergencies" around each and every parcel of land developers intend to buy, requiring mandatory connection to Rosenberger's sewers, thus lowering the over all costs for the developer's sewers!!!

Anonymous said...

AHTBA....

That's the driving force of this County. AND don't forget it!!!

Anonymous said...

That would not work, because to keep up the fiction, the DCHBA would have to cease and desist the building of any new homes on septic systems, because of their inherent toxicity to the environment!

Anonymous said...

AHTBA....

That's the driving force of this County. AND don't forget it!!!



Is AHTBA resistant to antibiotics?

Anonymous said...

AHTBA

Drive this person crazy and don't ask him or her what the letters stand for!

Anonymous said...

Before the Honda plant was announced,an advanced group of realtors were told to get options on all the land they could in the area of the proposed plant. When the plant was announced most of the property had been purchased. The maps zoning and infrastructure was put in place after the announcement. That's the way BIG BUSINESS plays the game.
The comprehensive plan and it's maps mean nothing for or against development, the political back door boys just want to make the public feel that it's important. It's a political ploy to make the public feel that only they know what's right for the county.
They are wrong.

Anonymous said...

"It's a political ploy to make the public feel that only they know what's right for the county.
They are wrong."

Which THEY knows what is right for the county? This sentence is confusing

Anonymous said...

8:05 pm.

I'm going to tell you anyway.

American Honky Tonk Bar Association

Committee Member said...

"In our dialog with many of the Advisory Board members who were a part of developing this map, it was understood by most that this map does not represent any consensus that was reached by the committee's recommendations and understandings."

It seems funny that the map doesn't represent any consensus, when a majority of the Committee voted to proceed with it.

More lies by the DCHBA, who didn't bother to show up!

Anonymous said...

It seems funny that the map doesn't represent any consensus, when a majority of the Committee voted to proceed with it.

The Majority of the Committee really did not want the plan...

…not enough folks were notified as to the planning process…

...the Republican Primary Voter really did not want Thompson...

…the DCEDI does not write Hughes’ editorials…

…the NW Quadrant was not about enriching a few, politically connected developers, at the expense of the residents of the NW Quadrant…

...Johnny Nugent really did not Support Linkmeyer!

At least one of the above cast of liars can blame his behavior on alcoholism!

But what about all the others???

Anonymous said...

Our local realtor/developer/banker/lawyer establishment has no respect, whatsoever, of the Democratic Process!

It is not "flexible" enough to incorporate their dictates or to place their candidates into office contrary to the electorate's vote!

The local Republican Party Leadership has been busy trying to introduce more "flexibility" into the process, witness their support of the Development Democrat last election and the pressure exerted on Jeff Hughes to derail the "inflexible" process of the Democratically chosen Compressive Plan!

From this day forward the majority shall be referred to as the "select few" to manifest the Developer Class' indignation to not having their natural superiority recognized!

Someone...quick...give these folks a shovel...to continue digging deeper the hole they find themselves in!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"More lies by the DCHBA, who didn't bother to show up!"


What!

Show up and give the "common" people the idea that they are on a level playing field with those of us in the Development Establishment?

This Plan needed to be worked out, in private, with those knew what is best for all of you!

Since the rest of you refused, we have taken it out of your hands and now, our commissioner castrato, who always sings our tune in his best soprano voice, has orders to let the Plan whither and die on the vine!

You have only yourselves to blame, you could have stepped aside long ago and bowed to Development's wishes!

Anonymous said...

"It's a political ploy to make the public feel that only they know what's right for the county.
They are wrong."

The THEY are the Chamber of commerce, the Dearborn County Economic Develpoment Initiative and all the realtor/developer/politicians that are blocking the map. The political process of the last 6 years in developing the map, in there eyes is no more than a power play. Their opposition to the map is no more than an "knee jerk" to that power loss.

Anonymous said...

Now Jeff Hughes wants to "Push-Poll" and "cherry pick" an entire new group of participants for the planning process!

The open, where the public was invited, if not implored, planning process that went on for years, now does not fit his needs...which are whatever the needs of his Development Masters!

If Jeff was not so freaking stupid one could suggest he was corrupt to the core!

Jeff's stupidity is his only virtue!

Anonymous said...

in there eyes = in THEIR eyes

Anonymous said...

in Their eyes...are only $$$...made possible by your taxdollars and your "forced" contributions for their sewers!!!

Anonymous said...

I hope Jeff has an offer, in writing and notarized, of a Developer sponsored job after he loses is re-election attempt next year!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jeff has not the intelligence to be sly in his whoring for his Development Pimps!

Anonymous said...

At a time when development needs to nurture more friends, they get all "pissy" and create more adversaries!

It is akin to having the neighborhood bully as the "Welcome Wagon Lady" to welcome newcomers to the community!

Funny!

Anonymous said...

""It's a political ploy to make the public feel that only they know what's right for the county.
They are wrong."

The THEY are the Chamber of commerce, the Dearborn County Economic Develpoment Initiative and all the realtor/developer/politicians that are blocking the map. The political process of the last 6 years in developing the map, in there eyes is no more than a power play. Their opposition to the map is no more than an "knee jerk" to that power loss.""

Another member to add to the THEY group is BANKERS.
At the Commissioners meeting a banker said [paraphrase] when new business looks at Dearborn Co. for expansion the maps are the first information they look at. LOL....That banker has no idea how big business operates!

Anonymous said...

Neighborhood Bully to the Newcomer:

"THERE IS A 'SELECT FEW' IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO DON'T FEEL THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO GIVE ME THEIR LUNCH MONEY...BUT DON'T LISTEN TO THEM, THEY ARE JUST CAUGHT UP IN EMOTIONAL RESPONSES AND CARE ONLY ABOUT THE THEIR OWN SELFISH NEEDS!"

Anonymous said...

Dearborn County needs more development interests who are investors, not speculators.

If these "investors" wish to purchase farm land to later divide up into dense subdivisions, they should get together with other investors, wishing to buy up farm land nearby, to do the same.

Eventually, when enough of these "investors" are involved, the economies of scale will afford them to pay for their sewer and other infrastructure needs, without the need of "forcing" non-investors, via crooked politicians and board members, to subsidize their profits.

Anonymous said...

"Dearborn County needs more development interests who are investors, not speculators.

If these "investors" wish to purchase farm land to later divide up into dense subdivisions, they should get together with other investors, wishing to buy up farm land nearby, to do the same.

Eventually, when enough of these "investors" are involved, the economies of scale will afford them to pay for their sewer and other infrastructure needs, without the need of "forcing" non-investors, via crooked politicians and board members, to subsidize their profits."

WELL SAID.

Anonymous said...

Dear Commissioners, please ignore all aspects of the Public Planning Process and follow the dictates of this one letter!

Thank you,

Mark Rosenberger

cc: Developers only

Anonymous said...

Eventually, when enough of these "investors" are involved, the economies of scale will afford them to pay for their sewer and other infrastructure needs

Or, like the rest of us, they can build their homes on septic systems that do not require the millions of dollars for sewers that they, obviously, cannot afford without the coerced contributions from their neighbors!

Or do the likes of Brett Fehrman and his spoiled and entitled play group of friends just have their little hearts set on making a fortune themselves utilizing our savings?

Anonymous said...

Let us not forget, Little Lisa Lehner of the same adolesent play group, offered the peachy-keen idea of shopping around for a low interest loan to help us pay for and finance her need for newer and better toys!

That Little Cutie...always looking out for the rest of us!

I think we all know what these "kids" want from Santa!

Their Christmas "Wish List" will soon be forwarded to all of us by Doug Baer!

Anonymous said...

After Jim West and Jeff Hughes fulfill their dream of covering the entire county with industry and houses, what happens to the DCEDI & the DCHBA? Do you annex Franklin County?

Anonymous said...

Our local realtor/developers have no concept of a long-term investment.

They insist that they have assurances up front, before they by rural land at rural land prices, that their comrades in local government will permit them to rezone such rural property to residential and/or commercial, to guarantee massive returns on their psuedo investments!

Anonymous said...

by = buy

Anonymous said...

Poor Jeff Hughes, even an "outsider" such as Jim West will still be in a position of influence in this County, long after Jeff is greeting patrons by the shopping carts at Wal Mart!

Anonymous said...

Develoment's heavy-handed tactics are just going to ensure all their bought and paid for politicians will be booted from office...

...leaving Development with only TPing the homes of smart growth proponents along with some mail box baseball-batting as their "political speech!

Good job boys!

Keep bullying yourselves into political oblivion!

Anonymous said...

Mark Rosenberger: "...the I-74/SR 46 corridor as a tremendous untapped resource is a real shame."

Well then, how about next time, Mark, your team truly tries to "tap it" instead of trying to "pick-pocket it?"

Anonymous said...

Sewage processing and disposal are the major prerequisites for all development. Sewage processing and disposal is the largest cost for small business. Large business's pay for this service to be developed.

Sewage processing and disposal are the major " smart controlled growth" tools for Dearborn County to consider. The Development MAP debate is at the very most, tertiary and overblown.

Anonymous said...

Large business's pay for this service to be developed.


Whereas, and in contrast, our small-time county development hoodlums, are relentlessly concocting ways to force the “little guy” to foot the bills for their sewers!

Anonymous said...

"The Development MAP debate is at the very most, tertiary and overblown."

Our Development Class requires 100% control of the process!

Remember how the Development Owned Republican Leadership freaked when their hand-picked, Development candidate lost to the rank and file's choice!

They still had control of the process, but not the 100% they demand!

So, what did they do?

They drafted and propped up a Development back Democrat to run against their own Republican Primary Voters' choice of candidate!

These pigs will never be satisified until they control all their slop!

Anonymous said...

"Large business's pay for this service to be developed.


Whereas, and in contrast, our small-time county development hoodlums, are relentlessly concocting ways to force the “little guy” to foot the bills for their sewers!"

Correct...

Sewage processing and disposal should receive primary consideration from the Dearborn Co Commissioners as a tool to develope the county in a mannor that, in their opinion, is paramount for the taxpaying Dearborn County citizens..... not the political connected machine.

Anonymous said...

So, let us form the DCRSD and have them force the taxpayer to subsidize Board Member Brett's sudivision's sewers for a subdivision far from existing infrastructure!

Our lame-ass politicians cannot act without the prodding of our local "politically connected machine.

Our local realtor/developer/banker/lawyers pride themselves on not being lowly farmers.

So, it is beneath them to try to "cultivate" consensus.

They only feel comfortable with "demanding" compliance!

Anonymous said...

"So, let us form the DCRSD and have them force the taxpayer to subsidize Board Member Brett's sudivision's sewers for a subdivision far from existing infrastructure!"

NO!

Dissolve the dcrsd.Then the commissioner should set up a new entity or deal directly with the existing sewer entities for infrastructure creation. The idea of dcrsd controlling the existing sewer entities is a counter productive situation. The Commissioners themselves need to address the existing sewer entities an work for harmony not antagonism. The dcrsd is a misnomer and bad for the situation in toto.

Change in the sewage area will have far reaching effects in the county's ability to correct existing sewage problems and aid in the proper course of county development.

Anonymous said...

will have far reaching effects in the county's ability to correct existing sewage problems

What sewage problems?

Judging by the DCRSD's actions to date, they see no sewage problems, only opportunities to expand development, unrestrained by the necessities of providing adequate sewage disposal and catering to the personal business interests of its board members!

Is High Ridge fixed?

Guilford?

When the DCRSD was conspiring to take over the VRUC, did they have the resources to fix HVL's crumbling sewer infrastructure dumping raw sewage into Double Lick Creek?

Their intention, like their alter-egos, Bittner and Sammy, was just to increase the total capacity of the VRUC to accept new developments onto the system, without any effort going towards fixing the millions and millions of gallons of raw sewage pouring into our waterways!

Existing sewage problems?

Such does not exist for the realtor/developer controlled sewer district!

Anonymous said...

"Existing sewage problems?
Such does not exist for the realtor/developer controlled sewer district!"

For that very reason, ignoring for years the existing sewage overflows, the realtor/developer controlled sewer district [dcrsd] needs to be dissolved! County sewage pollution initially was the reason the Commissioners created the "paper tiger". It's BROKEN! The Commissioners need to fix it! The Commissioners should start anew including the existing sewage entities in their planning.

Anonymous said...

Broken???

How could it be broken???

It worked well enoungh to save Dennerline a bundle on his trailer park sewer fix, giving him more disposable income to, for example, finally fix his pond!!!

Anonymous said...

"Their Christmas "Wish List" will soon be forwarded to all of us by Doug Baer!"

Where doe Doug Baer find all the time?

He has been so busy keeping the public informed as to the sewage flowing into Double Lick Creek and Hogan's Creek by two "existing" and "separate" sewer systems!

Anonymous said...

Doug Baer

It is hard to reflect upon Doug Baer's performance to date relative to this whole sewer mess and not being reminded of the usefulness of teats on a boar hog!

Anonymous said...

I, for one, feel somewhat sorry for Doug. Can you imagine the abuse he must be receiving from those whose number one concern is to keep sewage out of our waterways!

Fehrman, Maxwell and Andres, alone, must be making his life a living hell for not doing enough to stem the flow of raw sewage into our children's environment!

I'll bet they told him, in no uncertain terms, that no more time nor resources should be committed to new sewer systems until he gets a handle on all the problems present sewers are causing this County's health!

And here Fehrman, et al, were deceived by the likes of Baer, that our septic systems were the main culprits poisoning our community!

They must be perturbed!

Anonymous said...

I'm sure, Andres, for one, is requesting there be a complete moratorium on development until our "sewer crisis" is brought under control!

Anonymous said...

Poor Doug...developer abused sewers are poisoning our beloved County...and developer abused sewers are poisoning his beloved job!

Anonymous said...

JIM WEST SAYS WE NEED A CITIGROUP FOR DEARBORN COUNTY....imagine if we had them here. We would have a huge building in the NW quadrant empty. Just like the empty buildings on hwy 50.


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updated 12:29 p.m. ET, Mon., Nov. 26, 2007
NEW YORK - Citigroup Inc., bracing for big credit-related losses in the fourth quarter, is looking to cut costs with another round of job cuts, according to CNBC.

CNBC reported Monday that "massive" layoffs were planned. Though exact numbers had not yet been set, the total job cut could be as many as 45,000, CNBC reported. Citigroup currently has about 320,000 employees.

"We are engaged in a planning process in anticipation of our new CEO, and our business heads are planning ways in which we can be more efficient and cost-effective to position our businesses in line with economic realities," said Citi spokeswoman Shannon Bell told the Associated Press.

Anonymous said...

Citigroup big shots became multi-millionaires investing in the risky sub prime mortgage market before its collapse!

Citigroup big shots walked away rich...leaving many of their clients, destitute!

It is easy to risk "other" people's money!

One can see why Jim West had an affinity for Citigroup!

Anonymous said...

Jim West's vision is much smaller in breath and scope than that of Citigroup.

But the cornerstone of his business plan for his clients is the same...to risk as much of OUR (taxpayer) money as possible...in search of riches...for HIS clients!

"Other" people's money...universally attractive to countless cowardly thieves the worldwide!

Anonymous said...

West isn't happy enough spending our money for his DCEDI members' projects! West wants to spend our money to find projects for his DCEDI members to further spend our money on!

Anonymous said...

Would someone please inform Jim West, Mike Rozow, and Brian Messmore, because of his possition as a "public servant, should know better, that the taxpayer is not the insurer for large or small businesses in this County!

Neither is the taxpayer, designated as the non-voting and non-profit sharing "silent partner" of local business interests!

Simply because a few tard politicians thinks we are, does not make it so!

Anonymous said...

Whoever those folks are remaining in this County, who believe that insurer and guarantor of local business, trade or profession is the function of the taxpayer, better get out their compass and a map and re-check their position.

If you should finally determine the correct coordinates, that “popping” sound you may here on your way back to the correct course, is the sound of your head “popping” out of your ass!

Anonymous said...

Brian Messmore, a public servant?

He feels so much more comfortable with those who view the public as servants!

Anonymous said...

Brian Messmore, likes to, outwardly, project that we are all somehow his lesser.

He needs to project such.

Reality can be so chafing to fragile people.

Anonymous said...

Is it Brian or Bryan...I never got the impression, relative to his talents, he would last very long, to take any time to study how his parents chose to spell his name.

Anonymous said...

No matter how you spell his name, make certain you use the proper "yuppy" and "self-absorbed" font and/or typescript!

Messmore is sort of anal in that regard!

Anonymous said...

Messmore is sort of anal in that regard!

Messmore is anal in every regard!!!

Anonymous said...

Are Ewbank and Morris readying themselves for their Democratic counter attack when the "SELECT FEW" vote out their two Simpleton Development Pawns?

Anonymous said...

I like Bryan Messmore.

He's juggling knives balancing on top of a basketball.

Give him a break!

Anonymous said...

"He's juggling knives balancing on top of a basketball."


-At the Athletic Club with a bluetooth on his ear too!

Anonymous said...

Messmore strikes me as being far more comfortable with the Vieste, DCEDI types of the community as those who are more "common," but pay most of the bills of this County!

Where was he during the entire NW Quad debacle?

Was he working towards getting the landowners the better deal, or was he cheerleading and running interference for the same old, same old development interests of this County?

Anonymous said...

And "Blue Tooth?"

Please!

"HEY SHOOTER! WE JUST LANDED! CAN YOU HEAR ME BECAUSE I CAN'T HEAR YOU?"

Anonymous said...

"He's juggling knives balancing on top of a basketball."

That premise would suggest that he is trying to please both (all) sides.

I would suggest that such "premise" is flawed!

Anonymous said...

Bluetooth was designed for lower management employees to pretend they are in constant communication with higher management, leaders!

Great marketing!!!

Anonymous said...

A bluetooth is just plain silly looking if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

Every part of this county should do there part in generating growth and if anybody doesn't think that the I-74/SR 46 area is not on of the most flat and feasible areas in the entire county for comercial and residential areas then you should go grab your topography MAP!!!

Anonymous said...

Every part of this county should do there part in generating growth and if anybody doesn't think that the I-74/SR 46 area is not on of the most flat and feasible areas in the entire county for comercial and residential areas then you should go grab your topography MAP!!!

Then, work with and negotiate with the landowners in the I-74/SR 46 area!

Forsake the politically connected realtor/developers and DCEDI members who do not own the land in these areas!

You want growth?

Whatever growth may represent to you!

Cut out these greedy, priviledged middle-men!

Deal directly with the owners of the resources you so covet!

You may be surprised as to these owners' response!

Unless and of course, you view these landowners as just another "resource" to be exploited...as the DCEDI and Vieste did!

Anonymous said...

Every part of this county should do there part in generating growth

Take a pay cut and donate it to the County's coffers!

Or is it everybody's part, but yours, to kick in for the benefit of the County(meaning the benefit of the chosen few)?

Anonymous said...

Donate a kidney...you only need one!

Anonymous said...

A bluetooth is just plain silly looking if you ask me.

I always feel somewhat sorry for the nerds who feel the need to wear them!

If only, someone would have gone to the prom with them!

Anonymous said...

Messmore was cheer leading FOR Vieste. He and Hughes still think Dearborn County would be better off with Vieste in charge.

Anonymous said...

Messmore was cheer leading FOR Vieste. He and Hughes still think Dearborn County would be better off with Vieste in charge.

Well of course!

Vieste was doing their best to raise capital for development by secretly planning to buy up farm land in the NW Quad at cheap prices in order for the politically connected to make windfall profits reselling such land!

Everyone would have been a winner in such a scheme...except the landowners and residents of the NW Quad!