Tuesday, October 16, 2007

WHAT IS TRUE SEPTIC FAILURE RATE IN INDIANA?

The following is a reprint of an editorial published last week in the Dearborn County Register by Cliff Eibeck- Logan Township

Dear Editor:

Chuck Andres has passed around a two-page article that he says is from Indianapolis. He doesn’t say who in Indy wrote it. It is titled SEPTIC SYSTEMS DO NOT WORK--PERIOD”.

I found this article to be false. The Indiana Water Resources Research Center contradicts it.

On page two they say:

“THERE ARE 800,000 RESIDENCES AND SMALL BUSINESSES IN INDIANA THAT DEPEND ON SOILWASTEWATER INFILTRATION SYSTEMS (SWIS) FOR THE TREATMENT AND DISPOSAL OF THEIR WASTEWATER. APPROXIMATELY 15,000 SWIS PERMITS ARE ISSUED EACH YEAR. THIS NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO GROW AS 50% OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IS OUTSIDE THE REACH OF CONVENTIONAL SEWERS. CURRENTLY THE INDIANA STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS STATED AS MANY AS (200,000) OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY (DUNN 2001)”,

THAT IS 25% FAILURE - NOT TOTAL FAILURES.

Clifford R Eibeck
Logan Township

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

Andres is as transparent of an individual that I have ever met!

He loves to pick and choose data that supports his "sewers are wonderful" agenda because of his interests in getting others to subsidize his sewers, but ignores all the inherent costs and environmental issues sewer treatment plants pose!

Anonymous said...

One can merely "Google" the phrase "Septic vs. Sewer" to see that fuctioning septic systems are every bit as effective as functioning sewer capabilities.

But such data doe not lend itself in forcing others, by operation of law, to pay for the sewers of a handful of politically connected realtor/developers!

In Dearborn County alone, look at the environmental damage done by poor functioning sewer treatment plants and their like!

Anonymous said...

When will Doug Baer come forward with the data showing the impact to Hogans Creek by High Ridge's sewers or the devastation wreaked and inflicted on Double Lick Creek by the VRUC?

When will Development Interests lift Doug Baer’s “gag” order?

Anonymous said...

In other news, Brett Fehrman will no longer sell homes on septic systems, John Maxwell will no longer build homes on septic systems and Ewbank and Lehner will no longer do title work for homes on septic systems.

All having the courage of their convictions as to their public positions on the environmental holocaust caused by septic systems.

Anonymous said...

Doug Baer should no longer approve septic systems for any and all realtor/developers' homes or other projects in this County!

All new homes and commercial projects must be sewered or the land must remain in its natural state!

Come on Doug!

Step up and save us all from septic systems in this county!

And those who "want" sewers should pay for them, right Doug?

No more of this socialistic B.S. where the serfs enrich the elites!

Anonymous said...

SEPTIC SYSTEMS DO NOT WORK--PERIOD.

Especially those septic systems in areas surrounding a proposed subdivision or commercial site, in need of someone else to subsidize the needed sewers for such projects!

Anonymous said...

Will Chuck Andres be out front protesting any of Brett Fehrman or John Maxwell's projects that include septic systems?

Anonymous said...

Chuck needs to send off a nasty letter to the Dearborn County Homebuilders Assoc, berating them for the building of homes that are not on sewer systems!

The "status quo" of building homes willy nilly around the county without the benefit of sewers needs to stop and stop now!

Right, Chuck?

Anonymous said...

And since the County does not have the money to sewer the entire County, let us first spend our tax dollars sewering Chuck's land and those areas that Brett and John have shown an interest in!

The Lord helps those who help themselves...and Chuck, Brett and John certainly know how to help themselves to our tax dollars!

Anonymous said...

Those already on functioning septic systems need to be forced onto pressurized sewer lines and grinder pumps that do not permit a homeowner to flush their toilets when their is an electrical outage.

But, out here in the country, we never have electrical outages, now do we?

Anonymous said...

Maybe we all need to invest in Andres' generator sales and grinder pump service?

Anonymous said...

It is so easy to nit-pick the likes of Andres, Fehrman, Maxwell, Ewbank and Lehner, but what are the rest of doing to help these folks fleece the taxpayer.

We need to get off our collective asses and find more novel ways of sticking it to this County's taxpayers to help out Andres, et al!

cc said...

The big problem is DENSITY- you can't put LOTS of houses on SEPTIC tanks in a small area.
And you can't make LOTS of money unless you can cram in LOTS of houses.

Anonymous said...

Considering the DENSITY level of those on the DCRSD's Board, their hired hands and enablers, you would think they would feel right at home dealing with other such DENSITY matters!!!

Anonymous said...

Cliff,

Any SWIS technology which has a 25% failure rate is unacceptable and a health risk to the community.
Andres' numbers are undocumented, but those you quote are quite damning. Stop polluting my county waterways and get on the sewer.

Anonymous said...

When will the County Council ever learn, that any dollar released to the DCRSD to "study" High Ridge's sewer problem, will just pay for yet another report with the recommendation that will always include more tax dollars and forced sewer hook-ups to pay for enough capacity to take on Board Member Brett Fehrman’s nearby proposed subdivisions!

Anonymous said...

Stop polluting my county waterways and get on the sewer.

Like the VRUC?

With Development Interests in charge of the Dearborn County sewer district, Hogans Creek will be nothing more than cesspool in a few years, as the Development Interests move on and leave the taxpayers to clean up their mess!

Development Interests fought so hard to remain in control of the VRUC, for the benefit of a few realtor/developers, that they let its sewer infrastructure crumble, causing millions of gallons of raw sewage to be dumped into Double Lick Creek.

With Development Interests doing everything but fixing High Ridge's sewer mess, raw sewage is still flowing into Hogans. But the DCRSD is busting its ass trying to take over other effective sewer districts to support any and all development at the taxpayer's expense!

I can't speak for MR. E, but I will stick with my "functioning" septic system!

My one house, on many acres, has virtually no affect on the environment.

Let you put 4 houses per one acre, the runoff alone from all the asphalt driveways, car washing, various chemical spills, etc, will have a lasting negative impact on the environment!

Not to mention those you force onto grinder pumps that don't work when there is an electrical outage!

Stop with your nonsense that your goals are to protect the waterways!

You are currently holding the County hostage, permitting raw sewage from High Ridge to run into our waterways, until the rest of us subsidize your sewers for your subdivisions!

Anonymous said...

Septic systems are causing so much destruction in Dearborn County, that the DCRSD is already backing away from forcing existing home and property owners onto its Board Members’ sewers and now is just trying to extort the dollars needed from these very same home and property owners to subsidize Brett and John's sewers!

And, if possible, if the opportunity ever arises where the DCRSD could get complete funding from some County or State sources to pay for its sewers, they would drop the "fiction" altogether of failing septic systems and immediately get to sewering its Board Members' subdivisions!

Anonymous said...

Doug Baer needs to do a County-Wide study of sewer treatment plant spills and their impact on the immediate environment.

How is that little E. coli situation doing in Double Lick Creek there Doug?

Maybe you and your kids or grandkids could make it a family weekend, swimming and fishing in Double Lick Creek?

Prove to all of us how Development run and controlled sewers are the answers to all our septic system nightmares!

Anonymous said...

The VRUC, as with any Development controlled Sewage system, always spinning the truth, tryed to tell us there was no harm to aquadic life in Double Lick Creek from their most resent spill.

Well then, the DNR needs to find out just what aquadic terrorist group was involved with the large fish kill in Double Lick Creek that happened shortly after the VRUC's lastest spill!

Anonymous said...

You gotta luv our local rags, where a major sewage spill does not rate front page, above the fold coverage!

Anonymous said...

The VRUC dumping yet more raw sewage into our waterways is no longer considered "news" to everyone in this County.

When the VRUC stops dumping raw sewage into our waterways, then that will be front page "news!"

Anonymous said...

When reach for comment concerning the VRUC's latest sewage spill, Doug Baer was quoted as saying:


"WELL, I'M JUST THANKFUL THAT THIS WAS NOT CAUSED BY A SEPTIC TANK DRIBBLE FROM A SLIGHT WET SPOT IN SOME PERSON'S YARD...THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY DEVESTATING FOR THE ECO-SYSTEM OF DOUBLE LICK CREEK! AND IF I MAY COMMENT FURTHER, PLEASE VOTE FOR BRETT FEHRMAN FOR THE AT LARGE SEAT ON THE AURORA CITY COUNCIL!!!"

Anonymous said...

Apparently, VRUC's crumbling sewer infrastructure had plenty of room and capacity for the Red Pines development!

Go figure!

Anonymous said...

The VRUC, as with any Development controlled Sewage system, always spinning the truth, tryed to tell us there was no harm to aquadic life in Double Lick Creek from their most resent spill.

I think the VRUC was just speaking from the position that they thought all their many previous sewage spills had already killed off all aquadic life in Double Lick Creek, therefore, leaving nothing left to kill!

Anonymous said...

"Stop polluting my county waterways and get on the sewer."

All construction of new homes and commercial enterprises, on septic systems in this County, needs to stop forthwith?

Is that what you are saying?

So you are one of them “Do-Nothings” and “Anti-Everythings” if “growth” is not connected to a working sewer system?

Why don’t you put your thoughts down on paper as a letter to the editor?

I would love to see your logical gymnastics in black and white!

Anonymous said...

How may Fehrman “For Sale” signs are presently in the front yards of homes serviced by septic systems?

You would think the Fehrmans would not want to “sully” and “befoul” themselves with such awful homes that pump so much fetid and putrid effluent into our waterways!

Anonymous said...

The Fehrmans propose sewers for only the "worst" offending areas with failing septic systems in the County.

To draw attention to such septic failure "hot-spots," the Fehrmans buy land right in the middle of such "hot-spots" to draw the needed public attention to these areas and to shame our public officials into finally doing something to remedy this public health crisis!

jb said...

"AND IF I MAY COMMENT FURTHER, PLEASE VOTE FOR BRETT FEHRMAN FOR THE AT LARGE SEAT ON THE AURORA CITY COUNCIL!!!"

And WHY would Brett Fehrman want to be elected to Aurora City Council?
WHY indeed....

Anonymous said...

"And WHY would Brett Fehrman want to be elected to Aurora City Council?
WHY indeed...."



I'm sure it has nothing to do with forcing others to subsidize Brett's sewers needed for his subdivision and his chance of a lifetime to make something of himself apart from his parents' charity!

I'm sure it has much more to do with Brett wanting to impart his special spin to the Aurora Firecracker Festival!

Anonymous said...

Well, I think we all would be proud of our kids if they were able to parlay their political connections into coercing other, less powerful folks, to ease our kids way to the top!

Right?

Anonymous said...

I know I would be "gushing" with pride if my kid was able to force my neighbors' kids to finance the "Family's" business and fortunes!!!

Thanksgiving would have a whole new meaning for me!!!

Now that the reluctant "giving" of my neighbors has made "our" Thanksgiving so much sweeter!!!

It would make me want to hold my grandchildren that much closer, hoping they would too some day, coerce others to sponsor equally happy Thanksgivings!!!

Anonymous said...

Happy...happy...happy times, can be had, by the larceny of praying upon the happiness and good fortunes of others!

Those related to and will profit from the inner workings of the DCRSD, are on their way to a new form of happiness!

May God be most merciful and gracious to these revelers in their new found contrived happiness!

Anonymous said...

There is probably 3 to 6 individuals that post on this blog and I still do not understand what you are so upset about and to have such passion to be goofy.

And what is amazing is you will respond with more crap.

Anonymous said...

and I still do not understand what you are so upset about

How about we try to empty your bank accounts to finance your business interests?

Would that wake up the little feller inside you?

Now, tell us again that you are not trying to profit on our backs, you are just doing what the State mandates!

Anonymous said...

It is good to see the dirt blog still at work go get um if they don't do your willing.
Hay Cliff and Chris and etal

Anonymous said...

It is good to see the dirt blog still at work go get um if they don't do your willing.


No.

How about "YOU" go to "YOUR" individual loan officers and put in an application to pay for "ALL" of "YOUR" expenses for "ALL" of "YOUR" development needs...with out factoring into "YOUR" loan needs what "YOU" can steal from the rest of "US?"

Maybe "YOU" can get a low interest loan to afford "YOUR" development plans!

If not, maybe "YOU" need to look into another vocation!

Anonymous said...

Hay Cliff and Chris and etal

Apparently, Cliff and Chris and all their related "etalities" voted Vera out of office, slowed down the DCRSD taxpayer theft and have royally pissed you off.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

And a hay and a straw bale right back at you!

And since you are obviously a “big” eater…let us make that hay bale a round one!

Anonymous said...

don't do your willing.

This "little" blog is giving you a headache and related cramps?

If I were you, I would get together with all your RINO friends and run the biggest suck-ass Development Democrat to teach these non-criminal Republicans a lesson!

Show them that crime does indeed pay!

Anonymous said...

"There is probably 3 to 6 individuals that post on this blog..."

Well then, why bother even posting here if this silly blog has no effect on County policy or such related debates?

Make a statement as to this blog's insignificance and never post here again!

Laugh at all of us on election night!

Anonymous said...

Apparently, VRUC's crumbling sewer infrastructure had plenty of room and capacity for the Red Pines development!

Go figure!


Why, that sounds almost criminal to imply to the Planning Commission that the VRUC had the capacity for Red Pines when it clearly did not!!!!!!

I'm sure those involved in such sleazy doings were harshly punished, right?

Anonymous said...

Apparently, Clif and Chris and all their related "etalities" voted Vera out of office...

What a strange coincidence. It looked like Cliff and Chris and all their related "etalieies" origionally voted Vera into office!
Talk about fickle!!
Just goes to show you, do the bidding of the "do nothing" masters or they will throw you under the bus
Look out Ralph, they may be comming for you, if you fall out of lock step!

Anonymous said...

"What a strange coincidence. It looked like Cliff and Chris and all their related "etalieies" origionally voted Vera into office!
Talk about fickle!!


Talk about fickle!! Vera loses the Republican Primary election and immediately endorses a Democrat to run against her victor.

Fickle, petty, mean, malicious, spiteful and odious!

Vera was doing her best to give our County away to her Development Masters, but “all” of those who voted her out of office are “fickle!”

Delusion and illusion is finally taking its toll on poor conceited power mad Vera!

Anonymous said...

If Vera had her way, the taxpayer would be forced at gun point to shower a few of her realtor/developer buddies with our tax dollars!

Anonymous said...

Has Vera made one public comment as to the inherent unfairness of "forcing" people onto the sewers of her friends to subsidize their failing businesses?

Of course not!

Her allegiance will always go where there is few dollars and false flattery thrown her way by this County's self-appointed, self-anointed Movers and Shakers!

Anonymous said...

Point well taken, I guess Cliff and Chris are now considered the self-apppointed Movers and Shakers. Finally the truth begins to see the light of day!

Anonymous said...

Point well taken, I guess Cliff and Chris are now considered the self-apppointed Movers and Shakers. Finally the truth begins to see the light of day!

Yeah, Cliff and Chris work matters out in public in their attempt to change public policy!

Where as you all did everything behind closed doors, even conspiring against your own Repubican Primary voters to run a Development Democrat to continue your pilfering of the taxpayer to subsidize your personal financial needs!

The only thing you folks wanted that was "public" was "public money" with little or no imput from the "public" whose money it was!

You all did your best to keep your "politicians" dumb and mum as to your running this County behind the scenes!

Anonymous said...

"You all did your best to keep your "politicians" dumb and mum as to your running this County behind the scenes!"

Like when Lehner "spoon fed" her dim-witted and obtuse Commissioners everything they needed to initiate and instigate her DCRSD and all the dollars that she soon hoped would be flowing her way from the title work all these subdivisions of new homes would need and the taxpayer paid legal fees for putting the DCRSD together in the first place?

cc said...

"Apparently, Clif and Chris and all their related "etalities" voted Vera out of office...

What a strange coincidence. It looked like Cliff and Chris and all their related "etalieies" origionally voted Vera into office!
Talk about fickle!! "

How would you know how they voted? I thought ballots were secret...

Anonymous said...

"How would you know how they voted? I thought ballots were secret..."

Some people voted for Hitler because they thought he was just a harmless populist and patriot of the Fatherland!

Those that later turned on Hitler , after coming to the realization he was a murderous crank and dictator, were, I guess, fickle?

Anonymous said...

Fickle?

Vera needed to go 2elections before she WENT.

It takes a long time to oust the "manipulated" politicians.
Just look at the lawyers support for and against the candidates, that gives a voter direction of how to vote. The lawyers only support their "slaves".

Anonymous said...

"Just look at the lawyers support for and against the candidates, that gives a voter direction of how to vote."

Ewbank and Lehner seem to like their candidates uneducated, in need of the money the Commissioners' gig pays and real hungry for more money and/or attention!

Anonymous said...

Did Vera berate and label those who voted for her over Craig Beckley, a little odd but an honest guy, as "fickle?"

No!

And this putative Republican Vera seems absolutely blind to the "fickleness" of her very own actions in supporting the Democrat after she lost to Republican Thompson!

Which was both fickle and extremely mean spirited!

Regardless if she was just following the marching orders of yet another supposed and financially theoretical Republican and/or any other Party with the appropriate number of hacks to further the fortunes of Ewbank and Company!

Vera, as groomed and primed by her Masters, is the epitome and the personification of the characteristic sociopath who believes she is at the center of the universe!

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