3 July 2007 Dearborn County Commissioner Meeting Notes
Present: Hughes, Chairman, Fox, and Thompson
Also present: Pickens, Auditor
A uniformed officer was present.
ABSENT: Messmore, Administrator and Ewbank, Attorney
1. Fox motioned and Thompson 2nd to TABLE again- Jim West and DCEDI’s request to go to Council for $80,000. West was not present.
2. Transportation – Todd Listerman gave a 30-minute report.
1. Introduced the new assistant highway supervisor who works directly under Listerman- Tim Grieve is a lifetime resident of Dearborn and came from a previous position as the Assistant Superintendent of Roads for West Chester Township in Cincinnati. He has an associate’s degree in horticulture management and is a graduate of SDHS in Aurora. Tim started work June 23. Commissioners welcomed Grieve.
2. Hughes was OK’d to sign the contract agreements for county paving with O’Mara to be completed in 50 days. Listerman hopes to have it completed before school starts in August.
3. Supplemental agreement for $7900 for Bells Branch Bridge was approved. There were issues of archaeological areas to be staked, the approaches to the bridge needed variances,etc.
4. A change order of $8100.09 for the HVL entrance radius improvement to accommodate wide trailers was approved for safety reasons. The gravel shoulder will be paved.
5. Listerman was OK’d to send a letter to INDOT (Bob Williams) to see if they can get the trucks on US 50 to have to use the R lane to increase traffic flow. Listerman is asking their engineers to see if it will help congestion.
6. Cook Road has cul –de- sac turn around installed at owner’s expense at the end. ROW is already dedicated. Fox noted the old road that extends beyond that looks like an Indian trail. Hughes said he didn’t know of any roads around here that don’t look like that.
7. Hoffman Road also has cul-de-sac in place and it matches the road inventory for maintenance.
8. Commissioners OK’d Listerman to continue to check on using the Rack properties on Randall Avenue for consolidating Highway districts. It has sewer and is Industrial zoned. This would help with EPA compliance issues. Listerman has put this possibility into his budget request. Payment can be worked out over time with Rack possibly. He will follow procedures with Messmore on this.
9. Fox wants to explore moving Collier Ridge over the hill on the adjoining property rather than an expensive fix that won’t be permanent. Apparently, Fox thinks the adjoining owner would be amenable to this idea.
3. Pickens had commissioners sign his computer Disaster recovery plan. They also signed claims and minutes.
4. Fox told commissioners that Animal Control is re-evaluating their whole budget process. Pickens asked him to get them to issue one check to him rather than the bad checks that some have sent in. (Unclear – perhaps these are donations?)
5. Thompson just wished everyone a happy holiday for tomorrow.
6. Hughes had another Lifetime Resources letter to be signed on a home.
Meeting adjourned at 7:10 PM
Christine Brauer Mueller
Lawrenceburg Township
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1 – 200 of 250 Newer› Newest»1. Fox motioned and Thompson 2nd to TABLE again- Jim West and DCEDI’s request to go to Council for $80,000. West was not present.
What is there to table?
What is possibly left for discussion?
Where was West? Is he off sulking somewhere, because the County is treating him like the rest of us "commoners?"
Give the Money to Listerman and Greive. At least they will get something done with the money that will benefit ALL OF US!!!
The DCEDI has proven to be nothing more than a privileged group of County thugs.
"JUST SAY NO, TO THUGS!"
The only way this County is going to see any return on all the money invested in the DCEDI, would be to issue Jim West an orange vest, send him out with Tim Greive, and have Tim give West his quota for pot-holes to be filled for the day.
After a few years of this, West and the DCEDI will have begun, to payback the Tax-payers of this County!
ABSENT: Messmore, Administrator and Ewbank, Attorney
And the air, of condescension, was notably absent, at this Commissioners’ Meeting.
I bet Jim West really misses his number one Toadie and Flatterer, Vera Benning.
She was always, right there for him, to stick-it to the Citizen/Taxpayers of this County.
She was HIS main stooge for ending Public Comment and the Week's Agenda requirement.
The Need for ending Public Comment and implementation of The Weeks' Notice to get on the Agenda?:
Where there is a need for the oversight of the majority to be cancelled out, by Development Toadies, to make way for the fortunate few to profit.
I just read that Decatur County landed a 11 Million dollar dairy farm to be constructed just South of Greensburg. That county has yet another business success.
They welcome business.
Here in Dearborn County, Goofballs are always tryng to stop anything from happen here.
If DCEDI would bring a dairy farm of this nature you goofballs would be against it.
Think about it, a Dairy Farm does not want to locate here.
Think about it...
This Dairy Farm, was not trying to enforce sewer hook-ups to subsidize its bottom lines.
Further, Mr. Strawman, did this Dairy Farm entertain thoughts of operating here?
If so, details, please?
Now, back to reality.
The Hulsboschs, from Belgium, look like they are just here to do business, much of it from the sweat of their own brows.
These "Dairy Farmers," at least what can be deduced from the the news records, have not demanded that their neighbors outlay tens of thousands of dollars, in order for the Hulsboschs to prosper.
A lesson for our pampered, entitled realtor/developer culture, existing in Dearborn County!
It, always, takes an honest farmer to "school" the "spoiled, priviledged kids!!!!
If DCEDI would bring a dairy farm of this nature you goofballs would be against it.
If the DCEDI were involved in this business arrangement, they would have closed out the “public” from such arrangement, they would have made sure that the owners of the land required for such a business arrangement, were kept in the dark, until, dip-shits, such as Brett Fehrman, could offer 10 cents on the dollar for their land.
And, of course, if the DCEDI were involved...judging from their track record and, obviously, their incipit incompetence, this business arrangement would, of course, have ultimately failed.
So, lets give the DCEDI more money, they have not, and will not, ever earn?
Why does Fox motion to table West's funding request? How important is this when he doesn't show up and he knows the funding was tabled at the previous meeting? Why does Fox and Thompson even consider this for another meeting? I would have let this motion die without a vote and let the project dissolve...the presenter was not there? West just needs to stay home for the next meeting too!
I'll take being called a goofball, but I would never like to be called a slimeball like our local politicians have been called in many conversations. Goofy is better than slimy in my book.
”That county has yet another business success.
They welcome business.”
I pray, that you see, or at least, sense, the irony here?
If this, legit, dairy farm, is Decatur County’s only “business success,” then, possibly, Decatur County, like Dearborn County, has avoided, as many DCEDI type “disasters,” as we have????
So, Decatur County, like us, does “welcome business,” but not the parasitic business arrangements, the DCEDI proffers?
Looks like, Decatur County, will not be Jim West’s or Mike Rozow’s, next stop, for their corporate welfare, “FLIM-FLAMING!!!”
"...the presenter was not there?"
We all know what burrow the weasel Fox resides, but, Thompson, needs to step up, and explain his decision.
Granted, to be fair, West was not present.
However, if the common citizen was not "present," would he or she have been regarded the same priviledge?
Quit complaining.
Is life that bad.
Once again, the boogy man is coming to get you.
"West just needs to stay home for the next meeting too!"
Don't confuse Jim into thinking that his past habit of, "SERIAL PHONE CALLS, FROM HOME, TO SERIAL, IN-THE-POCKET POLITICIANS," are still, BARELY, legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
"Once again, the boogy man is coming to get you."
And, once again, you cannot respond to the question, with out running to your "boogy man" retort.
How cheap, an vacuous!
So, tell me, is it the tax-payers who are supporting you, or your ever-patient mommy and/or daddy?
And further, who is complaining?
It would seem, that it is the realtor/developers who seem to do the most complaining, when others will not pick up their tabs!
No complaining here missy. Taxpayers just want honest, ethical decisions made on their behalf and also wise use of taxpayer money. Do you have a complaint with $300,000 spent for nothing? Maybe part of that lined the pockets of those in office?! We may never know. It's more likely than not with the attitude of those wanting to proceed with growth growth growth. Growth of the wallet is all they want. (period)
“Quit complaining.”
“QUIT STEALING!”
"No complaining here missy."
So! You believe this poster not to be Vera Benning, but, one of her alter-egos, more feminine types, such as, Brett Fehrman, Frank Linkmeyer, Bob Ewbanks or Jim West?
I liked Bob Eubanks more as a host of the "Dating Game," than his self-serving turn at being a "County Attorney."
At least, on the "Dating Game," after the show, when someone may have been getting screwed, at least, it was not the taxpayers!!!!!
Run for office and express yourself.
Come out of your hole.
Quit complaining.
Jennifer?
"Run for office and express yourself.
Come out of your hole.
Quit complaining.
The very same could be said of those who work, beyond public scrutiny, in back offices and behind closed doors...
...members of the DCEDI!
At least, anyone posting here, does not cost the taxpayers one single dime!
How many tax-dollars have been poured into the DCEDI?
By the way, your side keeps being shot down because the citizens of Dearborn County do not want mile after mile of subdivisions, industrial parks and strip malls.
QUIT COMPLAINING
The People did not want Vera…
…so you gave them Linkmeyer.
QUIT COMPLAINING!
The People did not want to be kept in the dark considering your desires to develop “THEIR” communities…
…so you gave them the NW Quadrant.
QUIT COMPLAINING!
The People did not want to subsidize realtor/developers…
…so you gave them enforced sewer hook-ups.
QUIT COMPLAINING!
The People wanted to express themselves at “PUBLIC” meetings…
…so you gave them no public comment.
QUIT COMPLAINING!
The People wanted public matters, about public money and public policy, to take place in the open…
…so you gave them Serial Meetings.
QUIT COMPLAINING!
I could go on and on…
…so please, don’t lecture us!!!
And
QUIT YOUR WHINING!!!
"Run for office and express yourself."
I believe Ralph Thompson took on that challenge.
And he beat two political machines and their miserable little powerbrokers.
Jim West wants $80,000.000 of our money, but does not even show up to defend his case.
He just wants it handed to him, no questions asked, Vera style.
QUIT COMPLAINING!!!
Read $80,000.00
"Run for office and express yourself."
How funny, we beat you in your own primaries, and you immediately run a stealth candidate in the general election.
You all are certainly a duplicitous, two-faced, dishonest and insignificant bunch of little sneaks!
"At least, anyone posting here, does not cost the taxpayers one single dime!
And all can post here!
Raise your hands if you can attend, or even have a say about attending, a DCEDI function?
Even though, it is somehow incumbent upon all of us, to support the DCEDI with our hard-earn, hard-fought for dollars!
I swear, these folks are beyond delusional!
Delusional ?
Devious is a better description of their circuitous and scheming antics!
How do these people look their children in the eye?
Shameful!
”Jim West wants $80,000.000 of our money, but does not even show up to defend his case.”
I’m confident that, Jim West has cloistered himself in some superbly outfitted sanctum of a den, dictating Commissioner Hughes' next editorial, on the virtues of the DCEDI and why they are deserving of an additional $80,000.00 of “OUR” money!
If preceding history is a foreteller of contemporary and future events!
"you immediately run a stealth candidate "
Always, always, always...
...gaming the system to ensure their individual profits!
”Further, Mr. Strawman, did this Dairy Farm entertain thoughts of operating here?
If so, details, please?”
Please take note, that Mr. or Mrs. Strawman refuses to respond to this question concerning his or her bogus argument!
If only, the DCEDI’s invoices, to the tax-payer, were as cheap as their talk!
”That county has yet another business success.
They welcome business.”
Wake up, Members of the DCEDI!
Even the residents of Decatur County would rather be knee-deep in cow pies, than have one of your like-brand subdivisions or industrial parks, financed by mandatory sewer hook-ups or by the theft of their tax-dollars.
Picture this Decatur County Dairy Farm, situated next to Vera's home.
Vera, Mrs. "We Welcome Business," would be over there every day complaining of "Farm" noises and aromas!
Reminding the proprietors, how important, she thinks she is!
Vera Benning and farmers, how funny is that.
Is their a farmer out there, within a twenty mile radius of Vera, who has not been accosted by her, for simply farming?
A more spiteful-spirit of a woman having never existed!
But she is a DCEDI darling!
Judge the DCEDI by its “darlings!”
"But she is a DCEDI darling!"
Now, Vera, is a DCRSD darling!
Now, we must judge the DCRSD, by its "darlings!"
”Is their a farmer out there, within a twenty mile radius of Vera, who has not been accosted by her, for simply farming?”
Vera, ostensibly, perceives each and every farmer, as a stumbling block, to the proper, suitable and appropriate, realtor/developer, use of their land!
You are afraid.
In the end the visionary people will find reward for all and the ding dongs who think that everything is a conspiracy will still live on.
Life isn't that bad people.
”Life isn't that bad people.”
Your silly bromides aside, are you for spending your own money or do you require taxpayer subsidizing?
Are you for open government, or the Serial Meeting, DCEDI style of government?
Are you for enforced sewer hook-ups to up the profits of our local realtor/developers?
Should the taxpayer pay the salary of Jim West?
Are you for all the personal conflicts of interests on the DCRSD?
Again, your silly bromides aside, how about finally, answering just one question posed to you?
Without your tired Boogy Man comments!
And, it is you, who is afraid…afraid of open government and having to pay your own way!
"In the end the visionary people will find reward..."
Problem being.
The taxpayer should not be used as your reward bank!
"In the end the visionary people will find reward..."
Remember to waive to all those people, you placed heavily in debt, via enforced sewer hook-ups, as you drive toward your reward!
Parasite!!!
True "Visionary People don't need to rely on corrupt government stooges to advance their "VISIONS!"
Goof balls....now ding dongs.... I'd rather be goofy than a slime ball or a ding dong than a twinkie.
Life isn't that bad...but most of our politicians are unethical and uneducated. Visionary ideas?! Yeah, visionary at lining their own pockets and not for the good of our taxpayers. Just spend money how you would spend your own money. Would you give $300,000 for a study that gives you nothing?
$300,000 and that's just where the bleeding stopped!
These crooks, just need to delude themselves as being "visionaries."
This fantasy acts as a balm for their guilty and shamefaced consciences!
"Goof balls....now ding dongs.... I'd rather be goofy than a slime ball or a ding dong than a twinkie."
Just open your wallet to these "slimeball" goons!
Then they will become your best friends and flatterers!
Wow!
Now they are “Visionaries!”
Here I thought they were just spoiled, pampered, thieving, realtors and developers!
Wow!
Can I buy into this “Vision?”
Who should I send my check to?
Q: Why do you always see a lawyer standing next to a realtor/developer?
A: Side by side, next to a realtor/developer, even a lawyer looks good, by comparison!
The bleeding hasn't stopped. I hear they want us to write them a letter of recommendation so they can go to other counties and bleed them too....
Picture a pasture of green grass.
Now kick in the “Vision” thing.
Do you see the half-occupied strip mall?
Do you see an industrial park, with revolving tenants, who take advantage of each state and county’s tax abatements?
Do you see an over-crowed subdivision, further acerbating all the inherent problems of our local schools, police, fire and EMTs?
You are now a ”VISIONARY!!!!!”
”The bleeding hasn't stopped. I hear they want us to write them a letter of recommendation so they can go to other counties and bleed them too....”
”Never have I diverted more tax dollars for a nicer bunch of people. Although, they never return my phone calls any more!” Vera Benning
Is there anything positive about this county. From all of the comments noted, it seems to be just a terrible place.
"Is there anything positive about this county. From all of the comments noted, it seems to be just a terrible place.
Please!
This County's negatives, are made up of, almost entirely, the developer class.
Now, just answer the above, same questions, that have been repeatedly asked of you!
You know the drill:
Your view of Serial meetings, enforced hook-ups, taxpayer subsidizing of realtor/developers, etc, etc, ad nauseam!
But, of course, you are unable, to answer such with a straight face and a clear conscience!
This next election is going to be unbearable for you and yours!!!!
Imagine, if both the Democrats and the Republicans run a smart growth candidate in the primaries, and they win?
What party, will the Dearborn County Republicrats, run their “stealth” candidate, in the general election?
Something, in the fashion, of a “National Socialist?”
Transparent, self-serving, self-centered and egocentrically just for themselves, the whole lot of the Realtor/ Development class, and their political stooges!
We need to just close the curtain on this miserable time in Dearborn County politics!
"Is there anything positive about this county."
Yes, there is.
That is why we are fighting the likes of you, to keep it, positive!
Why even respond to this oddball.
He or she will just respond once again about Boogy Men and Conspiracy Theories.
This mock-up of a human being, can do no more!
People, living, remaining and enjoying their lives, on THEIR properties, is not financially conducive for the realtor/developer class.
Such bliss will just not support their lifestyles!
"Who should I send my check to? "
You already have contributed in the form of your tax-dollars!
Jim West is once again, back, tapping our tax well for another $80,000.00!
Makes you feel all "warm and fuzzy" inside, supporting the likes of Jim West and his noxious members' business interests!
Doesn't it?
”Life isn't that bad people.”
Everything is fine!
Everything is wonderful!
As he or she, lightly slips your wallet from you back pocket!
"Is there anything positive about this county. From all of the comments noted, it seems to be just a terrible place."
It would seem, that all the comments noted, are concerning the dearth of ethics in our local realtor/developer community...nothing more!
Your need to extrapolate…is quite remarkable!
A little primer, for our local realtors, developers, bankers and land title attorneys:
”TAX-DOLLARS, THAT YOU SO EASILY FRITTER AWAY AND EXHAUST, ARE A PRODUCT, SOLELY, OF THE TAX-PAYER.”
And the tax-payer is getting pissed!
Tim "Joe" Greive, is a good man!
The DCEDI should be afraid, very afraid, of a honest and good man, such as Tim "Joe" Greive!!!
Tim "Joe" Greive, is regular people, like the rest of us, who love this County!!!
At last, a few feeble supporters of the DCEDI!
I guess, it is true, what my granddad used to say:
"A LYING DOG ONLY YELPS WHEN IT IS KICKED!"
And the "lying" DCEDI is feeling a little sore from the citizen/tax-payer's boot!
"5. Thompson just wished everyone a happy holiday for tomorrow."
A wish, by a public official, that did not cost the tax-payers a dime!
Refreshing!!!
”Refreshing!!!”
Picture Thompson’s predecessor, if someone in the audience would have expressed the same sentiment…
…without being on the predecessor’s agenda…
…a uniformed police officer would have been called…
…and the offending party threatened with jail!!!
THOSE ARE THE DAYS WE WILL REMEMBER!!!
"Is there anything positive about this county. From all of the comments noted, it seems to be just a terrible place."
Wrong, wrong again. The idea is to keep it from becoming a terrible place.
What is so difficult about understanding that simple concept?
Has Jim West requested tax dollars to support his search for “Man-Bear-Pig?
Maybe, he could team up with Al Gore!
”What is so difficult about understanding that simple concept?”
It is a realtor/developer abnormality!
They just can’t fathom the fact, that others do not want to sponsor and finance their lifestyles!
Some of these realtor/developers, obviously, were breast-fed, clear into Junior High!
"Maybe, he could team up with Al Gore!"
Are you serial?
So, Jim West, like Al Gore, has no friends?
”So, Jim West, like Al Gore, has no friends?”
Well, at least, not enough friends, willing to pay his salary.
Why do you think he is slumming for dollars before the Dearborn County Commissioners?
When Jim West, self-publishes his autobiography, in his later years…
…I don’t think he is going to cut the “little darlings” of the DCEDI, much slack.
Kind of a, “DCEDI (Mommy) Dearest,” of tomes.
And we will see that, little Jimmy, used “wire hangars!”
”Are you serial?”
I am “Super-Serial!!!”
“EXCELSIOR!!!!”
So, has Rick Fox and Jeff Hughes turned in their favored names of Democrats, to run in their stead, when they lose their respective primaries?
Ewbank, is waiting!
“wire hangars!”
Please read "wire hangers."
Sorry! Too much coffee!
But, may your hearts be at ease, not one tax-dollar was used in the purchase of my Aldi-brand coffee!
"But, may your hearts be at ease, not one tax-dollar was used in the purchase of my Aldi-brand coffee!"
If, only, the Vieste boys, could claim the same!
"Is there anything positive about this county. From all of the comments noted, it seems to be just a terrible place."
So, if we complain, that rats are eating our corn, you folks, would have others believe, that we are not happy with our corn crop?
Interesting!
"So, if we complain, that rats are eating our corn, you folks, would have others believe, that we are not happy with our corn crop?"
BINGO!!!BINGO!!!BINGO!!!
HAMMER, HITS NAIL, SQUARELY, ON ITS HEAD!!!
”Further, Mr. Strawman, did this Dairy Farm entertain thoughts of operating here?
If so, details, please?”
Please take note, that Mr. or Mrs. Strawman refuses to respond to this question concerning his or her bogus argument!
And still no response!
How quaint!
And these, shy "LITTLE GIRLS", want to run OUR County???
”And still no response!”
If you need large quantities of verbal manure, the DCEDI and the DCRSD, are considered:
”SHOVEL READY SITES!!!”
Yep! The DCEDI and DCRSD, have spent so much time stroking each other in their “Echo Chambers,” they have hoodwinked themselves into thinking we buy into all their “EVERYTHING WE DO, WE DO FOR THE GOOD OF COUNTY,” jabber! Even members of these two realtor/developer motivated organizations, cannot look each other in the eye when they spew out such twaddle and drivel!
Yeah, Brett (my tax-negative producing subdivision, will somehow lower your taxes) Fehrman, sings the praises of the “savings” his “development” will garner for the citizen/taxpayer, but only after, all the neighbors of “HIS” development, are forced, by operation of law, by his development stooges in government, to hook-up to “HIS” subdivisions’ sewers, sometimes, at bankrupting expense!
What a peach of a guy, this Brett Fehrman is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let us hope, that Brett Fehrman's acorns, are good rollers. And they are able to get as far away as possible, from his scrounging and freeloading, tap root!
It would be disastrous, to think, he has spawned another self-serving generation, in his image!
Don't you just wonder what consultant Jim West has dreamed up to pay to get their economic development train back on their track?
Don't you wonder why they won't have to publicly bid or publicly critique this consultant and yet we taxpayers have to pay for it if ge can get COUNCIL's blessing?
CC
Thank God Mitter is gone.
Now we can really start our agenda.
I enjoy upsetting you people.
"I enjoy upsetting you people."
And, we genuinely, thoroughly and sincerely, enjoy voting you out of office?
Pretty soon, you will be begging, in front of commissions and councils, made up of folks, who will make Thompson look like a "born again" realtor/developer!
Your arrogance, now, and in the past, will just be "icing on the cake!"
Pumpkin, your time of influence, is reaching its nadir!
Remember, when Mitter made Vera look like a total idiot and a tool, during one of the Dearborn County Comp. Plan meetings?
Well, in point of fact, he just stepped back, and let Vera make the case of her own childishness, idiocy and inanity!
Mitter, years from now, will still be missed!
And Vera will still not be electable!
Mitter was a decent and honest man!
That is why, Lisa Lehner, could not stand him!
Where as, she got a lot of mileage, from her "tool," Vera!
Now, that "tool," is rusting away, in some "patronage" supplied "tool" shed!
"Now we can really start our agenda."
Don't you mean your:
"CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE???"
"Now we can really start our agenda."
It bears repeating:
”JUST SAY NO, TO THUGS!!!!”
"Where as, she got a lot of mileage, from her "tool," Vera!"
Lisa rode that "old nag" hard and put her away wet!!!
Do you think Lisa, even acknowledges Vera, when Vera chases her down the aisles of Wal-mart, baying and screeching:
”REMEMBER ME? REMEMBER ME?”
”Don't you wonder why they won't have to publicly bid or publicly critique this consultant and yet we taxpayers have to pay for it if ge can get COUNCIL's blessing?”
Fox is already running scared, with the ever-looming election getting closer. He is a politican, first and foremost. Whose only goal is to remain in power. West, will not get his vote.
Thompson, well, let us just say, Jim West, will have to have a very unique and novel reason, for hitting up the tax-payer, once again, for another hand-out.
Sadly, Hughes has gone off the deep-end, wearing armor, riding an ass and fighting “anti-everything” windmills. He will be West’s only vote.
And still, not one DCEDI member, will lift a finger to help Hughes, once he is thrown from office!
Hughes, undeniably and unquestionably, hooked up his horse to the wrong cart!
In a few months, this cart will be rolling through the neighborhoods of all the realtors, developers, bankers and lawyers associated with the DCEDI…
…with Hughes at the reigns, lamenting a mournful dirge and requiem:
”BRING OUT YOUR DEAD! BRING OUT YOUR DEAD! OUR DAYS ARE OVER! BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!”
So, when is West going to personally, come before the Commissioners and make his case, as to why he deserves another $80,000.00 of our money?
Or is he just going to remain, perpetually, on the agenda, until that time, he feels the public is no longer paying attention?
”So, when is West going to personally, come before the Commissioners and make his case, as to why he deserves another $80,000.00 of our money?”
He did already. Remember?
He said there has been discussion from the ”community” wanting a comprehensive strategic economic development plan…
…Now do you recollect the case he made?
Evidently, all us folks in the ”community” have voiced, expressed and clearly articulated our desire for a “comprehensive strategic economic development plan…,” With Jim West at the helm, working them rudders, navigating that river of affluence, which is our County, for, all of us, in the ”community”!
So, I guess, we, the ”community,” have spoken!
"So, I guess, we, the ”community,” have spoken!"
Well then, just have (Easy)Pickens distribute the $80,000.00 check he cut, the day Hughes received "his" hand-delivered, “editorial,” from Jim West and company!
We should not refuse the demands and desires of the ”COMMUNITY!”
"So, when is West going to personally, come before the Commissioners and make his case, as to why he deserves another $80,000.00 of our money?
Or is he just going to remain, perpetually, on the agenda, until that time, he feels the public is no longer paying attention?"
Notice, Jim West can show up for his "surprise" agenda additions, but cannot show up for, planned, with notice to all, agenda additions!
Speaks volumes for his, and that of his political operatives' character!
"He said there has been discussion from the ”community” wanting a comprehensive strategic economic development plan…"
Jim West, would garner more respect, if he just would be honest, and say:
"This is, what the people, who are paying me, want."
Instead, of weasel-like words, as the "COMMUNITY" wants this!!!!
Jim West, reminds me of the "Kenny Tarmac" character on "Bob and Tom!"
Just that, West, has not landed yet!
Yeah, I can just hear Jim(Kenny Tarmac)West speaking to Hughes:
"Hey! Shooter! Get me on the agenda for tommorrows little get together, with you and Fox! And feel free, not to give ole Ralphy the heads-up...ok Shooter?
Ha! Ha! Ha! Just kidding, there, Shooter!
Could your get your ole, wing-mate on at the begining of session...
...I gots lots to do...and lots of people to do...Ha! Ha! Ha!
Just kidding, there, Shooter!!!
Ha! Ha! Ha!"
See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya! Tommorrow!
Ha! Ha! Ha!
” Jim West, would garner more respect, if he just would be honest, and say:
"This is, what the people, who are paying me, want."
Exactly!
West is a paid lobbyist!
And there is nothing wrong with that!
But, his incessant and unremitting need to masquerade and pose as some sort of adjunct, quasi-governmental official, is embarrassing for him, and it just strains, whatever creditability, he is trying to marshal with the rest of us, who may not share his goals, aspirations and visions for our county!
"West is a paid lobbyist!
And there is nothing wrong with that!"
Well, there is something wrong, when the very government a lobbyist is supposed to be lobbying, is also expected to pay his salary!
That is more along the lines of ingrained, corruption, within a governmental body!
Point taken!
”Notice, Jim West can show up for his "surprise" agenda additions, but cannot show up for, planned, with notice to all, agenda additions!”
That is quite interesting!
My theory of why West demanded the rules to be bent for him, relative to getting on the agenda, was more of a test for Jeff Hughes.
To see, just what kind of “good soldier” Jeff is for the DCEDI.
I think, West knew, that Thompson, and “finger in the wind,” Fox, would not let this fly!
West was “Tojo.”
Hughes was the “ Kamikaze” pilot.
And the Commissioners’ Meeting was a “U.S. Aircraft Carrier.”
Hughes, did not bail, did not pull his parachute’s rip cord.
He will forever, be honored by the DCEDI…until he loses in the primaries!
Hughes has become a pathetic and pitiable apparition of the “man” he once was.
Iraq is waiting for the jealous
people that sit and do nothing
jealous people all of you try
going and fighting for your country
do something positive.
Go fight in Irack.
What?
I served my country!
Did Fehrman, Maxwell, Dennerline, Benning, West, Lehner, Hughes, Fox, Hankins, etc!
Further, it is not jealousy we feel towards these grifters, it is contempt!
Do you feel jealous towards one who steals from you?
Of course, not?
Iraq is waiting for the jealous
people that sit and do nothing
I hope you are deliberately trying to appear obtuse!
If not...back to your 12 step program!
"Iraq is waiting for the jealous
people that sit and do nothing"
Goodness, it would appear that the realtor/developer class, has positively and utterly cracked under all the public scrutiny directed their way!
I knew, when it finally happened, it would not be pretty.
But “Geezz-Louise!
Go fight in Irack.
Yeah!
That’s right!
Our soldiers are fighting and dying in Iraq, to defend the freedoms of our local realtor/developers, to screw over the taxpayers!!!
I know, when I served my country, defending pampered, spoiled sleaze-bags, who sought to embezzle from my neighbors, was my number one priority!!!
jealous people all of you
I think you are on to something here!
I read a study, somewhere, that the most prevalent feeling a crime victim experiences, after having been mugged, was “jealousy,” followed closely by a “green with envy” feeling!
I don't know Jim West, Don't care to.
Our problem is that there are many Jim Wests out there. If he leaves, the DCEDI will find another Jim West. But We all know that.
Our only defense is to try to keep the council from funding DCEDI. It is apparent that the DCEDI members are really not into paying their own way.They want us to pay their bills. bUt we know that too.
Alan S. Freemond,Sr.
Jackson Township
How do know we did not serve our
country, we certainly did.
again I ask you go do something
stop picking on Mr. West He is doing his job, are you doing yours
”How do know we did not serve our
country, we certainly did.
again I ask you go do something
stop picking on Mr. West He is doing his job, are you doing yours”
Incoherent, as you may be, you are a “cute little feller!”
And, to answer your question, I do my job everyday…but it is growing wearisome, if not outright, exasperating, to support both my family and Jim West and his DCEDI!
At the end of the day, there is no Jim West, in my corner, to panhandle the taxpayer, to subsidize my family and business interests!
And, by the way, what branch of military service did Fehrman, serve in?
Let me guess!
Like all those big talkers, who never served...
...he claims to have been a Navy Seal?
"...stop picking on Mr. West..."
Well, then, tell your Mr. West, to stop picking our pockets!!!
"...stop picking on Mr. West..."
Would you consider it "picking on him," if we do not give West the $80,000.00 he is requesting?
It is apparent that the DCEDI members are really not into paying their own way.
One, would think, that DCEDI is some sort of charity organization...
...collecting our tax "donations" to help the local "needy" and "down on their luck," realtor, developer, banker and lawyer.
Maybe, if we all chip in to "sponsor" one of these DCEDI poor souls, the DCEDI will send us a picture of the local DCEDI professional we are sponsoring, and a modest, hand-written note, from these "cute little DCEDI tikes,” telling us how much our "donations" have changed their DCEDI lives!
For a mere $10,000.00 a month, you too, can sponsor a local DCEDI professional!
You don't want to donate in cash?
Then, just do your part for a local DCEDI professional, by hooking up to one of their many, and conveniently located, grinder pump serviced sewer lines!
God Bless You!
For a meager $15,000.00 per month, or a mere 50,000 pennies a day, these DCEDI Professionals have a chance for a real future. What can you buy for 50,000 cents a day that has true value? ...
1. A nice Beemer, and not just a lease, mind you, and
2. A nice home, far from industrial parks, strip malls and overcrowded subdivisions, and
3. Influence, money buys influence, with influence, your DCEDI Professionals do not have to wait in line to be heard by their local politicians, and
4. Lawyers! With you donations, the DCEDI Professional can afford the best of legal counsel, to protect themselves from unscrupulous citizens who will not connect up to grinder pumps and sewer lines, that subsidize the DCEDI Professionals' meager incomes, and
5. Politicians! Pennies a day, can buy your local DCEDI Professional, as many politicians needed, to effect the much needed “Stooge Quorum,” and
6. Finally, your 50,000 pennies a day, affords the local DCEDI Professional, a chance to buy a membership in the DCEDI itself, without such organization, we would not have been made aware of the “dire” plight that our local DCEDI Professionals are facing each and everyday brought about by the absolute selfishness and self-centeredness, of the local Dearborn County Tax-Payer!
So please, help out your local DCEDI Professional today.
" "...stop picking on Mr. West..."
Would you consider it "picking on him," if we do not give West the $80,000.00 he is requesting?"
Little Quizzes, such as the one above, always seems to shut down the pro-DCEDI spammers!
Never, will there be an, on point, answer or rebuttal!
Except, of course, for their occasional, intellectually bereft, "boogy man" comment.
Which speaks plenty, as to the strength of their positions!
They act like “cat-burglars,” whose answer to every question, concerning their “catty” behavior, is to bitch about the number of police and burglar alarms!
The DCEDI needs some of those “I AM THE UNION!” like bumper stickers!
On their front bumpers, one will read:
”I AM THE DCEDI!”
On the rear bumper, one will read:
”THIS BEEMER PAID FOR BY YOUR TAX DOLLARS!”
Isn't Lisa Lehner a member of the DCEDI?
You would, think, she would tell West, what she told those poor folks who could not afford to hook-up to her "clients'" sewers, when she was the shyster on board, dipwad lawyer, for the DCRSD:
"GET A LOAN!"
Or, are there, two sets of rules, Lisa?
One set for your "clients," and one set for their "VICTIMS???"
What a piece of work you have become!!!
Lawyers!
The day they graduate Law School, they should all be given a card that reads:
” WHENEVER AND WHEREVER YOU SHOW UP, THE MERE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, WILL BECOME A FULL BLOWN REALITY!!!”
Lisa.
The dollar has replaced the soul.
"GET A LOAN!""
Maybe each and every person, who is forced to hook-up to some realtor/developer’s sewers, should, as an adjunct member of DCWTHS (Dearborn County Why The Hell Sewers) should go before the Commission and Council, and each ask for $50,000.00 to fund a study as to why in the Hell are they forcing us on to a realtor/developer’s sewer?
Just a thought!
Hell, let us, just change the name of the DCRSD, to the FMDBS (Fehrman Maxwell Dennerline Benevolent Society)!
The FMDBS will see to it that all those on County Boards with conflicting interests will be treated like Kings and Queens(Brett?)!
Is it true, that Hankins, is threatening to quit the DCRSD because of all the "Conflict of Interests," running rampant on the Board?
Just kidding!
Some parents, cut the umbilical cord completely.
Jan and Bob Fehrman, had the doctors immediately reconnect Brett’s cord directly to the taxpayer!
All you people are about, is to stop everything. You offer no solutions, you offer no avenue to find a solution.
It's all about kicking everybody out of office (except Ralph Thompson of course), condeming everybody that tries to make a living . Hey by the way did you know Ralph does businness with those DCEDI members.
People are trying to make a difference in the county. People like members of council or business organizations. But you people are always are there to screw it up for them.
I can't wait for silly responses to this post, because that is all you capable of doing.
”People are trying to make a difference in the county.”
Forcing those, who are not “politically connected” into thousands upon thousands of dollars into debt, via enforced sewer hook-ups, to subsidize the “politically connected’s” subdivisions and other development, is trying to make a difference?
We are for open government, do you believe that Serial Meetings, which was the DCEDI’s way of conducting government, is trying to make a difference?
Do you think having the taxpayer pay the salary of Jim West, is trying to make a difference?
Do you think turning a blind eye to all the personal conflicts of interests on the DCRSD, is trying to make a difference?
Do you think, the secret way the DCEDI types went about to “develop” the NW Quadrant, without even including the citizens of the NW Quadrant community, is trying to make a difference?
Do you think, spitting in the eyes of all those Republican primary voters who chose Thompson over Benning, by immediately running a “stealth” Democratic candidate, is trying to make a difference?
Do you think changing the rules of conducting County Public Business (week agenda requirement), then letting the “politically connected” ignore these very same rules, is trying to make a difference?
BOTTOM LINE:
ARE YOU FOR SPENDING YOUR OWN MONEY FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT OR DO YOU REQUIRE TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZING?
I can't wait for your silly response to this post (and not one will address any of the above questions, per your usual “hit and run“ posting method), such as you are all “visionaries,” and we are all just afraid of “boogy men, ”because that is all you realtor/developer stooges are capable of doing.
"...because that is all you realtor/developer stooges are capable of doing."
Face it, if these development types, are forced to do business, on a "level playing field," they immediately do their best to "game" the system in their favors.
In their minds, the taxpayer, is just someone to be coerced, into being silent investors, in their respective development plans!
"All you people are about, is to stop everything. You offer no solutions, you offer no avenue to find a solution."
IMPACT FEES!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know, where you all pay your own ways!
Without the utlization of your government stooges to force the taxpayers to foot your bills!
"You know, where you all pay your own ways! "
No! No! No! They only want solutions where the taxpayer subsidizes their developments!!!
Where the taxpayer takes all the risks and the realtor/developers make all the profits!!!
How come, the realtor, developer, banker and lawyer types of the DCEDI, never offer any solutions where they pay their own ways, or show a willingness to open up the DCEDI to the public if the DCEDI wants public money, etc, etc, etc? They just keep asking for more advantages over the common taxpayer and citizens of this county.
I am neither a developer or realtor.
Impact Fees? Great impose them.
But I absolutely believe that even when the impact fees are imposed, you people will still be against everything. Plain and simple.
By the way there are impact fees imposed by some sewer provides in this county.
"TRYING TO MAKE DIFFERENCE!"
AS YOU CONTINUOUSLY STICK IT TO THE TAXPAYERS AND THE NEIGHBORS OF YOUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS!
PLEASE!!! GET OFF YOUR TAXPAYER FUNDED HIGH HORSE, AND OPEN UP YOUR "OWN" POCKET BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU PEOPLE, HAVE NO SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"But I absolutely believe that even when the impact fees are imposed, you people will still be against everything. Plain and simple."
There is always going to be "conflict" between "pro" and "anti" development forces.
But those "conflicts" must be fought out in the public, where the rules are followed by both sides! This cannot be done by trying to hijack the process completely, to bend it to your on will!
Now, could you please anwser some of the above quesions please?
Start off with enforced sewer hook-ups?
By the way there are impact fees imposed by some sewer provides in this county.
I believe Greendale is imposing such, and the "development friendly" VRUC is fighting them tooth and nail.
"where the rules are followed by both sides!"
Tell that to Jeff Hughes and Jim West!
"There is always going to be "conflict" between "pro" and "anti" development forces."
Exactly!!!!!
Any side, to these conflicts, who assumes they can just wish the other side away, is delusional!
The only place these conflicts can be fought out, legitimately, are by the "honest" and “open” encounters at the ballot boxes!
"by the "honest" and “open” encounters at the ballot boxes!"
Like when Thompson beat Benning, and she immediately got on the phone, with the blessing of the RINOs in the county, and encouraged DINO Linkmeyer to run?
Yeah!
These folks are willing to play by "open and honest" rules!
Like when Thompson beat Benning, and she immediately got on the phone, with the blessing of the RINOs in the county, and encouraged DINO Linkmeyer to run?
Well, hopefully, that was a weak, feeble and pathetically isolated attempt, that will not be repeated, by "powerful in their own minds only," petty and inconsequential powerbrokers, and will not be permitted or tolerated, in the future, by the party leaders!
But, time will tell!
"by the party leaders!"
Did, former County Republican Head, Pickens, make one comment, observation or statement, in opposition, as to "his" RINOs, publicly supporting the Democrat over the Republican in the last general election?
Did he later take any of “his” RINOs, publicly, to task for doing so?
”(and not one will address any of the above questions, per your usual “hit and run“ posting method)”
Sir, or madam, you are truly prescient!
Start off with enforced sewer hook-ups?
The indefensible, cannot be defended!
They can only give a “stuttering” response, to yet, another, inane, question, a question, that was not asked!
What a sad, slippery bunch!
“The only place these conflicts can be fought out, legitimately, are by the "honest" and “open” encounters at the ballot boxes!”
Apparently, you have not received the memo.
Democratically run elections, are only “valid,” to the realtor/developer community, if they “validate,” the realtor/developer community’s imaginings.
Any other outcomes, are invalid!
Democratically run elections?
Like, where the Dearborn County Republicans, artificially, split the vote, to beat, the Republican “rank and files’” choice of candidate, by running and supporting a Democrat?
Pure, To The Core, Corruption!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Is DCRSD trying a new strategy?
Buying VRUC, tying Denoma and LMH in a mass effort to force membership onto the SDRSD to get sewer capacity and control.
Who thinks these things up?
DCEDI, IDEM and/or Indy lawyers?
Where's the money coming from?
Taxpayers?
There's a manipulator under every rock.
There's also a lot of rocks.
There's a manipulator under every rock.
There's also a lot of rocks.
Thankfully, these manipulators, have proven, to be dumber than the rocks they hide beneath!
Pray, that their I.Q.s, remain constant!
"Pray, that their I.Q.s, remain constant!"
If they can introduce a few more lawyers, into their ranks, not only will their collective I.Q.s go down, put so will their E.Q.s (Ethical Quotients).
Did he later take any of “his” RINOs, publicly, to task for doing so?
I hope you brought with you, a comfortable chair, umbrella and a long novel...
...it will be a long wait for an answer!
”The indefensible, cannot be defended!”
If these development stooges, cannot even muster an, at best, abortive, defense for their actions, anonymously, on this blog...short of rigging the “next” election, how are they going to “publicly” defend their actions?
"...how are they going to “publicly” defend their actions?"
I am sure, that the "Boogy-Man," in some aspect, form or fashion, will have a prominent role, in whatever response they have!
”If they can introduce a few more lawyers, into their ranks, not only will their collective I.Q.s go down, put so will their E.Q.s (Ethical Quotients).”
Lawyers are trained to give their most “zealous” defense to those who can most “zealously” pad their purses!
”Did, former County Republican Head, Pickens, make one comment, observation or statement, in opposition, as to "his" RINOs, publicly supporting the Democrat over the Republican in the last general election?”
Let us hope, that this Morris character, who now, wears, Picken’s slippers, does not operate, in a manner, thinking, he is, somehow, below the radar!
”Like, where the Dearborn County Republicans, artificially, split the vote, to beat, the Republican “rank and files’” choice of candidate, by running and supporting a Democrat?”
It is, absolutely , chilling, to think about how craven our local politicians, and their handlers, must be, to fight so underhandedly, to retain, their stranglehold on power, in a such little Burgh, such as ours!
It is unnerving, to even imagine, how these trolls would act, if the stakes were any higher!
A little Latin, for those of us, who hung on, through out and all, the corruption in our County, but knew there was something better on the horizon:
Veni, vedi, velcro.
I came, I saw, I stuck around.
”The indefensible, cannot be defended!”
If these development stooges, cannot even muster an, at best, abortive, defense for their actions, anonymously, on this blog...short of rigging the “next” election, how are they going to “publicly” defend their actions?
My, query would be, if these folks do resolve to rig the next election, who is left for them to trust, to confide in, with their ranks, as they are, slowly disintegrating?
Thank you, Vera, Lisa, Brett, Bob, Jeff, Rick, Rodney, Jim, Mike, John, Cary,………
Sometimes, it takes the most corrupt, to bring out the finest and preeminent qualities, of those who are most incorruptible.
A call to arms, so to speak!
We couldn’t have done it without you!
Is William Shatner posting on here?
Because, there is, someone, who, like to use, lots of, commas!
Is William Shatner posting on here?
Because, there is, someone, who, like to use, lots of, commas!
And, everyone, of, those, commas, cost, the, taxpayer, not, one, single, dime,,,,,,,,,,,,
Can, you, realtors, developers, bankers, lawyers, say, the, same?
I, think, not!!!!!!!!!!!
D,i,n,n,g,l,e,b,e,r,r,y!!!!!!!
And, the, "tards," are, counting. commas!
May, they, have, the, same, skill, at, counting, votes,...losers, that, they, are!
Corruption,thy,name,is,D,C,E,D,I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
NO, PUBLIC, COMMENT, N, W, QUADRANT, STEALTH, DEMOCRAT, ENFORCED, SEWER, HOOK, UP, CONFLICT, OF, INTERESTS, ON, THE, DCRSD, PAMPERED, SPOILED, PISSANT, REALTOR, DEVELOPER, BANKER, LAWYER, THOMPSON, IS, ONLY, THE, BEGINNING, TO, YOUR, LONG, AND, DRAWN, OUT, NIGHTMARE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
AND, I, BELIEVE, THERE, ARE, COMMAS, TO, SPARE!
BUT, THE, NIGHT, IS, YOUNG!
ARE, YOU, TYPING, ON, A, KEYBOARD, PURCHASED, BY, US, TAXPAYERS?
D,I,P,W,A,D?
DID, YOU, FORCE, YOUR, NEIGHBORS, TO, HOOK, UP, TO, YOUR, INTERNET, PROVIDER, TO, LOWER, YOUR, COSTS, TO, POST, YOUR, DRIVAL?
NOT, A, UNIQUE, EXPERIENCE, FOR, YOU, WAS, IT, FRANCIS?
P,l,e,a,s,e t,a,k,e, n,o,t,e, t,h,a,t, t,h,e, r,e,a,l,t,o,r/d,e,v,e,l,o,p,e,r, p,u,k,e,s, w,i,l,l, n,o,t, a,d,d,r,e,s,s a,n,y, s,u,b,s,t,a,n,a,t,i,v,e, p,o,i,n,t,s!!!!!!!!!!!!
N,o, n,e,e,d, t,o, a,s,k, y,o,u,r,s,e,l,v,e,s, w,h,y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With, the, realtor, developers, counting, commas,
Look,, for,, two,, commas,, for,, them,,
And no commas for the rest of us!
That William Shatner post made no mention of "what side" it originated from, just a humorous observation of a few posts. Friends do make fun of friends sometimes. Stop jumping to conclusions.
I thought both the Shatner posts and all those who responded to it, were funny!
"Start off with enforced sewer hook-ups?"
Did anybody on the pro-development side ever respond to this and any other questions posed to them?
I would like to see a "spirited" defense to these questions?
"just a humorous observation"
Never bring an observation to a comma fight!!!
Now, a semi-colon fight...
...that is a whole different matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell it to Chris Mueller pot sturring person
Tell it to Chris Mueller pot sturring person
"Sturring?" Well I hear Ms. Mueller is a "sterling" human being!
Tell it to Chris Mueller pot sturring person
College grads posing as illiterates. How far they have fallen!
I am not a developer or a realtor but I thought I would try to answer some of the questions that have been posted. Plus it would be nice to get away from some of the nonsense that has been taking place the last few comments pertaining to the commas.
I believe that the sewer hook up is a State requirement. I don't believe it has anything to do with the local people. But if I am wrong I am sure someone will rudely let me know.
I don't see how all the blame for the economic studies and decisions have been placed on DCEDI. Didn't the County Commissioners and some Council members make the decision on the Viesta Study? Plus I don't think the study was going to build anything once it was completed. I thought is was going to be used as a guide for the County to help make decisions to gain more economic development which is a need for this County. The County is needing incoming taxes. The best way to bring in some taxes is by Economic Development. The NW Quad was a suggestion for possible future economic development. If certain people would have let the study be completed it might not seem like money was wasted. I thought there were other areas that were also being recommended. By the way that is the key word recommended, not developed.
On the matter of impact fees...I have seen many of the developers and others request the County to implement impact fees but no one seems to get it down. It would be nice to have impact fees because then there could be many questions answered prior to any Plan Commission meeting on a development. So I would have to say that it is not the developers fault that there are no impact fees in this County.
Now if there are any other questions that you need answered I will try my best to answer. But please remember that I am not a developer or realtor or a member of DCEDI. As I have stated before I am a resident of Dearborn County who believes we as a County need Economic Development.
TGIF
I believe that the sewer hook up is a State requirement. I don't believe it has anything to do with the local people. But if I am wrong I am sure someone will rudely (facts sting the wicked) let me know.
Please check statutory language relative to State mandates with a focus on the legal terms of art: SHALL AND MAY.
So I would have to say that it is not the developers fault that there are no impact fees in this County.
Please take note, relative to those who are “running” the county, those who are most “influenced ” or who have the “most” to be gained by playing the forces who, would, instinctively, oppose ”impact fees! That these folks, are not mere disinterested parties.” Not withstanding, those, with the most egregious, of conflicting interests, ensconced, on local boards.
But please remember that I am not a developer or realtor or a member of DCEDI.
And I am not a concerned citizen residing in this County, who fears threatened, by forces, who have absolutely no concern, for my family’s welfare, outside the particular effects that may be garnered by the advancement of such forces’ fortunes!
Please, do not , insult our, collective, intelligences!
”I believe that the sewer hook up is a State requirement.”
With no sense of priorities?
Where the politically connected are free to monopolize the process, for their own gain?
Please!!!
Your greed overwhelms you!!!
Let us not squander our few resources to subsidize a whole new group of realtor/developers…
…but, let us spend our sparse dollars to mend all the problems all the past realtor/developers have left us,, such as the ‘High Ridge!”
Why introduce any more problems!
”The County is needing incoming taxes. The best way to bring in some taxes is by Economic Development.”
By building subdivisions that will soak up more tax dollars than they produce?
By subsidizing development of the politically connected, by forcing the neighbors of such developments into tens of thousands of dollars of debt, via enforced sewer hook-ups? How many “taxes” will have to be collected to pay these poor souls back?
By offering tax abatements that make “everyone” money, except the taxpayer?
By development, that “over-taxes” existing and any “affordable” future, infrastructure, for years after the first “shovel-ready” sites are flim-flammed from their original owners?
There is development, that fits in with existing development, at a pace that is affordable and can be accomplished within the bounds of a judicial use of land without going to extreme, foolish measures, as grinder pumps and pressurized sewer lines because the greedy want to exploit every bit land, regardless of what the topography can reasonably permit.
There is such development available, that enriches the taxpayers as whole…but it will never be accomplished, because, far too many realtors/developers will not be able to make a quick and immediate “killing” from such “planned” development!
Let us not divert our attention, for one minute, what development means to most of us in this County!
What some in this County consider “development,” is merely what “develops” their individual bank accounts…neighbors, citizens and taxpayers…be damned!!!
The DCEDI, really does need to refrain from calling every, "get rich quick scheme," development!
ok ralph
ok ralph
Well, I can assure you, I am not Ralph.
And this may be a real, kick in the ass for you, I have never met Ralph in person.
I don’t even think Ralph would feel comfortable around me.
Ralph is more refined, gentile, than I could ever pretend to be.
I am just, one pissed off citizen and taxpayer.
And, I would further suggest, that Mr. or Mrs. "I AM NOT A REALTOR/DEVELOPER/DCEDI/MEMBER/TGIF WILL BE UNAVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO THE RESPONSES TO HIS OR HER LITTLE PROPAGANDA PIECE!
Now respond with something on point!!!
"Now respond with something on point!!!"
When the sun rises from the West!
And the DCEDI pimps and perps scurry off to hide behind the Ewbanks and Lehners of this County!
"The DCEDI, really does need to refrain from calling every, "get rich quick scheme," development!"
But! But! But!
That is the unadulterated genesis which defines and sustains the DCEDI!
"The DCEDI, really does need to refrain from calling every, "get rich quick scheme," development!"
If we are anti-realtor/developers stealing from our neighbors, we are, according to the DCEDI, "ANTI-EVERYTHING!!!"
You are for sure one pissed off citizen and taxpayer.
Which is why we are finding enjoyment pissing you off.
Please respond so we can upset you more.
Thank God we have someone decent to replace Mitter.
Just persist in trying to upset those who will just further vote against you while recruiting others to vote against you!
Yeah!
That is the a ticket for success!
Try responding with some "on point" responses to some of the questions posed on this blog.
Maybe, just maybe, you might win some converts.
Is your side so bereft of ideas, that you cannot debate anyone?
As to Mitter. He was neither a development toady nor flunky. Anyone not meeting that criteria, is not welcomed by the DCEDI operatives in County Government!
Thankfully, with each election, more toadies and flunkies, will find themselves out of office and commiserating with Vera in some lackey patronage position!
The DCEDI, really does need to refrain from calling every, "get rich quick scheme," development!
"Please respond so we can upset you more."
Please be sure that you are sitting right next to Jim West, if, and when, he has the courage to come before the Commissioners to defend his request for another $80,000.00 of our money.
He needs more of your brand of diplomacy!
There is no way to debate you.
You are loud and clear on your stance of no growth.
A potential item was stated to discuss imposing impact fees. Olive Brance? Hardly not. You continually look at as evil thing. You are flat out against everything. It is a constant complaining session from you
Olive branch?
You made a statement that no way connects with reality.
The political process, has not debated impact fees, because of all the "development" operatives involved in the process!
Notice, we can address your points, painfully, for you, point for point.
You cannot.
Outside your "echo chambers," you go all wobbly!
"You are flat out against everything."
We are flat out against being forced to foot your bills, in order for you all to have everything!
Without the taxpayer, being somehow involved in your various enterprises, you folks cannot seem to be able to eck out a profit!
Maybe it is time for a career change for some of you?
Pick a career path, that does not require political stooges to steal from the taxpayers to supplement your incomes!
Why don't you manifest the courage of your convictions and demand that the DCEDI self-funds and pays whatever the salary requirements of Mr. West, without constantly, coming to us, the taxpayers, to bankroll your projects?
Further, why don't you DCEDI folks, quit with the "fiction" that somehow the DCEDI and West are a legitimate branch of "our" government and call him what in fact he is?
”YOUR LOBBYIST!!!”
I haven't seen any one address anything point for point. I have tried to get some intelligent debate to find out the points of the side that is against everything but you just want to call names.
I believe I responded with some points but all that happens is more name calling.
I did not mention anything about residential subdivisions. I believe the County needs more industrial and commercial businesses to bring in more taxes. I pay taxes in this county and don't want my taxes to go up any more than you do but stop fighting everything and lets work on getting things done.
And few are against, industrial or commercial parks.
They just want them near other commercial areas.
Not leaped frogged over the entire county, simply because the realtor/developer can get a “better” deal on land that is zoned “rural!”
Further, we want real development, that truly adds to the tax base. Not development, that the tax payers have to give away the store, in order for the realtor/developer to get their profits immediately off the top. Abatements, etc.
And finally, quit demanding that the “citizen/neighbors” of your proposed development be kept in the dark about your plans.
Like it, or not, they do have a say in what takes place in their communities.
Quit treating them as mere obstacles, to be avoided via whatever political influence you can muster!
”…and lets work on getting things done.”
Let us start by de-funding, private, myopic and secretive organizations such as the DCEDI!
Vieste and the DCEDI failed, and failed miserably, relative to the NW Quadrant, for the reason that they did not involve citizen input at the beginning of the process.
Vieste and the DCEDI, thought mere political manipulation alone, would meet their “members” goals.
Sorry, but Vieste and the DCEDI reaped the same respect they sowed, relative to the welcome they received from the citizens of the NW Quadrant!
I believe I responded with some points but all that happens is more name calling.
Set aside your persecution complex, and give us a numbered or bulleted list of your points. Each will be addressed in the order given.
And, then how about you addressing each and every response? In the order given?
And remember, simply because an answer does not fit your desired paradigm, that does not constitute “name calling!”
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